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Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 63278 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 67.191.221.7 Rating: N/A |
Yee thread lo participate cheyyalante min oka post ki 1000 words raayalannamaata | ||
Jai_ycp Side Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 8212 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 173.73.238.123 Rating: N/A |
Any amnesty shown to illegals is call for 11 million more into USA. Dems including Hillary are for this as we learnt from her speeches. People forget that an amnesty is given in 1986 but why there was again 11 million? To stop this mess, first illegal immigration should be made criminal offense. Any support direct or indirect will lead to punishment or indelible for public service cheyyali. Fine or punished people who hire illegals knowing or unknowingly. Checking citizenship before you provide and/or receive service is mandatory cheyyali Every illegal you point out should get tax credit of 500 dollars. the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ http://goo.gl/gn6XL5 the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6717 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
I agree with the enforcement part he is going aggressive - he is fulfilling his election promises. 2 yrs lo malla elections and he has to make sure the legislative arm is secure. He can do that by moving on his promises, Mid april loga contracts for Wall ki aiming anta and he will try to clean up the immigration stuff. Hearing news that there is some sort of alternative to AHA in the works taking shape may be out soon. So he is going by his agenda. Some may like it lot of others may not. 11 million ni mottam pampinchaka poyina does not matter 2 mill criminals ni lepali alage overstaying vallani lepali it will account for atleast 3-4 million and then enforce the law totally. Total ga work place lo, border lo mottam tight no more illegal immigration. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6716 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
BTW I like interaction and getting other points of view if the discussion is based on exchange. so please do post your views and questions. My explanation may be flawed or I might not know all the issues and I will learn in the process In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6715 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
technical point meeda flawed - everybody has a right to due process so POE lo they should not have been denied entry rather immigration judge ni petti denied ante sari poyedi. That is the issue. Denying at POE without due process - the order signed by the president itself is correct he has the authority to issue such law. Legislative and Judiciary are two branches of govt which are checks and balances in the system. The problem in this case is that the case should not even have gone to a federal judge - why? Federal judge jurisdiction is only for one state - in this case the suit was filed by more than one state so it comes under supreme court judge's jurisdiction. So he should have simply referred this to a higher court. Inkoka issue entante a Federal Judge does not have jurisdiction over any actions of a President - so in this case the Judge had no locus standi to even judge the case or the order of the president. Inka meeku details kavalante sections tho saha istanu - btw I am interested in this case because I am graduating in Law as well so its a good research material for me In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Rocketk2 Side Hero Username: Rocketk2 Post Number: 3900 Registered: 03-2014 Posted From: 107.77.70.29 Rating: N/A |
that is reasonable .. so appativaruku vaalu emi cheyyali.. judge can't decide 11million undocumented in day or a month ?? I am actually agreeing with you ' andhariki blanket ante no way ' ye vishayam lo Ayina legalization and deportation!! Btw, I am pretty sure you were involved in political process for a while. I get you passion for enforcing law. But don't you see what is happening .. right now trump administration is trying to make up numbers. They are attacking the easy target without following due process . They are not even sticking to their 'violent ' criminals and drug dealers take priority .. that is where it is getting very frustrating.. one of the few things I supported obama is his 'felons not families' criminals not children' approach . He has been pretty strong on illegal immigration .. Trump wants a big number to advertise his first 100 days. That is why he is heading this direction of deportation and travel ban without due process.. | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6714 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
twisting meeru chestunnaru - president has enacted a executive order which was his right - rejected by a judge which was his interpretation of the law which is his right. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Pete_sampras Hero Username: Pete_sampras Post Number: 13722 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 103.232.128.14 Rating: N/A |
