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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 06:58 pm:       

FYI .. Creditkarma is doing taxes for free this year ..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 02:59 pm:       


Jodhaa:




Yes, you can transfer 401k account to the new company..
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 02:58 pm:       


Jodhaa:

QQ..lets say if i open 401K account with oka finacial company..down the lane if i change my employer and valladhi 401K untey..can i club them both?




what is this question sis?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 02:53 pm:       


Jodhaa:

QQ..lets say if i open 401K account with oka finacial company..down the lane if i change my employer and valladhi 401K untey..can i club them both?




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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 02:47 pm:       

QQ..lets say if i open 401K account with oka finacial company..down the lane if i change my employer and valladhi 401K untey..can i club them both?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 02:31 pm:       


Xxx:

there are income limits for this


186k magi, after standard deduction, and 401k contributions reduce the income

36k 401k Contributions + standard deduction 15.6k + 186k = 237k income. possible for joint filers

singles ayite I think magi is 112k. 112+7.8+18 ~ 137k idi kooda possible
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 12:23 pm:       


Andhravodu:

Yes, you can have both




there are income limits for this .. rich db will not qualify for both , mango will qualify for regular 401k and roth ira to some extent ,
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 12:11 pm:       


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Yes, you can have both

https://www.betterment.com/resources/retirement/401ks-and-ir as/can-you-have-a-401k-and-an-ira/

restrictions section lo undi. news to me is that not only Roth IRA, traditional IRA kooda pettochu

"The 2017 contribution limit for a 401(k) is $18,000; $24,000 if you're 50 and over.

Then you can also deposit up to $5,500 in a Roth or traditional IRA for 2017 ($6,500 if you're 50 and up). That’s the combined limit for both types of IRAs, by the way. You can't put, say, $5,500 each into an IRA and a Roth IRA. "
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 12:01 pm:       


Andhravodu:

I think you can put 18k in 401k + 5.5k in Roth IRA per person if MAGI is less than 184 for joint income filing



are you sure? i read it sometime back that max allowed under regular 401(k) plus any traditional/roth is 18K only. you can divide money under whatever fashion but max can be this only. I used to have doubt how would they know or is it you can claim deduction of 18K only in taxes?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 11:35 am:       

so 60 yrs vachey daka. locked, then 10% fee to we get our money back or we will just avoid 10% fee, but pay taxes regardless
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 11:33 am:       

Tax benefits
A Rollover IRA is a type of Traditional IRA with the same potential tax-deferred growth of savings.
Withdrawals
10% early withdrawal penalty may apply for withdrawals taken prior to age 59½ if no exceptions apply.
Penalty-free withdrawals for qualifying first-time home purchase and certain college expenses
Minimum required distributions (MRDs) starting at age 70½
Contributions
Continue saving for retirement on a tax-deferred basis.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 11:30 am:       


Jai_ycp:

IRA + 401K kalipi 2016 ki 18K anukunta


I think you can put 18k in 401k + 5.5k in Roth IRA per person if MAGI is less than 184 for joint income filing
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:57 am:       


Idiot1:

nflation adjust chesthe 40 ki 200k 60 ki saripodemo



But your 200K can keep growing till 60 assumign you dotn take it out. So you continue minimal contributions say 100 per paycheck so another 48K+48K. its a diversification plan. you could invest them somewhere else. basically you have
real estate (residential & commercial)
stocks, mutual funds, etfs
businesses
retirement accounts
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:54 am:       


Humpty_dumpty:

employer contribution is vested immediately ( I think based on no. of years being with company or something)


yes5 years ala untundi.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:52 am:       


Humpty_dumpty:


don't forget to keep an eye on any potential bonuses. Adjust your contribution accordingly.
Ento IRS vaalla rules, confusing.
401k ki employer contribution does not count to limit
But HSA ki employer contribution counts towards the limit
For low income ppl, (career beginning), Roth 401k is also an option.
01/06/2012 - 169.4; 8/1/2013 - 182; 9/23/2016 - 185.8
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:33 am:       


Jai_ycp:


inflation adjust chesthe 40 ki 200k 60 ki saripodemo
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:32 am:       

ycp , gotcha

employer contribution is vested immediately ( I think based on no. of years being with company or something)
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:29 am:       

one other approach is dont put more than 100K in total in 401K. either you cant take more than 50K loan. also if you already have 100K on your name and 100k on your spouse by the time you are 40, that fund will keep growing to provide stable retirement by the time you are 60. In the meantime, you can invest on other options.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:27 am:       


Humpty_dumpty:



end of th day make share your contribution is 18K. also check your company vested rules.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:25 am:       

IRA + 401K kalipi 2016 ki 18K anukunta.

