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Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2016 - 05:48 am:       

vivekanandha sked the same question to Ramakrishna DID U SEE GOD

Ramakrishna said YES

then every day vivekanndha used toa sk Ramakrishna SHOW ME GOD

then using those extra powers Ramakrishna made vivekanandha transcend the external sesory organs and for 5 days vivekanadha was IN THSI WORLD but NOT IN THSI WORLD

in vivek words

..Narendra, because of his Brahmo upbringing, considered it wholly blasphemous to look on man as one with his Creator. One day at the temple garden he laughingly said to a friend: "How silly! This jug is God! This cup is God! Whatever we see is God! And we too are God! Nothing could be more absurd." Sri RK came out of his room and gently touched him. Spellbound, he immediately perceived that everything in the world was indeed God. A new universe opened around him. Returning home in a dazed state, he found there too that the food, the plate, the eater himself, the people around him, were all God. When he walked in the street, he saw that the cabs, the horses, the streams of people, the buildings, were all Brahman. ..... It took him a number of days to recover his normal self. He had a foretaste of the great experiences yet to come and realized that the words of the Vedanta were true.



read vivekanadha experience I his book about that 5 days
 

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Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2016 - 05:38 am:       

am not what u can see.. but what is making u see
i am not what u can hear.. but what is making u hear
i am not what u can smell.. buf what is making u feel it...
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exactly prashant did any one see god ania digaadu thala thoka eni question

dhnaiki idhi answer ..
just pleasures enjoyment ni seek cesthu 80 yrs lead cese life unte ika manaku animals ki theda meiti


asalu pleasure enjoyment ki definition emiti

adhi RELATIVE word kadha

GOD ekkado bayaata ledu ..so u cant see him as person

god is in you

but u cant see god wth in you with senses that u r seeing the outside world i.e mukku chevi kallu etc

u need to get some EXTRA SENSORIES to see god with in you

to get that extra sensor u need to do meditation and eschew every pleasure that thse senses would give u

in aother word U NEED TO CONQUER THOSE SENSES and MAKE THEM U R SLAVE to gain that EXTRA SENSORY perception

i.e these sensory organs oka thick cloud laaga kappi petti unchuthayi mana lo una sun ane extra sensory ni

unless u coquer these enternal sensors and remove the clouds u cants ee sun with in you i.e god}
 

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Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2016 - 05:25 am:       

my 5 stars to thikkasankara
science failed to xplain universe and life formation without using unscientific words like god magic etc etc

so science and god r not mutually exclusive
 

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Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2016 - 02:58 am:       

The whole process of universe formation to life creation to human evolution ni explain chese ey scientist aina, let him not use words like goldilock moment, magical moment etc etc anirvachaneeya padajaalam vaadakunda prove cheyyamanandi.... Then we can start the debate of science and God being mutually exclusive.... Appatidaaka..... Practicality has its place, belief has its place anukuni mundukelladame....

I won't believe what I don't see/feel/taste/grasp ane vaalle andarikante dumbest (sorry) ani naa pragadha opinion.... Both science and belief in God prescribe that there's more beyond our capability to perception.....

Human IQ range is 60-200 dumbest being 60 and the most intelligent ever being 200.... So, there is only as much that we can perceive.... The one that beyond perception of human mind, nethi nethi nethi..... It's something else that you can't grasp....
methavulaki venkayya jawaabu....
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Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2016 - 02:44 am:       


Emc2:

or are you just keep it separate god and science


denidi ade .. two eyes policy annamata .. :P
Team India : NaMo - Parrikar - Gadkari - Prabhu - Piyush - Smriti - Uma Bharti - Sushma
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 03:11 pm:       


Stellar:

naaku ardham kanidi entante god ki emi vastadi ila jananni kapadi, bhaktula vedava korikalu vini, okavela teerchi. emito aa god anandam




http://pravachanam.com/content/gita-chapter-01talk-sv-part-0 07-swami-tatvavidananda - @ 28 mins

the whole pravachanam is super!
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 03:06 pm:       


Emc2:

already confused in inka confuse chesavu,





Zingthing:

... or i could have been wrong in interpreting things... who knows




:-)
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 02:51 pm:       


Kantha_rao:

God vachaaka anni srushtinchaadu ante assalu God ni srushtinchindi evaru/enti ?




thanani thanu srustinchukunnad :D

naaku ardham kanidi entante god ki emi vastadi ila jananni kapadi, bhaktula vedava korikalu vini, okavela teerchi. emito aa god anandam :D
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 02:36 pm:       

assalu god existence elaa ayindi out of no where ? I mean motham sunyam nothing anukundam, daantlonchi God elaa puttadu or puttindi ?