One last question before I get the hell out of your thread, you said judge is wrong, you said GC holders have rights so judge had to overturn the ban...so ikkada judge wrong aa right aa?? | ||
Pete_sampras Hero Username: Pete_sampras Post Number: 13721 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 103.232.128.14 Rating: N/A |
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Andhravodu Side Hero Username: Andhravodu Post Number: 6515 Registered: 07-2015 Posted From: 69.62.241.11 Rating: N/A |
vadiki votes vesindi, and the issues he campaigned were illegal immigration. He's doing his campaign promise bigger problems ante economic inequality, wage growth, labor participation are all intertwined with immigration | ||
Pete_sampras Hero Username: Pete_sampras Post Number: 13719 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 103.232.128.14 Rating: N/A |
Awesome...if president can do what ever he wants...then he doesn't have to abide to any law, you are stating pretty similar to what stephen miller said couple of weeks back, enjoy your thread | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6713 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
simple Media did not make it an issue because previous administration did it silently itanu cheppi chestunnadu In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6712 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
I think there is no disrespect in what he said - the so called judge has gone against the law ani clear ga cheppadu. President has the right to be critical of other branches of Federal government as do the other branches. I do not see any disrespect there In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Pete_sampras Hero Username: Pete_sampras Post Number: 13718 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 103.232.128.14 Rating: N/A |
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Pete_sampras Hero Username: Pete_sampras Post Number: 13717 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 103.232.128.14 Rating: N/A |
Oka clearly this is a pivot...let me ask you a different question, illegals under obama have reduced also illegals have less crime rate compared to legals...why is Trump making a fuss now when there are bigger problems?? | ||
Pete_sampras Hero Username: Pete_sampras Post Number: 13716 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 103.232.128.14 Rating: N/A |
He called a judge so called judge....what respect is a president giving to an judge?? Fidelity to Law ani thread open chesavu, neeku idi correct anipistunda?? | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6711 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
The judge is not on strong legal grounding anedi chaala constitutional experts opinion. Its a different fact that instead of getting in to a piss fight with the judge DTJ is going to change the original rule and make it stronger from being restricted in other courts. Basic issue is GC's are permanent residents and they have rights - denying them entry based on the reason shown is denying them due process. That is the issue on which the ban was overturned. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Andhravodu Side Hero Username: Andhravodu Post Number: 6514 Registered: 07-2015 Posted From: 69.62.241.11 Rating: N/A |
illegals did not start coming after president insulted judiciary, nor they're going to leave if president respects judiciary | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6710 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
Court of Law lo judge ni tidite president or evaraina contempt kinda lopala vestaru. In this the president can very well invoke the same freedom of expression right that every body does. See you in court does not mean disrespect to law by any standards I am not sure where you are coming from at this. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6709 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
Good points Laws change .. rules change .. evaluate the need for change... --> This means amendment is needed, not interpretation. Evadiki kavalsinattu vadu interpret cheyatam kadu - It is the discretion of the judge in deciding the case that is the provision in the law. So if the judge decides you have to go to prison you have to go, you cannot argue over that. Adey meeru matladina leniency. Ala ani court lo velli fine pay chestanu nuvvu wrong interpret chestunnavu ani judge ni eduristama? Brother amendment poorthi ga chadivi artham chesukondi before you comment on that. Each section in that amendment provides the process to be followed in different situations. Nowhere it says that the outcome has to be in a certain way and can be guaranteed or demanded. Why deportation is the only solution antey em cheppali? Open borders petteddamu no border no issue kada. Its not a free for all country. Enforcement cheyatam ledu ante correct point - even in cases where for example Drivers License - Why should an illegal be granted a DL? - the very basis of their case is on shaky legal ground and in the name of due process we grant them DL. Ilanti loop holes undatam valla people of slipping out. Voter Identity ki konni norms pedite disenfranchisement ani gola chestaru. Due process ki limits undali - illegal ki vere option ivvaka pote the tide will stem.
