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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 04:08 am:       

sit tight for 2 weeks....rather than speculate/believe in dubious media theories and articles...

LOL

Bottomline if it is your legitimate money....nothing will happen to you.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 04:07 am:       

endhuku naakesthadhi UNACCOUNTED MONEY unan vallaki debba

ayina aa unacounted money antha tax egadobbi smaayinchindhi ee gaa

unna money lo 50% tax ayiteh endhuku naakestharu asets ammi emi tax kata manatam ledhu gaa
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 04:03 am:       


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then 6 lkah cr might be black money i.e UNACCOUNTED MONEY then it is 50% fine on 6 lkah crore




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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 03:57 am:       

ipuud latest echeme kindha 50% fine and 25% withhold cesiddhi gov for 4 years .

so say all 14 lakh crore deposited

then 6 lkah cr might be black money i.e UNACCOUNTED MONEY then it is 50% fine on 6 lkah crore

so average 25% tax avuthundhi kadha on 12 lakh cr
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 03:08 am:       

note bank ki raapothe black ayipodda ? ippatidhaaka deposited money antha black yenaa ? vornayaanoo yentidi ?

all money is black unless proved otherwise ? yem dhed dimaak concept saami idi ?

shaavkar intlo koncham glass evado kotteste patel vacchi ullo andarni lonesaad anta.. meeru dongathanam cheyaledani prove chesunte vadilesta annatta... maa goppa patel !
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 03:05 am:       


Santhi_swaroop:

akakda chebuthundhi mottam 14 lakhs cr deposit ayinaa most of the money blackmoney




Anagananga oka roju..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 02:47 am:       


Santhi_swaroop:


BTW akakda chebuthundhi mottam 14 lakhs cr deposit ayinaa most of the money blackmoney kindha 25% tax ruperal loo forukuthundhi ani.


alaa cheppinodu top most economistaa vammo..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 02:42 am:       


Santhi_swaroop:

14 lakhs cr deposit ayinaa most of the money blackmoney



so..summary is, all 14lac cr is unaccounted so far.. and suddenly, 14lac cr income is brought under top bracket IT net.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 02:40 am:       


Kkd:

.limit is only on CASH.



withdrawing in cash is also my right.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 02:37 am:       


Bushu:

Not more than 20% of the original float will be printed.


if they print only 20% govt will collapse in no time
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 01:56 am:       


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What kind of math is that? Hathavidhi..

At best 1-2 lakhs crores out of the 16 lakh crores might not come back...meeremo ekamga 60%, 70% ani lekkalu vesukuntunnaru...




BTW akakda chebuthundhi mottam 14 lakhs cr deposit ayinaa most of the money blackmoney kindha 25% tax ruperal loo forukuthundhi ani.
ee Santhi_Swaroop flash back loo Paga_Babai_Paga
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 01:50 am:       


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What kind of math is that? Hathavidhi..

At best 1-2 lakhs crores out of the 16 lakh crores might not come back...meeremo ekamga 60%, 70% ani lekkalu vesukuntunnaru...




adi nee report or naa report kaadhu RBI report and intelligent report. so nammali.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 01:31 am:       


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its my fundamental right to withdraw my legitimate money.


who is taking away your fundamental right...you can still withdraw as much as you like via Cards/Transfer/Check/DD etc....limit is only on CASH.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 01:01 am:       


Santhi_swaroop:

ippudu tax laa prakaram anounce cheyakapothee enth tax paduthundhi?

as per intelligent report 50% balck money. as per RBI report 2/3 printed 1k notes never come to banks and 1/3 printed 500 rs note not come to bank. so all lekka Black money entha vuntundhi?

As per new IT law undisclosed money vese tax batti 25% money kudaa tax kindhaki radhaa?




What kind of math is that? Hathavidhi..