God vachaaka anni srushtinchaadu ante assalu God ni srushtinchindi evaru/enti ?
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 02:29 pm:       


Zingthing:




already confused in inka confuse chesavu,

still trying to understand your exp
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 01:02 pm:       

God people are inclusion people (Except if you don't believe in god, then it's killing time)

Science is precise, so lots of exclusions take place

Science people work for society, god people rule it
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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 12:58 pm:       

Kallu Mossukunte Devudu , Kallu Theristhe Science .. Appudappudu Reppa Veyyali , lekapothe Stress tho Kallu Mandipothai - Divi

baa seppana simple ga.
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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 12:57 pm:       


Emc2:

Elaborate more pls



ante... explain cheyyatamlo konchem weaku but will try
@ time t1 - oka incident 'x' happened in my life
@ time t2 - i am at a juncture where i need to make a decision on some issue 'y'... but that incident 'x' already decided my decision that i need to take on 'y' even though both incidents if i had to look back @ time t0( < t1 < t2 ), i would have wagered that any one of those events to occur is next to impossible events ani let alone both happening... so, alantappudu events and naa decision annadi eppudo decided emo anipistundi... alanti incidents konni jarigaayi... alanti situations ni analyze chesinappudu retro-causality/fatalism character na life lo undemo anipistundi... or i could have been wrong in interpreting things... who knows :-(

Double-slit experiment - https://youtu.be/p-MNSLsjjdo
Quantum eraser experiment - https://youtu.be/8ORLN_KwAgs
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 12:34 pm:       


Simba:

Devudi pooja ku chese rituals ni kooda nammanu. Prodduna lechi madi kattukoni pooja cheyyali, east facing lo koorchovali, prathi devudi ki separate prasadam with recipes... they are all man-made rules




Your post reminded me of a line my son quoted in a conversation...
'Tradition is the corpse of wisdom ' ..not sure who said this originally but it is very apt ...
Traditions were put in place because they were considered good for the time and circumstance .. And hence the wisdom of the times.. Very few of them transcend circumstance and time
When circumstance changes , and no one re-evaluates them, the wisdom makes an exit and all that remains are the rituals ..( the corpse)

But then these fulfil another need - of social activity , bonding etc .. :-) do what makes you happy , ignore the rest

The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 12:25 pm:       

The fundamental understanding of our particle science is far from convincing at the point where energy<>matter transformation takes place

The self ware consciousness that is responsible for this creation, is the supreme and he.she.it is the one who created all the fundamental aspects of science and nature in the entire universe. So he.she.it is always the boss,servant, friend , creator, destroyer @ will everyone and everything
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 12:25 pm:       


Zingthing:




Unkl u r almost there to align with my thought process

Elaborate more pls
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 12:19 pm:       

Taming the Quantum Spooks - Can retrocausality solve the puzzle of action-at-a-distance?
https://aeon.co/essays/can-retrocausality-solve-the-puzzle-o f-action-at-a-distance

I believe in retro-causality -> fatalism :-) - naa jevitham lo konni incidents jarigayi... effects occurred before cause
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 12:05 pm:       


Prasanth:

no one knows whats good and whats bad...




deenni inka koddiga define chesta...
nature lonchi apple/bittergaurd vachayi...okadu apple tinte happy...bittergaurd tinte kastam...adhe madisiki diabetes unte apple tinatam kattam...bittergaurd tinte happy...so there shouldnt be any set of rules as per god...ila undu ila undaka ani..

nature ane god ni pursue cheyatam maanesi manam mana time/effort antha kooda man made gods/concepts kosam invest chestunnam which is wrong ani naa yokka adi idi...

sabarimala kaani tirupathi kaani leka vere edaina crowded place lo janaalu pranaalu pothe it really pains...we are going after things that we are not sure on...these places are spiritual places and we need to visit these places as per our convenience....daaniki time petti...muhurtam pettatam pitchi..
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:51 am:       

rendu rojulu food maanesi vachi postandi, if you remembered science or god.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:48 am:       


Emc2:


This is what Yogis seek. How can we go beyond the realm of mind into realm of awareness? What is the source of 'I'? What is the eternal in us that is staying constant while all the cells of the body are being regenerated?

Biologists are trying to understand life from a different angle
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:45 am:       

EMC read Khuran , Bible , and FML they also may have some useful information.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:38 am:       

@emc - read upanishads.. there is some good books.. theory is not all complicated..practice is hard..

basic i guess is what is inside u is what is inside all.. hat is the driving force.. now to find what is inside u.. ur body that makes it living and non living.. try to find it..
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:34 am:       


Moodu_mukkalu:




babalu cheppinattu chepthunnaru,

this doesn't help

gali ni chudalemu kani undi, ilanti theories vini vini alisipoyanu
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:33 am:       


Simba:

Prodduna lechi madi kattukoni pooja cheyyali, east facing lo koorchovali, prathi devudi ki separate prasadam with recipes... they are all man-made rules. All you need is have a clean heart and pray, whenever wherever you want. I am sure God wouldn't mind.




LOL. What makes you think that nature/universe gives a damn about pure heart?? All morals are man made
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:32 am:       


Cocanada:

Searching for God is nothing but quest to figure out THE TRUTH. Which is what science is doing




exactly, apart from humanity, manchipanulu, egos, fighting etc.. asalu what are we

manaki manam telusu kovali antaru ,
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:32 am:       


Emc2:




dont kochen but find the answer.. answer is inside u.. not outside.. stop looking outside.. focus inside for what u r/we r
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:30 am:       

@simba - all acharams etc got in place for purity only.. not all can focus when the room is messy/untidy.. they r not fresh etc.. thats where madi acharam etc kicked it.. to have the heart pure they say keep ur surroundings.. keep ur self physically clean and healthy.. and its easy to focus etc.. but yea if u can get their without all these.. should be ok..
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:28 am:       


Prasanth:




apart from what you said, what is the source for all this creation and dying

what are we?
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:26 am:       


Prasanth:

naa casette, naa religion naa bongu naa boshanam ani kakunda nature has given the whole world for us to enjoy...but we are enjoying only a VERY SMALL part of it...we dont explore...manam mana family anukuntu HEAVEN ni HELL chesukuntaam...




good one... should be eye opener for some...

btw..

i am not what u can see.. but what is making u see
i am not what u can hear.. but what is making u hear
i am not what u can smell.. buf what is making u feel it...

look jnside for that power life energy godwhat you may want to call it.. u will know ani upanishads septhunnayee
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:23 am:       

Searching for God is nothing but quest to figure out THE TRUTH. Which is what science is doing

I feel scientists obsessed with unified theories that can explain everything are infact people of faith.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:21 am:       


Stellar:

pray cheyakapothe problem aa god ki ?


Nope. I am just describing in context of rituals. You are free to pray or not. No God will object.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:17 am:       


Simba:

All you need is have a clean heart and pray, whenever wherever you want. I am sure God wouldn't mind.




pray cheyakapothe problem aa god ki ? enduku mana maanana manalni vadileyadu :-)
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:17 am:       


Prasanth:

all it matters is protecting the real thing "NATURE"...experience the life...make it happy as much as possible...leave things that wont give you happiness...dont live in hell..


One thing I believe is travelling with open heart make a difference.

Entha sepu mana valla madhya time spend chese kante... travel to remote places. get to know their culture, try their food, read about them. It gives a good perspective on diversity across skin color, religion or any other segregation.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:14 am:       


Prasanth:


very well said. I have similar opinion on God.

Kanipinchani devudi kosam kalla mundu unna vallani discriminate cheyyatam khndistanu.

Devudi pooja ku chese rituals ni kooda nammanu. Prodduna lechi madi kattukoni pooja cheyyali, east facing lo koorchovali, prathi devudi ki separate prasadam with recipes... they are all man-made rules. All you need is have a clean heart and pray, whenever wherever you want. I am sure God wouldn't mind.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:10 am:       


Emc2:

how many of you correlate science with god,




science is real. God is imaginary
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:07 am:       

God is an Ultimate power and this science is just a sub system under that.

konni guddi ga nammali endhukante avi eppatiki kanapadav kaabatti ..so I believe God as super power.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:05 am:       


Prasanth:



You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
~Friedrich Nietzsche
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:02 am:       


Bumper:

micro organisam ante what if we find ebola kind of virus which we cant find a cure to face it. uhinchukuntene terrible undi




human fight with Virus in ever on-going. We find a cure and then virus develops & reforms itself.

But Alien life dorakatam valla chala help avochu Science ki, on how they might have formed, how long since they survived and the atmosphere over there. Is it following same evolution as Earth life.
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 11:00 am:       


Emc2:

ee passion sintha kayalaki no limit and temporary

we need to achive ultimate goal,




if thats your goal pursue it vunkl :d.

We will lose life if we start with the quechen "is there an ultimate truth" ani na meaning.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:58 am:       


Prasanth:

from the perspective of god


*science
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:56 am:       

i have my own religion and belief system...
science is evolving and not complete...so it is still a blackbox
same is the case with existence of god...the concept of god is again a blackbox...no one has seen the god, no one knows whats good and whats bad...it keeps changing...one cannot really define god from the perspective of god...both cannot be tied as they are different subjects...god meeda books like bhagavatgeeta/quran/bible ni kooda nammanu...they are all same man made with his limited knowledge/understanding of life...god pustakam ichadu anatam is murkhatvam...iste vachi nenu icha ani athane cheptaadu ga madyalo ee mullahs swamis enduku?

so I define religion in my own way...I havent seen the god or the evil...and no one alive or dead has seen the heaven or the hell, anyway the dead cannot speak their experience...

so puzzle la untaadi god concept...edo undi ani uhinchukuni daani kosam sramapadi...pujalu cheyatam gullaki mokkatam...naana vyaya prayasalu korchi oka concept ni nammukuni manam oka gadi geesukuni aa giri daatakunda brathakatam is MURKHATVAM ani naa feeling of africa..

there isnt any god that I know, or that I have seen...therefore I will believe in what I see...what I see is gaali nippu neeru...this is permanent...this stays long...some force has given us life to experience these and understand chesukuni life ni exeprience cheyamani ardam ani naa feeling...

so the real things are NATURE and LIFE...So Nature is god..it has given you life...aa life is about 60-80yrs...aa life ni enni gallu(boxes) geesukuni, ee life ane journey lo enni mullu vesukuni brathukutaavo defines the HELL...we are already in heaven ani naa feeling of africa...

naa casette, naa religion naa bongu naa boshanam ani kakunda nature has given the whole world for us to enjoy...but we are enjoying only a VERY SMALL part of it...we dont explore...manam mana family anukuntu HEAVEN ni HELL chesukuntaam...

naaku ardamayinanduku nature ni follow avvi ee 60-80years ni enjoy cheyatame HEAVEN...daanlo mullu esukunte adhe HELL...so inka vere demudu deyyam emundadu...

alaane inko concept anukunta untaa....the number of species on a whole is a constant number ani..anyway lite

Do things that make you happy because that way you are living in heaven...dont die for religion/god...because then you have already wasted your life in heaven and made it hell...
ee religious sculptures chadavatam daani kosame life antha cheyatam kooda pitchi anipistadi...because you are spending your life on a bunch of rules that no one knows who created it...

all it matters is protecting the real thing "NATURE"...experience the life...make it happy as much as possible...leave things that wont give you happiness...dont live in hell..

pitchi anukunte vadileyandi...edho teddu chudagaane kakkalani pinchindi..
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:56 am:       

Telisindi gorantha teliyandi kondantha .... B to the A to the B to the A.... BABA....
methavulaki venkayya jawaabu....
https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
 

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Mental_sachinodu:




ee passion sintha kayalaki no limit and temporary

we need to achive ultimate goal,
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:54 am:       


Chanakya:

Alien life ante cinema lo chupinche laga weird animals kadu even micro organism also alien life ee if found in universe




micro organisam ante what if we find ebola kind of virus which we cant find a cure to face it. uhinchukuntene terrible undi.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:53 am:       


Bumper:




memory ki photos ki link ante , memory is liked as a photon ani kavi bhavam,

ence photons are entangled any state change in one photon will reflect in another photos

ante micro level lo mana memory and poorva janam kuda ala relate ayi untada ani oka thought
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:52 am:       


Emc2:

what do we need to do



realize time is limited, life is precious, science and God are a product of our minds, and follow your passions. anthak minsi eti seyyalem
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:50 am:       

Science has to evolve a lot, i think finding alien life will be that breakthrough for science (long shot anipinchochu but it might happen faster than we think)

Alien life ante cinema lo chupinche laga weird animals kadu even micro organism also alien life ee if found in universe.

ika religion gurinchi enta takuva matladithe anta manchidi while dealing with Universe. A religion mostly applies to the land where it has originated.
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
~Friedrich Nietzsche
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:43 am:       


Emc2:



krishna bilam!!
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:41 am:       


Emc2:

one photon connected to another photon in long distances can communicate instantaneously, even if it is billions of light years away

so naku ardham kanidi entante, is re birth and memory of previous janma all this true based on quantum entanglement




asalu memory ki photon ki link enti vnkle?? is it memory calalucated based on photons??
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:38 am:       

lets say about quantum entanglement,

one photon connected to another photon in long distances can communicate instantaneously, even if it is billions of light years away

so naku ardham kanidi entante, is re birth and memory of previous janma all this true based on quantum entanglement
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:35 am:       

i dont care much....i live like an animal :-O
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:34 am:       

naku ippatiki ardam kadu.. what is the source of energy in the universe..
Pandulu drainaige guntalo undi matladukuntai anta.. Chi Chi Manushulu ala ela untaru.. chi chi..
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:33 am:       

God Vs Science kadu God is Science and Science is God
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:33 am:       

konchem telugu lo adugu annai..
 

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Posted on Friday, September 23, 2016 - 10:32 am:       

how many of you correlate science with god,

or how many of you try to find an answers about the gods existence with science

or are you guys believe in god blindly?

or are you just keep it separate god and science

what do we need to do,

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