I have never said be lenient in some and strict in other - follow the law in all cases. If the judge decides you have to pay the penalty for it by being deported so be it , if they decide you get a path so be it. Antey kani andariki blanket ante no way. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Pete_sampras Hero Username: Pete_sampras Post Number: 13715 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 103.232.128.14 Rating: N/A |
Issues vere ayina context okkate kada...if the president of a nation has no respect for judiciary system then how do you expect others to have it?? | ||
Andhravodu Side Hero Username: Andhravodu Post Number: 6512 Registered: 07-2015 Posted From: 69.62.241.11 Rating: N/A |
they are separate issues. trump ni tidite it's not solution to illegals | ||
Pete_sampras Hero Username: Pete_sampras Post Number: 13714 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 103.232.128.14 Rating: N/A |
Why didn't you post this thread when mr trump called a Judge "So called Judge", said "See you in court" and showed utter disrespect to the 'Fidelity to Law' | ||
Amigo Side Hero Username: Amigo Post Number: 4081 Registered: 05-2011 Posted From: 68.198.21.218 Rating: N/A |
Kaani ma disaster gadu judge n thidathadu | ||
Rocketk2 Side Hero Username: Rocketk2 Post Number: 3898 Registered: 03-2014 Posted From: 107.77.70.29 Rating: N/A |
and the problem is we can only imagine.. I think which ever way we start we will end in democracy ..to me it seems natural progression .. if crusade went other way... something else would have happened... that led to something else what if's ki answer vundadhu .. think butterfly effect !! | ||
Rocketk2 Side Hero Username: Rocketk2 Post Number: 3897 Registered: 03-2014 Posted From: 107.77.70.29 Rating: N/A |
there are so many things ..first clarity I am not calling names.. I am only saying there are several dimensions that need to be looked at!! Why leniency ?? Law ki range vundhi.. law lo punishment ki range vundhi. Ivanni nenu cheppinavi kaadhu.. Indhaka previous example lo , speeding ki 50dollads fine nunchi 6months imprisonment varaku punishment Ivachu.. Why is everyone not getting 6months imprisonment.. why courts provide leniency ??? Because they apply common sense basis.. All the laws you listed were your interpretations. For ex: fourteenth amendment create chesindhi civil rights to AA and slaves context lo but not limited to them ..generally law amendment has broader context . Why is deportation only solution .. intha passion vunna Vallu.. why are they not talking about enforcing non-employment without documents.. are you ok with a task force rounding up and arresting every employer who hired without papers?! Why is this not even discussed There was time when iimmigration was not a problem. These people came and made up their lives. How can the rug be pulled away in the name of law.. Now!! There are different ways to handle the problem. Humanity basis and command sense basis need to be there just like with any other case.. Laws change .. rules change .. evaluate the need for change... Meeru cheppedantlo issue is you are asking law should be strict in some cases and lenient in some cases . why?? | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6708 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
anduke cheppa the example given is like trivializing the issue. Rendu equal ela avutayi? Law aspect lo due process undi - you get caught you get punished. If that is taken as an example - illegal immigrant gets caught deal with the consequence which is deportation. Ante kani 10 yrs nundi unnanu I have right to stay here antey etla? In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Andhravodu Side Hero Username: Andhravodu Post Number: 6510 Registered: 07-2015 Posted From: 69.62.241.11 Rating: N/A |
ante meeru cheppedi, nannu pattukunte judge daggariki pota, vadu cheppindi jarigiddi ani akkada illegals kooda alane anukunnaru, so you're in this pickle  | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6707 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
Aptly put if they were not stopped in constantinople then the world as we know today would be totally different. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Andhravodu Side Hero Username: Andhravodu Post Number: 6509 Registered: 07-2015 Posted From: 69.62.241.11 Rating: N/A |
imagine if the crusades went the other way. would there be a parliamentary system, democracy in the first place? The closest example I can think of are Maldives and banda aceh. they're democracies, but I don't believe it | ||
Rocketk2 Side Hero Username: Rocketk2 Post Number: 3896 Registered: 03-2014 Posted From: 107.77.70.29 Rating: N/A |
law is always law.. underlying principles are different...democracy na, aristocracy na, dictatorship aa etc.. By default , I assumed original post was about democracy .. if sharia is implemented as democracy than what OH is correct .. it has to be followed of course interpretations and lineancies will have to be accomadated Aristocracy and dictatorship gurinchi matladaedhi emi ledhu!! moral.. legal .. ani differentiate chesthe I thought you were heading toward something interesting... ila end chesaventi brother  | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6706 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