For SEP IRA and Individual 401K(self 401K0, there is higher limit but its complicated.

Lets says you work as independent contractor earned 100K, self 401K or Spe IRA typically is 20% for self owned or 25% for corporations.

but its not 25% on 100K. it is only income. so if you put expenses and show income as only 70K. it will be only 14K.

so please be aware of this.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:20 am:       


Humpty_dumpty:

My contribution needs to be 12%


no 18% kada undali, I don't think employer contributuion counts towards ur 18k. some employers contribute around 25% for 401k ante 100k ayite 25k valu estaru apart from contributing 6% of your contribution dollar or 50 cents
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:15 am:       


Rasputin:




Thanks :-)
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 10:00 am:       

xxx, TI

thanks
will change my contribution %
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 09:02 am:       

https://www.thebalance.com/what-age-can-funds-be-withdrawn-f rom-401k-2388807

I guess the age is 59 1/2 to avoid penalty and 70 1/2 for mandatory withdrawl
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 09:00 am:       


Ntr_rocks:

Alage IRA money ela tesukovali or ela use cheyalo cheppu




Invest in stock or mutual funds as u like.

Nee tax bracket ni batti soosukoo 6K incoem thaggithee entha tax save avvudo soosi invest seyatameee
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 09:00 am:       


Humpty_dumpty:




both sources are different

E and R sources ani untundi

employee contribution, and employer contribution ani seperate untundi

since your employer contribution has vesting schedule depends on company
it might be aviable immediately

vanguard has 4% immediate vesting and next 10% vesting is graded, 30% after 3, after 7 its 100%
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:58 am:       


Humpty_dumpty:

Max out lo employer contribution count awwadha




nope ..
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:58 am:       


Ntr_rocks:

Alage IRA money ela tesukovali or ela use cheyalo cheppu



ROTH IRA: is your after tax money, you only pay tax on growth
Traditional: you get tax break in the front, so you have to pay 10% penaltiy in addition to tax if you withdraw before 70
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:56 am:       

TI
Max out lo employer contribution count awwadha
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:55 am:       

for long run, 401k is must
first you save on taxes and if employer matches then its awesome
people who have started 10 years back, have more than 250k in

its for retirement, i recommend it with out fail

i use to work for vanguard, we used to get 14% match so 14k every year for lot of people, when i left, i unnecessarily used it for business

my friends who are working from there 2000 have 500k in their account

vanguard funds are low expense and conservative good for long term
fidelity funds are more aggressive
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:54 am:       


Andhrawala:


wife pernaa IRA 5.5K pettukoo. This can be done even if she is not working


IRA open chesi 5.5K pedite 2.5K tax kattalsina avasaram vundadu antava ? Alage IRA money ela tesukovali or ela use cheyalo cheppu
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:52 am:       


Jodhaa:

bottomline enti? 401K ledhu naaku kooda..must aa?


hd office lo match cheyaru ani lite tesukunna, experts opinion and tax pay cheyalsi vastundi kabatti must anukuntunna...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:51 am:       


Humpty_dumpty:

y contribution needs to be 12%



18%

to max out 18k, you have put 18% right?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:49 am:       

This year max limit is 18k
Employer matches 100% of first 6%
If I want to max out
Salary say 100k
My contribution needs to be 12%

Is this correct
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:47 am:       


Ntr_rocks:


bottomline enti? 401K ledhu naaku kooda..must aa?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:43 am:       


Ntr_rocks:

2.5K katte daniki 8K bokka enduku ?




Purely tax saving kosam evvaru donate seyyaru.

tax saving is a benefit. Helping kosam ano, maanchi peru kosamoo chesthaaru

wife pernaa IRA 5.5K pettukoo. This can be done even if she is not working
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:34 am:       


Andhrawala:



around 8K isthee 2.5K tax thagguddhii


2.5K katte daniki 8K bokka enduku ?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:33 am:       


Ntr_rocks:

Ivvatam Ok, entha iste 2.5K taguddo cheppu...




around 8K isthee 2.5K tax thagguddhii
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:29 am:       


Andhrawala:



December 30th date tho mee voorlo Temple ki ivvocchu


Ivvatam Ok, entha iste 2.5K taguddo cheppu...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:25 am:       


Ntr_rocks:

Edi ok, ipudu kuda cheyacha ?




December 30th date tho mee voorlo Temple ki ivvocchu

if u want u can give to temple in my city or I am involved with one charity . daaniki ivvu

http://breshschool.org/


Bill tho enthainaa ivvocchu

without bills antee okka 400-500 pettukocchu
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 08:18 am:       


Mahiz:


Roth IRA, is after tax contribution. You can still contribute under 2016 limits until you file your 2016 tax returns. But, deenivalla nee tax liability emi thaggadu, coz Roth = after tax.
01/06/2012 - 169.4; 8/1/2013 - 182; 9/23/2016 - 185.8
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 10:24 pm:       


Ntr_rocks:


yes year ki 5000 varaku fanam chesindi deduction lo kalpavachu kaani audit este receipts chupiyali
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 10:22 pm:       


Gotcha:


donations oka 1000


Edi ok, ipudu kuda cheyacha ?

Gotcha:


Tali tandrulani dependents kinda ikkada 2000 vastayi nyayabadam ga cheyakudadu


No, cheyanu

Gotcha:

Vyasayam meeda oka 1500 nastam


No
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 10:20 pm:       


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donations oka 1000
Tali tandrulani dependents kinda ikkada 2000 vastayi nyayabadam ga cheyakudadu
Vyasayam meeda oka 1500 nastam
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 10:15 pm:       

how many 401k accounts ettukovachu... maa prev employer gadidi thokkalo options unde.. vadu ichina options lo annee bokkale tappa okka paisa ochedi lekunde..

mana own ga elte.. ishtamochindi pick cheskovacha..?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 10:14 pm:       

Endo le, chaduvutunte confusion ekuva avutundi...Tax returns file cheddam ante 2.5K nanne kattamantunnadu....Nakestunnar motham..chuss..

DB experts em cheyalo cheppandi, 2.5K taxes ekottali ante...
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 10:11 pm:       

401K ki contribute for the financial year 2016 , can i also contribute to ROTH IRA now, to pay less tax for the financial year 2016 ;)
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 06:00 pm:       


Twotown:

employer daggara 401k option lekapothe waste anukune vaadini .


 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 05:58 pm:       


Andhrawala:

2017 money nuvvu ippatnunchi 2018 APril lopu pettukocchu



Super .. employer option 401k waste anukune vaadini ..
Now got some basics .. thankeses
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 05:27 pm:       


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Thanks vunkle .. very well briefed ..




2017 money nuvvu ippatnunchi 2018 APril lopu pettukocchu
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Thanks vunkle .. very well briefed ..:-)
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 05:23 pm:       


Twotown:

babailu C2C ki 401K dummies type lo brief cheyandi evaraina ...




Yearly 5500 pettukocchu.

Por example 2016 taxes lo exemption kosam April 15th lopu u can put 5500. paisalau vunte u can keep another 5500

so total 11K deposit chesi u can open IRA account at Fidelity or Vangaurd or whatever.

With that money u can invest eithe rin stocks or any mutual funds

https://www.fidelity.com/retirement-ira/contribution-limits- deadlines
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 05:19 pm:       


Saint:


ma vaadi danto ivi vunnayi...
http://imgur.com/a/SlF24


vanguard index fund is good way to start with....also those 2045/2050 portfolios are good

maa wife di simillar funds unnayi so managing
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 05:06 pm:       


Saint:

for now I choose money market fund as I dont know which fund to choose...




asdf , warrior , ustad, jasla may suggest some , naaku very limited knowledge in picking stocks/funds
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:59 pm:       


Xxx:



what is your picks in investment , mav got 36% return last year ,

share your investment ( funds you put money) in if possible




for now I choose money market fund as I dont know which fund to choose...

ma vaadi danto ivi vunnayi...
http://imgur.com/a/SlF24

anni funds lo max 15% ye vundi...
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:55 pm:       


Saint:

ok max peduthnna ee year chooddam...etla vutnadoo..




what is your picks in investment , mav got 36% return last year ,

share your investment ( funds you put money) in if possible
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:54 pm:       


Rebel:

nuvvu ceo range anukunta to qualify for this plan


kaadu le:-)
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:53 pm:       

ok max peduthnna ee year chooddam...etla vutnadoo..
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:53 pm:       


Amigo:

total income is 30K what will be the tax




10% i guess
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:50 pm:       

>>so i wont be surprised if u never heard it.

nice..just google'd..we learn a new thing every day.....nuvvu ceo range anukunta to qualify for this plan :-)
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:48 pm:       


Ysr2009:

30K-40K per year withdrawal will count towards your income and you have to pay taxes on that




If your total income is 30K what will be the tax? maybe nothing looking at the lower bracket
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:48 pm:       


Saint:

to earn 100k u need to have gross 130k right? this 100k is after tax money...




18k you put in 401k , two options ..

1. You don't pay taxes , it goes directly into 401k
2. You pay taxes, it is roth , and while withdrawing you pay no taxes, for the first you pay taxes at the time of retirement

Your money is stuck , untill you retire mostly .. 59 1/2 or above, don't know the exact rules ( most say 10% penality + taxes as required)
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:46 pm:       


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ala evaru vadaru annay..education ki 529 plan undi..401k works best for retirement purpose


kaadu non qualified plan is not offered for all full time employees so i wont be surprised if u never heard it.
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:46 pm:       


Maverick:

can you just withdraw then and pay 0% tax(as there is no income)




you pay on what you withdraw , that is your income,

If it is in roth , then you don't pay the taxes, but 10% penalty
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:45 pm:       

>>naa lanti full time employee use 401k for children education funding

ala evaru vadaru annay..education ki 529 plan undi..401k works best for retirement purpose
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:44 pm:       


Xxx:



I will pay 104k , so I have to pay taxes on 104k .. , effectively the 4k tax is not that bad)


to earn 100k u need to have gross 130k right? this 100k is after tax money...
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:44 pm:       

PMI badulu u can always borrow 401k. full time employees vs consultnat ki chebutuna consultant ki very good option as they dont save and they do not get any constribution so save 70K and borrow 50k. consultant is not trying to make money out of his 401k but just borrowing it.

naa lanti full time employee use 401k for children education funding, naa lanti seniors ki option undi non qualified option in 401 where I can withdraw before i retire i use that account for children education ante i will contribute and withdraw during my childs education which is even before retirement and without penalty.
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:41 pm:       


Ysr2009:

In ALL cases, you will have to pay taxes on your 401K money.




this is the most confusing part.

1. I take money out of 401k (no tax paid), 100k for example and those are like after tax money to me
2. I pay back to 401k with after tax money ..

only part is paying the 4% interest , which is after tax money ,

I will pay 104k , so I have to pay taxes on 104k .. , effectively the 4k tax is not that bad)
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:41 pm:       

Even if you move to another country, worldwide income meedha tax kattali if you have GC.
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:36 pm:       

In ALL cases, you will have to pay taxes on your 401K money.
Can't avoid it..
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:35 pm:       


Ysr2009:

Ramanayam anthaa vini raamudiki seetha emavuddi ani adigaandanta evado...




1. You should be able to make more than the bank interest on your 401k
2. You will pay 4% interest on the loans back to yourself , this is where you are paying after tax dollars so .. assume you got 2.5 % only interest

Adding 1 and 2 , ( mortage bank intrest is 4 % and 2.5 % you paid to yourself, 6.5% )

Your returns on 401k should be greater than 6.5 % atleast every year.

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Also this will be useful for ones who does not have 20% down payment , can save the PMI money too
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:35 pm:       

>> u can withdraw 30-40k per year right? tax kattakunda vunde laaga...

30K-40K per year withdrawal will count towards your income and you have to pay taxes on that + 10% penalty...
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:33 pm:       


Ysr2009:


250K will be your income for that year. So, you will have to pay taxes on that 250K income + 10% penalty..


u can withdraw 30-40k per year right? tax kattakunda vunde laaga...
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:32 pm:       

>> say you put all in 401k for 10 years and have about 250k(after growth etc_.. you want to go to india..and in that case your US income the next eyar is 0$. can you just withdraw then and pay 0% tax(as there is no income) and just penalty and walk out with ur retirement amount by payin just 10% penatly?

Mav:
250K will be your income for that year. So, you will have to pay taxes on that 250K income + 10% penalty..
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:32 pm:       

money market fund ante manaki stocks padathayi annappudu induloki movie chesi kurchukunte mana money safe aa?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:31 pm:       


Saarang:

You cannot use funds from your current 401-k but past employer 401-k nundi you can roll over into these




got it .. useful if you have roll over funds .. good to know
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:30 pm:       

>> very very very bad idea..
>>>>> why?

Ramanayam anthaa vini raamudiki seetha emavuddi ani adigaandanta evado...
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:30 pm:       

as for 401k withdrawls, correct me if i am wrong..

say you put all in 401k for 10 years and have about 250k(after growth etc_.. you want to go to india..and in that case your US income the next eyar is 0$. can you just withdraw then and pay 0% tax(as there is no income) and just penalty and walk out with ur retirement amount by payin just 10% penatly?
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:27 pm:       


Xxx:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_401(k)

if this is the same , most of the full time employees will not have the option




You cannot use funds from your current 401-k but past employer 401-k nundi you can roll over into these. I have seen full time employees do it.
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:27 pm:       

http://imgur.com/a/SlF24

vetilo edi best? funds switch cheshte fees vuntada?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:25 pm:       


Ysr2009:

very very very bad idea..




why ? we need to consider all options ..

you are paying the interest to yourself
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:24 pm:       


Couragebabu:

borrow loan from 401k for house, malli daani repay ela cheyyali




you are taking a loan and repaying it .. different things aanukunta
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:24 pm:       

>> you borrow loan from 401k for house

very very very bad idea..
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:23 pm:       


Saarang:




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_401(k)

if this is the same , most of the full time employees will not have the option
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:22 pm:       

oka secret cheppana -
best thing u can do financially is contributing to 401k..ee mukka 2008 lo db id create cheskunappati nunchi cheptunna..
employer contribution or not doesn't matter..cheste oka 3-6% extra vastay
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:22 pm:       

question:
Say if you max out 401k contribution every year and you borrow loan from 401k for house, malli daani repay ela cheyyali, coz max limit is 18K and you are already max out your contribution kada...
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:22 pm:       

>> that happened only after 2012 and depends on how good you are in investmen

No. My 401K has 11% growth in the last 15 years! I am a novice in investing.

>> You are paying to mortgage as after tax dollars right ? You are getting tax free dollars and paying after tax ..

Think.
In case of 401K loan, you are paying before-tax loan with after-tax money.
In regular loans, you are paying after-tax loan with after-tax money.

big difference..
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:18 pm:       

This is what I was talking about:

http://www.irafinancialgroup.com/401kpurchaserealestate.php
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:14 pm:       


Ysr2009:

You will get approximately 8% return on your 401K




that happened only after 2012 and depends on how good you are in investment

8% if possible me suggest what is investment strategy
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2) Loans are repaid with after-tax dollars. So, you are repaying your loan with after-tax money and your money will be taxed again after retirement. Double taxation!

You are paying to mortgage as after tax dollars right ? You are getting tax free dollars and paying after tax ..

3) If you lose a job after borrowing, you have fully repay the loan in 60 days

this is the most important clause, how will you repay it if you don't have a job
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:14 pm:       

>> u might some tax deduction for principle repayment...

No chance.
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:13 pm:       


Ysr2009:

1) You will get approximately 8% return on your 401K. Why would you lose 8% returns, when you can take the same loan from a bank with much lesser interest rate?

2) Loans are repaid with after-tax dollars. So, you are repaying your loan with after-tax money and your money will be taxed again after retirement. Double taxation!

3) If you lose a job after borrowing, you have fully repay the loan in 60 days!




ee loan repayment ina after tax dollars thone kada? u might some tax deduction for principle repayment...
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:13 pm:       


Andhrawala:

if not u own ur S corporation u cna have SEP-IRA and contribute upto 25% of ur salary




Although you are self employed, this 25% is employer contribution..Its showed as expenses on your company books. In addition to that, can you contribute as employee?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:13 pm:       


Maverick:

Saarang:

No...its self directed investment that allows you to invest your 401-k as you wish instead of investing into a template from the brokerage.

the interst goes back to ur account kada




Yes, all income from that investment goes back into the account.
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:12 pm:       


Ysr2009:

2) Loans are repaid with after-tax dollars.


yes idi miss ayya....!!ikkada balance ipoyindi...
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:11 pm:       


Maverick:

you can also use 401k to avoind a foreclosure (penalt free)


please explain more..
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:11 pm:       


Xxx:

imit is 18k and you can do both until certain limit in salary ?


wife and husband can do 36k in 401k straight savings
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Saarang:

No...its self directed investment that allows you to invest your 401-k as you wish instead of investing into a template from the brokerage.


the interst goes back to ur account kada
Happy Vizag
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:11 pm:       

ira lo 5.5k only right ? 401k limit is 18k and you can do both until certain limit in salary ?

401k is employer sponsored , ( may or may not sponsor money)
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:10 pm:       

Taking loans from 401K doesn't make sense to me at all..

1) You will get approximately 8% return on your 401K. Why would you lose 8% returns, when you can take the same loan from a bank with much lesser interest rate?

2) Loans are repaid with after-tax dollars. So, you are repaying your loan with after-tax money and your money will be taxed again after retirement. Double taxation!

3) If you lose a job after borrowing, you have fully repay the loan in 60 days!
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:10 pm:       

you can also use 401k to avoind a foreclosure (penalt free)
Happy Vizag
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:07 pm:       


Ysr2009:



401K ==> Free matching money from your employer

IRA ==> NO Free money


no matching from employer ithe?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:07 pm:       


Gotcha:

there is a law for 401k, if u use the money for ur primary house it can be repaid in 30 years migata anni purposes ki anni years ivadu.

so say u have 100k in 401k, 50k varaku borrow cheyavachu on 401k at any time, so 50k ki u will pay 4% interest and that amount would not be invested in stocks.

ee 50k nuvvu save chesi housing ki down payment cheyali ante u have to save 50k after paying tax ade 401k ayite u save 30k in tax and need to save only 70k to get the 50k




ee logic beebatsam ga vundi....

House ki downpayment if u pay 20k after taxes, it is equivalent to 28k in 401k...

ade 50k ithe, 401k lo 70k annattu..
 

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read as avunu in red dots from my previous post
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:04 pm:       


Xxx:



Is it taking a loan on your 401k , paying interest to your account ?




No...its self directed investment that allows you to invest your 401-k as you wish instead of investing into a template from the brokerage.
 

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Ntr_rocks:

borrow ante malli kattala 401K ki


r paying urself the 4% interest which will go back to 401k.
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:04 pm:       

>> IRA vs 401k edi better?

401K ==> Free matching money from your employer

IRA ==> NO Free money
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:03 pm:       


Andhravodu:

401k home payment vadite, you'll get 10% penalty


dont post wrong info bro. 401k lo u can always borrow money 50k maximum ade house ki ayite repayment can be for 30 years. only drawback if u borrow from 401k is u have to be working, job loose ayite u have to pay back that loan in a month or so or then they will tax the 10% penalty.
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:00 pm:       


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401K ni home down payment ga kadite, 401K lo vunna amount ki tax kattakrleda ?


there is a law for 401k, if u use the money for ur primary house it can be repaid in 30 years migata anni purposes ki anni years ivadu.

so say u have 100k in 401k, 50k varaku borrow cheyavachu on 401k at any time, so 50k ki u will pay 4% interest and that amount would not be invested in stocks.

ee 50k nuvvu save chesi housing ki down payment cheyali ante u have to save 50k after paying tax ade 401k ayite u save 30k in tax and need to save only 70k to get the 50k
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 04:00 pm:       


Saarang:

401k ni roll over chesi.




Is it taking a loan on your 401k , paying interest to your account ?
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:59 pm:       


Ntr_rocks:

Clear ga cheppandi.

401K ni home down payment ga kadite, 401K lo vunna amount ki tax kattakrleda ?




401k ni roll over chesi...you can buy properties. Kontha mandhi ala chestaaru...koncham complex transaction but its possible....instead of investing in stocks you are investing in the property...all the rents and sale proceeds will go into the 401-k and expenses will be paid from that account. Basically, the 401-k account appears as the owner of the property on title.

Intha paperwork gola enduku ani light teesukunna...also it will keep investments diversified.
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:58 pm:       


Gotcha:

, u cna borrow from it for house loan and will be same like house down payment with out PMI. instead of saving for housing u contribute to 401k and u cna maximum borrowhalf of it(maximum 50k)
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401k home payment vadite, you'll get 10% penalty


Paidi enti mari, borrow ante malli kattala 401K ki ?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:57 pm:       


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401k lo invest cheyyocha? waste aa?




if it reduces your tax burden go for it..

else ..vere daari soosukondi..

endukante you will have freedom to invest and exit..

401k lo you are kind of stuck until retirement to withdraw without penalties..
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:57 pm:       


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ok max pettala?


yes maximum petteyi. IRA lo u cant borrow money for home for 401k u can so if u r planning to buy house 401k lo peteyyi.
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:56 pm:       


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IRA vs 401k edi better?


no koschen IRA. you are free to trade anything you want
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:55 pm:       

IRA vs 401k edi better?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:55 pm:       


Saint:

what ever interest u pay on the 401k loan, will be added to ur 401k


I don't think so. Interest doesn't feed into principle anywhere
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:53 pm:       


Andhravodu:

401k home payment vadite, you'll get 10% penalty


aa penalty kooda nee 401k ke add chestharemo kada?

also what ever interest u pay on the 401k loan, will be added to ur 401k..is this true?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:52 pm:       


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401K ni home down payment ga kadite


401k home payment vadite, you'll get 10% penalty
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:51 pm:       

babailu C2C ki 401K dummies type lo brief cheyandi evaraina ...
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:51 pm:       


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2012 lo, I lost 30-40% in exchange rate on money sent to India. aa money bank lo kakunda, 401k lo petti unte, would've made a killing during market rally of 2012-15


India ki pampindi kooda stocks or real estate lo etti vunte, u wud have made a killing...India returns are much higher than 401k returns
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:49 pm:       


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what r the returns on 401k? what is % of tax u r going to save?


it's not about returns now, but loss of returns from 10years ago, compounded

2012 lo, I lost 30-40% in exchange rate on money sent to India. aa money bank lo kakunda, 401k lo petti unte, would've made a killing during market rally of 2012-15
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:48 pm:       


Ntr_rocks:

Clear ga cheppandi.

401K ni home down payment ga kadite, 401K lo vunna amount ki tax kattakrleda ?




enti withdraw sethe aa year gross lo kalipi tax vesthada? idi 401k nunchi loan kada..eyyadu anukunta....
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:48 pm:       


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employer contribution leka pothe, 401k lo invest cheyyocha? waste aa?


I'd say put as much as you can afford. Ippudu 401k lo kuda Chala low fee ETF investment options vunnayyi..right away you can reduce taxable income
 

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My guess isntead of putting all monies in Indian real estate or stock market the 401K is kind of different basket anukoni munduku vellatamee


pettaka vatini ela manage cheyyali? maximum returns entha expect cheyyochu per year?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:47 pm:       


Gotcha:

saint neeku best enduku ante nee salary cap tagutundi, u cna borrow from it for house loan and will be same like house down payment with out PMI. instead of saving for housing u contribute to 401k and u cna maximum borrowhalf of it(maximum 50k)


anthe antava?

ok max pettala?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:46 pm:       


Gotcha:

saint neeku best enduku ante nee salary cap tagutundi, u cna borrow from it for house loan and will be same like house down payment with out PMI. instead of saving for housing u contribute to 401k and u cna maximum borrowhalf of it(maximum 50k)


Clear ga cheppandi.

401K ni home down payment ga kadite, 401K lo vunna amount ki tax kattakrleda ?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:43 pm:       


Andhrawala:



annai nee 3 point lingo ardham kaledu...
me badugu c2c , HD kudaa same to same...
ippudu cheppandi , ela proceed kavali..
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:42 pm:       


Saint:


I am interested to know ur perspective ...investor perspective lo if u can generate more returns, 401k waste anipisthad?




16K pedithe approximate 4k u save in tax and withdraw teh amount in a phased manner once retired

My guess isntead of putting all monies in Indian real estate or stock market the 401K is kind of different basket anukoni munduku vellatamee
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:42 pm:       

saint neeku best enduku ante nee salary cap tagutundi, u cna borrow from it for house loan and will be same like house down payment with out PMI. instead of saving for housing u contribute to 401k and u cna maximum borrowhalf of it(maximum 50k)
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:41 pm:       


Twotown:



ela,ekkadaa,eppati nunchi cheyochchu ? please brief me vunkles.




If u are W2 employee, u can join the 401K of the employer

if not u own ur S corporation u cna have SEP-IRA and contribute upto 25% of ur salary

if not u can do IRA and put around 6K for u and 6K for spouse even if she is not working
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:40 pm:       


Andhravodu:

No, not a waste. Nenu ante anukuni oka 10years cheyaledu, ippudu crying

always better to put max into 401k when you're earning




enduku crying? what r the returns on 401k? what is % of tax u r going to save?


Saarang:

Tax savings untayi ani maxing out 401-k strongly recommend chestaaru. Nenu future lo ayina kattalsindhe kadha ani only employer match daakane chesevaadini. Naa lekka future lo tax lu peragatame kaani taggatam undadhu...so ippude kattesthe oka pani ayyipotundhi ani. My cousin who is much elder to me thinks its a bad idea...and i will regret it later.




I am interested to know ur perspective ...investor perspective lo if u can generate more returns, 401k waste anipisthad?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:40 pm:       


Spy_india:

appudu retire ayyaka regular yrly salary undakapote . anta kattakkarelemo gaa Tax compare to right now




True...after 62 years emo without penalty withdraw cheyyochu....but naa doubt what if we have income in retirement or never retire anedhi...30 years later mana parisththi ela untundho eppudo cheppatam kastam ani. Anyways started maxing from last year.
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:38 pm:       


Andhravodu:

always better to put max into 401k when you're earning




Andhrawala:

Me doing it.




ela,ekkadaa,eppati nunchi cheyochchu ? please brief me vunkles...
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:35 pm:       


Saarang:

Nenu future lo ayina kattalsindhe kadha



hmmm oka doubt ..
appudu retire ayyaka regular yrly salary undakapote . anta kattakkarelemo gaa Tax compare to right now ?
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:29 pm:       

Tax savings untayi ani maxing out 401-k strongly recommend chestaaru. Nenu future lo ayina kattalsindhe kadha ani only employer match daakane chesevaadini. Naa lekka future lo tax lu peragatame kaani taggatam undadhu...so ippude kattesthe oka pani ayyipotundhi ani. My cousin who is much elder to me thinks its a bad idea...and i will regret it later.
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:27 pm:       

No, not a waste. Nenu ante anukuni oka 10years cheyaledu, ippudu crying

always better to put max into 401k when you're earning
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:27 pm:       

Rep gallu 401k ney lepeddam ani choosthunnaru kada? Saving and investing wisely best emo ippudu
 

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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2017 - 03:26 pm:       


Saint:

employer contribution leka pothe, 401k lo invest cheyyocha? waste aa?




chesyyocchu

Me doing it.

Just to go to lower tax bracket by maxing out.
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