At best 1-2 lakhs crores out of the 16 lakh crores might not come back...meeremo ekamga 60%, 70% ani lekkalu vesukuntunnaru...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 01:01 am:       

People talking about cashless economy must be living on the equator of fool's paradise...hard to get them out

S.Gurumurthy better be a chartered accountant...don't cut into the matters of macro economy

aina Parivar pempudu kukka ala gaka ela matladatadu

avi memu vinali...velli Karat matalu kooda vinandi aithe
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:55 am:       


Santhi_swaroop:

ippudu tax laa prakaram anounce cheyakapothee enth tax paduthundhi?

as per intelligent report 50% balck money. as per RBI report 2/3 printed 1k notes never come to banks and 1/3 printed 500 rs note not come to bank. so all lekka Black money entha vuntundhi?

As per new IT law undisclosed money vese tax batti 25% money kudaa tax kindhaki radhaa?




which Intelligence report>? 50% of what is blackmoney?

bro.. what makes u think that, 80% of cash in rotation is unaccounted.? and u will receive 3lac cr extra Income Tax, over and above normal growth of IT?

are these numbers making sense at all?
already 60% of cash came back to banks.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:51 am:       


Boston_baba:


12lac cr deposit avutundi anukundam. adi antha black money ani decide chesava...
dani meeda, 25% income tax vastada....
so, he is saying almost 80% of cash in rotation is blackmoney and all that money attracts top bracket income tax... should i even argue this point?




ippudu tax laa prakaram anounce cheyakapothee enth tax paduthundhi?

as per intelligent report 50% balck money. as per RBI report 2/3 printed 1k notes never come to banks and 1/3 printed 500 rs note not come to bank. so all lekka Black money entha vuntundhi?

As per new IT law undisclosed money vese tax batti 25% money kudaa tax kindhaki radhaa?
ee Santhi_Swaroop flash back loo Paga_Babai_Paga
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:50 am:       


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24k limit alaney untey normal people will die andi die
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:48 am:       


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Too many ifs and buts, depends on how much money comes back into the system, GDP hits etc..no guarantee to anything as of now...

In fact yesterday the govt/ RBI requested many retailers and shops to deposit their daily collections to the banks as retailers are hoarding onto their daily collections and banks are struggling with liquidity.

March daka aithe, just conserve cash, antha kante chesedhi emi ledhu...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:45 am:       


Kadapanagfan:

After 6 months mundu laaaa dabbbbu yenthaina teesukovacha leka ippati laaaa 24k per week anthey na???



ee tuglak gadi yavvaram, pichodi cheti lo rayi laga undi.
ethical ga aithe, anytime its my fundamental right to withdraw my legitimate money.
aa pain, devude dikku.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:45 am:       

I feel cash transactions ki limit pedthaadu like 1 lak or 50K etc. anything more than that we need to go thru cashless.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:44 am:       


Santhi_swaroop:

so antha kudaa blackmoney ledhu antavaa?




12lac cr deposit avutundi anukundam. adi antha black money ani decide chesava...
dani meeda, 25% income tax vastada....
so, he is saying almost 80% of cash in rotation is blackmoney and all that money attracts top bracket income tax... should i even argue this point?
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:42 am:       

1 small doubt

After 6 months mundu laaaa dabbbbu yenthaina teesukovacha leka ippati laaaa 24k per week anthey na???
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:42 am:       


Santhi_swaroop:

But govt is saying we have enough cash. Lets see




i'm replying to this one line alone.

everyone knows the time required to replace currency notes. question is whether printing is already done or yet to be done? and whether govt is giving right information or not..

nuvvu lets see ante, it seems u bought into govt argument.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:41 am:       


Boston_baba:

12lac cr deposit aithe, andulo atleast 25% IncomeTax vastadi anta.. LOL




so antha kudaa blackmoney ledhu antavaa?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:40 am:       


Boston_baba:


em babu. vadu cheppe sollu endi. kalla mundu kanapadtundi artham kavadam leda.. circulation of 500 is need of the hr. adi ledu ante, either they are in short supply. or govt is fool not to release 500 notes.



Santhi_swaroop:

Unless govt already printed cash, cash liquidity issue will be there at least for 4-5 months.




I strongly feel it will take 4-5 months for normal cash liquidity. In fact I open a thread on same on 15th etc after hearing mint news and Initial Chidambaram Rajya Sabha TV interview. calculated the numbers same.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:37 am:       


Santhi_swaroop:

please take some time and follow the video. Very good info.



i watched the video.. pragmatism missing.
12lac cr deposit aithe, andulo atleast 25% IncomeTax vastadi anta.. LOL
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:36 am:       

whoever feeling current step of Govt wrong, please take some time and follow the video. Very good info.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:34 am:       


Santhi_swaroop:

But govt is saying we have enough cash. Lets see.



em babu. vadu cheppe sollu endi. kalla mundu kanapadtundi artham kavadam leda.. circulation of 500 is need of the hr. adi ledu ante, either they are in short supply. or govt is fool not to release 500 notes.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:34 am:       


Boston_baba:

collateral damage caused dont justify the method and its implementation.




it is arguable. we have a peculiar NBFC systems that will reach any bottom of the pyrmid sector or even higher.

If they implement cashless properly or cash less + cash which can manage 10 lakhs cr circulation then we are good from Jan 1st.

Banks no need to lend money to all sectors people and worry for man power and NPAs. Banks will lend to NBFC and NBFC will lend to ppl very effectively. thanks NBFCs NPAs also very very low.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:31 am:       


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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/I ndias-currency-GDP-ratio-highest-among-BRICS-nations/article show/55576351.cms

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That being said, how big is the difference that such a drastic measure is needed.



this idea itself is so flawed. implementation is just highlighting the shortterm pains. long terms impact of GDP contraction and its effects are yet to be felt.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:28 am:       


Boston_baba:

wrong..
our cash to gdp ratio is 12%,
developed nations cash/gdp ratio is less than 4%




Japan - 16%
Switzerland - 11%
Russia - 9%
Indonesia - 5%

There are developed countries with higher cash too...that is statistics. That being said, how big is the difference that such a drastic measure is needed.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:27 am:       

Unless govt already printed cash, cash liquidity issue will be there at least for 4-5 months. But govt is saying we have enough cash. Lets see.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:25 am:       


Santhi_swaroop:

as per S Gurumurthy we may need to have 6-7% of GDP to maintain indian economy. that is around total 9-10 lakshs cores cash currency. earlier before demonetization we used to have 18 lakhs cr worth currency.



everyone including congress agrees with the objective. but, collateral damage caused dont justify the method and its implementation.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:24 am:       

Please see video from 25:30. He covered many aspects that others not. a Must watch video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnAz6F9HIo
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 12:21 am:       


Boston_baba:


wrong..
our cash to gdp ratio is 12%,
developed nations cash/gdp ratio is less than 4%




correct we used to have cash 12% of GDP. as per S Gurumurthy we may need to have 6-7% of GDP to maintain indian economy. that is around total 9-10 lakshs cores cash currency. earlier before demonetization we used to have 18 lakhs cr worth currency.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:52 pm:       


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.do you know that many developed countries use even more cash than us as a part of GDP.




wrong..
our cash to gdp ratio is 12%,
developed nations cash/gdp ratio is less than 4%

idea is to bring down cash/gdp to that 4%. but, as long as demand for currency is there, slowly, rbi/govt has to yield and print as much currency as required.

this onway traffic of deposits and weekly/daily withdrawl limits has to go someday.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:38 pm:       


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but what use is that


jittu use ledi geeyinseskuntama j/k btw oka 5k cash aithey carry sesthanu but position telusukotamlo thappu leduga
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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:31 pm:       


Bushu:

There was approx 16 lakh crore worth of 500/1000 notes out in the open earlier. Approx 33000 crore were exchanged as of Dec 18, which is 2% of the earlier float. 14% of the original cash float was Rs. 100 or lower denominations. During the same time (Nov 10-18), Rs.5.5 lakh crore has been deposited, or approx $82 billion, or approx 33% of the total value of Rs.500 and 1000 out earlier, and Rs.33K crore (2% of total original float exchanged or withdrawn. By the time all that cash is deposited back in the system, there will be approx Rs.1 lakh crore in 500s and 2000s (and smaller denominations) out. That's an ~80% reduction in cash float in the system. You can nitpick the exact number, but the actual idea is quite straightforward and the data so far bears it out that approx 3/4ths of the previous cash by value will be out of circulation .




Nonsensical - your assumption is that people are just going to deposit their cash and not withdraw it...your argument that the data bears it out again is illogical, as people are not able to withdraw...let the withdrawals be opened up and then see the amount of withdrawals.

If you read the accompanying Mint article, you will see the more recent numbers of deposits...at best there might be 1-2 lakhs of black money rooted out, which is not worth losing 1-2% of GDP for 2 quarters.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:24 pm:       

100s and 50 note denominations kuda press accommodate cheyali.. may take beyond 9 months
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:23 pm:       


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vunkle delhi position eti ade ATM and banks about withdrawl,next week trip vundi




Try at the airport if possible, no point wasting time at ATMs and banks. Money dorakatam aithe impossible. You might get Rs2000s, but what use is that
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:23 pm:       

Some math that a friend put together:

There was approx 16 lakh crore worth of 500/1000 notes out in the open earlier. Approx 33000 crore were exchanged as of Dec 18, which is 2% of the earlier float. 14% of the original cash float was Rs. 100 or lower denominations. During the same time (Nov 10-18), Rs.5.5 lakh crore has been deposited, or approx $82 billion, or approx 33% of the total value of Rs.500 and 1000 out earlier, and Rs.33K crore (2% of total original float exchanged or withdrawn. By the time all that cash is deposited back in the system, there will be approx Rs.1 lakh crore in 500s and 2000s (and smaller denominations) out. That's an ~80% reduction in cash float in the system. You can nitpick the exact number, but the actual idea is quite straightforward and the data so far bears it out that approx 3/4ths of the previous cash by value will be out of circulation .
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:22 pm:       


Junior_no1:

vunkle delhi position eti ade ATM and banks about withdrawl,next week trip vundi


endi vaa nuvvu...oka roju blore, inko roju vizag, inko dinam hyd, inko dinam kodaikanal...ippudu delhi...asal evar nuvvu
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:22 pm:       


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Where did you get the 20% from btw,




that was just some rough math. but this assumption that they will replace exact same number of notes is dumb. that defeats the whole purpose. complete cash-less is impossible, everyone knows that. the effort is to reduce it as much as one can, at least for daily purposes. most advanced countries, people don't use as much cash as they do in India. It obviously exists but not circulated. I rarely do a cash transaction in months sometimes, in the US.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:20 pm:       


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vunkle delhi position eti ade ATM and banks about withdrawl,next week trip vundi
Kotha Bangaru Lokam Vachestondhi!!!!!!!!Nammesam
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:19 pm:       


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Where did you get the 20% from btw, and do you guys sincerely believe that we will become cashless....do you know that many developed countries use even more cash than us as a part of GDP....to assume that we will become remove cash of 80% is just foolhardiness..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:18 pm:       

Unkl nee lekka theda koduthundi

Re check
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:13 pm:       

Why do you think they will need to reprint the exact same number of notes? Not more than 20% of the original float will be printed. that was the whole point anyway.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 11:10 pm:       

http://www.livemint.com/Industry/rUtAgBFt9TuqhSDxcVulyJ/RBI- pressed-into-service-to-ease-Rs500-note-shortage.html

RBI presses to print - 1 bn per month - 100 crores * 500 = 50000 crores per month
Nashik and Dewas are printing - 50 lakhs per day, which means 15 crores a month * * 500 = Rs7500 crores per month

So total is around Rs57500 cr/ month

At the end of March, there were 15.7 billion Rs500 notes (amounting to Rs7.85 trillion) in circulation. I am even scared to do the math of how long it takes to get the Rs500 backs in circulation. But garnering some courage, 785000/ 57500 = 13 months...

Assuming all money does not come back and a bunch might move to Rs2000s, it is going to be atleast 5-6 months before there is enough money back in the system.

Ikkademo, adhigo Rs500, idhigo Rs500 ani sampesthonnaru..

Realising the magnitude of the engineered crisis, the govt. is trying to shift the discussion to cashless, digital etc.

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