Law follow avvali annanu, if you go over the speed limit and you got pulled over you deal with the consequence. You are trivializing the important issue of illegal immigration with a simple example like this. Leniency enti law lo ? You make a mistake you deal with the consequence. Leniency ivvala leda anedi judge paina untundi? dont demand leniency. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6705 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
Law : Country has borders and anybody entering them without the right papers are committing an unlawful activity which is punishable by law with due process. Law: If a person who came on temporary papers and overstays, then they have no right to remain in this country and there is no due process they can be deported straight away. Law: People born in the United States have the right by birth to be called as citizens. History: was enacted after the civil was as 14th amendment to grant rights to slaves and children born to slaves Grey Area: Being used for children of people who are here illegally. Consequence: People trying to get in illegally and give birth to anchor babies thereby claiming to have a legal right to stay here. What do we do? Just because they are here for 10 yrs or more we give them a pardon and make them legal? how many times we have to repeat this cycle - every 4 years or 8 years where is the end? If we see this as a compassionate issue we will have to repeat this amnesty every few years because there is no stopping this. Why should there be any leniency to people who broke the law in the first case by either coming here illegally or overstaying and becoming illegal. Does living here for a long time qualify as a justification to make them legal? Oh they are just here to make a better life or living conditions in their country is not good is not an argument. If we consider that as a condition then almost 3/4 of the world people will either be in US or Canada or Some European country. If countries/governments start following their rules and prevent this from happening they are called racist. People who talk about implementing the rules of their nation are called bigots and delusional. What is wrong with this position? Is he going our and persecuting jews like Hitler did? Is it wrong as a leader of the nation to look out for his country men and women before others which is his primary duty? Then why this hue and cry? You may call me names - a Trump supporter or whatever but the questions I am asking are commonsense as you put it. Due process in law does not mean that its a favourable outcome. unfortunately the due process has been so much streched out in these cases is that many people slip through - how do you think so man millions or people are still undocumented otherwise of working with fake documents? In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Andhravodu Side Hero Username: Andhravodu Post Number: 6508 Registered: 07-2015 Posted From: 69.62.241.11 Rating: N/A |
hey, bernie russia fan, bamma sharia fan | ||
Andhravodu Side Hero Username: Andhravodu Post Number: 6506 Registered: 07-2015 Posted From: 69.62.241.11 Rating: N/A |
emiti saar idi human mind yearns to be free, law of the land has to be followed ante bahut kasht meeru eppudu bandi speed limit kanna ekkuva vellaleda? even 1 mile above aite self report chesi fine kattandi, oka 4 attempts tarvata license suspend cheskondi there is a certain amount of leninence allowed. mana ki comfort unte teliyadu, but we receive that lenience everyday | ||
Asdf Megastar Username: Asdf Post Number: 26638 Registered: 12-2014 Posted From: 76.109.163.196 Rating: N/A |
bernie fans ki ardham avvali ane kadoo. silipi boy | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6704 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.164.33 Rating: N/A |
Meeru cheppina point valid I am not disagreeing with it. All I am saying is the Law of the Land ( no matter which law) has to be followed. Its up to interpretation of people whether its barbaric or medieval or progressive. Sharia anedi full fledged law ga start ayindi mohd poyina 100+ years taruvata, the Quran we see today was heaviliy doctored and influenced by policital and social conditions of the arabian peninsula after Mohd was gone anedi is a topic that is a rage in theorosphical societies as that is the same case with the bible also. Church has ceased to be a purely religious center and became a means of progressing political agenda and religious beliefs has been established as a fact right from the early days of christianity. Topic of this thread is to see how the laws of the land need to be enforced with the right interpretation. Be it India or USA illegal immigration and the social and financial cost due to it is huge. Whether we like it or not thats the reality. Should we go back to borderless countries and leave it free for all where might is right and see new empires being carved out or stay the course and impose the laws of countries which keep them together. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Rocketk2 Side Hero Username: Rocketk2 Post Number: 3895 Registered: 03-2014 Posted From: 107.77.70.29 Rating: N/A |
compassion is not.. common sense is... and that is what drives changes to law as amendments to accomadate chages with time. not sure what this video was supposed to be telling. It looked random gathering of news. I watched for about 15 mins.. Going back to you original post.. you kinda hung it dry.. there should be follow up questions .. this is the main problem people make incorrect conclusions.. Fidelity to law makes a county .. agree or not.. totally agree!! What happens when two parts of law contradicts with each other.. should we take interpretation that satisfies our agenda or should we let judiciary Wing define it for us. When should happen when a law is broken..is there any leniency??.. is there one punishment ??. is there different levels of punishment?? . How are they defined . Who gets what?? Several other questions pop up.. why is trump going in public and saying he will deport only 'violent' criminals among undocumented immigrants !! But in private he is leaving it to ICE officials and several ambiguities. This will lead to human rights issues which we started seeing and will see!! | ||
Andhravodu Side Hero Username: Andhravodu Post Number: 6505 Registered: 07-2015 Posted From: 69.62.241.11 Rating: N/A |
Hey, how did I know the thread was going on this direction sharia law ni example techindi, blind ga follow aite world lo migata vallu ela laughing chestaru ani choopinchataniki  | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6703 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.160.106 Rating: N/A |
Sharia law istham unna vallu adi follow avutaru valla country lo we dont have to talk about it. Laws are based on just moral code in all countries , if compassion is the yardstick we have to apply laws then we dilute them at all points and then there is no law. A look at things on the illegal immigration front. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32GQUtS3-30 In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6702 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.160.106 Rating: N/A |
Context is Law of the land - Take for example Law in The US of A, or Law in the Indian Republilc or the Law in any land. The context here is : Immigration In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Asdf Megastar Username: Asdf Post Number: 26634 Registered: 12-2014 Posted From: 76.109.163.196 Rating: N/A |
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Andhravodu Side Hero Username: Andhravodu Post Number: 6503 Registered: 07-2015 Posted From: 69.62.241.11 Rating: N/A |
law venaka reasoning sarigga undali, and it should allow for changes. lekapote, 1000 years back jarigina vati reasoning idi, ippudu kooda ade vadali ante kashtam avutundi. like electoral college  | ||
Asdf Megastar Username: Asdf Post Number: 26631 Registered: 12-2014 Posted From: 76.109.163.196 Rating: N/A |
telgoo lo seppand | ||
Andhravodu Side Hero Username: Andhravodu Post Number: 6502 Registered: 07-2015 Posted From: 69.62.241.11 Rating: N/A |
ila choosukunte sharia law kooda cover chesuddi btw Law follow avali, but the moral code behind the law should be based on compassion | ||
Rocketk2 Side Hero Username: Rocketk2 Post Number: 3894 Registered: 03-2014 Posted From: 107.77.70.29 Rating: N/A |
Without a doubt!! | ||
Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 63274 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 67.191.221.7 Rating: N/A |
put it in a context babai | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6701 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.160.106 Rating: N/A |
- What is vague ? Simple question - A Law is to be followed in all cases by everybody and if its not they are punishable - with due process. Do you agree with this or not? In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Jai_ycp Side Hero Username: Jai_ycp Post Number: 8211 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 173.73.238.123 Rating: N/A |
Yes. the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ http://goo.gl/gn6XL5 the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu | ||
Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 63272 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 67.191.221.7 Rating: N/A |
Depending on the interpretation... vague gaa vundi evadi istam vachinatlu vaadu anvayinchu kune vidham gaa vunte okadi interpretation ni prasninchaali ... amen | ||
Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 6700 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 68.128.160.106 Rating: N/A |
Would you agree or no? In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |