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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 02:55 pm:       


Dhonifan:



neeku KCR ki teda emundhi if you dont have opinion on justice to all. more irrigation was concenterated as water in telnagana is at lower level than land. it costs more to pump them. technology is emerging. what if there is low cost solution in near future and TG want to exercise it?
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 02:50 pm:       

state water denkeyali entha korikooo..jai ycp jai jai ycp
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 02:49 pm:       


Ramramesh:

exisiting aycut ki isthaaru first.



mari kotha states ki matti ena? take case of cauveri. british did arm twist Muysore kings and granted themselves bigger share of water. KN eppatiki ala mosapothu undala?

Ramramesh:

YCP peru naam saardhakam chestunnaru...AP loo vundi AP notlo matti kottalanu kune vallani traitors anocchaa? endo antha kaksha AP meeda?!



CBn fan anipinchukunnavu. prathi dhanilonu rajakeyyamu vena? PHD sesavu annavu. kanisamu ne opinion frank ga? how will justify the injustice to a state. Should not water be shared according to the proportion of catchment/basin/lenght of the rvier in that state. what is a justifiable position.

ne intipakkane vavi undhi but eppudo me thathala nadu dhanilo chembudu neelu teesukovali ani ioppandamu. It is avalid at that time as you might have only 1 family member. ippudu neeku 6 members vunanru. adhe rule continue cheyyala anatamu correct
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 02:44 pm:       


Jai_ycp:

a) already ayicut vunna area ki water vadalakapotamu tappu. alagani eppudo 100 years back oka region li leni technology, capabilities or political reasons valla anyayam jarigithe adhi contunue avvala?




YCP peru naam saardhakam chestunnaru...AP loo vundi AP notlo matti kottalanu kune vallani traitors anocchaa? endo antha kaksha AP meeda?!
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 02:42 pm:       


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polavaram aithe andhra ki issue em ledu. but, whether or not polavaram is built or not. its time for re-evaluation of krishna share anede na point. if that means, loss to AP, they have to search for alternatives for compensating.




sare...rammantaaru vongo daaniki AP jaanaalu....!!

Lift irrigation viable aa power deficits vunna states ki? life operation cost is 30000 rs per acre to be irrigated....
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 02:38 pm:       


Jai_ycp:

forget about our reaction. what was your take on how the waters should be shared. existing ayicut ki importance or redistribution based on some parameter such as length of the rivier flowing or basin or catchment area etc.




eppudaina exisiting aycut ki isthaaru first...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 02:32 pm:       


Wellsfargo:

AP people and TG people itlanti picchi veshalu veyyaru




forget about our reaction. what was your take on how the waters should be shared. existing ayicut ki importance or redistribution based on some parameter such as length of the rivier flowing or basin or catchment area etc.
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
http://goo.gl/gn6XL5
the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 12:51 pm:       

andhrolla kutra ani edvaneeki issue ne kaavaalaa?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 12:41 pm:       


Abhysg:

WE ALL ARE BROTHERS.. WE DON'T FIGHT..




.. as long as AP janal on losing side..right? :D
Dharmam gelavani Chota... Tappadhu Kathula veta ... thappu oppedho.. samharam tarvatha !!
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 12:30 pm:       

WE ALL ARE BROTHERS.. WE DON'T FIGHT..
Jagan, CBN la case lu hyd lo unnantha varaku godavalu avvavu..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 12:17 pm:       


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and AP ki best solution Polavaram...adi complete chesthe, T krishna water ekkuva vadukunna problem vundadu...AP ki krishna water meeda dependency baaga taggipothundi.....




Idhi jargani pani polavaram vunna ap ki vunna allocation ni vadulukodu

T govt aduguthundhi new state kadha krishna allocation ni review cheyyamani

Adhi jaragadhu ippudalla, jarigithe migatha states vallu addu pulla vestharu

Andhuke mukkod maharatra ki bend ayyi godavari meedha barrages kattukuntunnad, krishna meedha hopes vadulukuni

Tungabadhra flow kurnool nunchi krishna lo kalusthundhi srisailam daggara

Rayalaseema lo river flow leka potam enti

Future lo inko project pipeline lo vundhi, adhi dpr ready chesthantene harish rao godava chesadu

Gravity tho kurnool melaganuru daggara tungabdhra nunchi neellu tecchu kovacchu

Manaki polavaram okkati complete ayithe state swaroopam maruddhi
yov packet sniffer.. ee tool amma adhi...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 12:11 pm:       

AP people and TG people itlanti picchi veshalu veyyaru ani naa opinion. Ippatiki TG ni enni sarlu high court mottikayalu vesindi. Not even in a single instance TG government defied court orders. Nachina nachaka poyina follow avutharu.

Polavaram complete aithe andhra, Nalgonda and Khammam set aipothayii. ee karnataka, TN antha racists kaadu telugu people.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 11:06 am:       


Platypus:

Krishna and Godavari are surplus basins.



krishna is not..
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 11:04 am:       


Saint:

catchment area ekkuva andhra lo vundi




but catchment area ki taggattu TG is not using water anedhi point. for cauveri also, catchment or basin area is big in TN. But KN ki 1990 varakau only 23% water allocation chesaru even rthough 42% catchment is there where as TN gets 75% of water with 52% catchment area.

Monthly allocations are different. it is implementation. setup tribunals or authorities to monitor daily an take action are best bet.


Siloan:

andhra ki matti kottali antunnava ?



orni. andhra ani kadhu. what is the right way to do in these cases. both sides have equal valid points

a) already ayicut vunna area ki water vadalakapotamu tappu. alagani eppudo 100 years back oka region li leni technology, capabilities or political reasons valla anyayam jarigithe adhi contunue avvala?
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
http://goo.gl/gn6XL5
the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 11:02 am:       


Saint:

catchment area ekkuva andhra lo vundi...river flowing kooda ekkuva andhra lo vundi at the same time utilization kooda ekkuva andhra lone vundi...



lets put in numbers. historical ga first-user adv undi kabatti, catchment area ekkuva undochu. present scenario lo, allocation and implementation procedures need to be re-evaluated.
now that, TG and AP are separated, its all the more important to re-evaluate tribunal verdict.

Saint:

T and AP ki best solution Polavaram...adi complete chesthe, T krishna water ekkuva vadukunna problem vundadu...AP ki krishna water meeda dependency baaga taggipothundi.....



polavaram aithe andhra ki issue em ledu. but, whether or not polavaram is built or not. its time for re-evaluation of krishna share anede na point. if that means, loss to AP, they have to search for alternatives for compensating.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:58 am:       


Siloan:

andhra ki matti kottali antunnava ?



evadiki matti kottedi em ledu. eppatikappudu, allocation ni re-evaluate cheskovali. eppudo, british time rules ni inka apply cheyali, otherwise andhra ki matti kottinatte ante.. yes, it is.
whether we like it or not.. every region will demand equal share and equal treatment. people aspirations have gone up.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:57 am:       


Boston_baba:



thats implementation problem. first thing is allocation. there itself, status quo need to be questioned. and then, implementation (timing and quantity of release etc) shall be looked into. upper riparian states are always taking advantage while releasing water.

ycp bhayya annattu, river flowing area ratio lo chuste, TG ki allocation ekkuva ravali and danni implement chesukune technology ippudu vachidi (tunnels and lift power). so, future is going to be exciting. in same way, seema people will demand more water, (may be same treatment as krishna delta)




catchment area ekkuva andhra lo vundi...river flowing kooda ekkuva andhra lo vundi at the same time utilization kooda ekkuva andhra lone vundi...

future lo hyderabad ki water ivvaru krishna nunchi....or chala problems create avuthayi...

T and AP ki best solution Polavaram...adi complete chesthe, T krishna water ekkuva vadukunna problem vundadu...AP ki krishna water meeda dependency baaga taggipothundi.....

seema vallaki kastame papam....river flowing area takkuva...krishna meeda chala takkuva allocation vasthundi...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:56 am:       


Boston_baba:

ycp bhayya annattu, river flowing area ratio lo chuste, TG ki allocation ekkuva ravali and danni implement chesukune technology ippudu vachidi (tunnels and lift power).



andhra ki matti kottali antunnava ?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:54 am:       


Saint:

No mama...wrong...

problem ekkada ante, KA / MH ellu vala quota ful ayye daka release cheyyam ani kurchukuntaru...ante varadalu vachi, motham dams full ipoyi overflow ipothe appudu release chestharu....

ippudu rainfall below avg vunte, aa year ee situation arise avvadu so vaadu ala thokki pattesi, oct/nov lo koddiga vadulthadu....


each week/each month allocation basis meeda elthe tappa downstreams vallaki nyayam jaragadu...




thats implementation problem. first thing is allocation. there itself, status quo need to be questioned. and then, implementation (timing and quantity of release etc) shall be looked into. upper riparian states are always taking advantage while releasing water.

ycp bhayya annattu, river flowing area ratio lo chuste, TG ki allocation ekkuva ravali and danni implement chesukune technology ippudu vachidi (tunnels and lift power). so, future is going to be exciting. in same way, seema people will demand more water, (may be same treatment as krishna delta)
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:52 am:       


Saint:

next 10 years lo idi avvvaka pothe krishna delta motham edari avuddi




2019 elections time ki graphics kaakunda real picture soopakapothe...jaggadiki malla 60+ vasthai
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:51 am:       


Siloan:

polavaram ye margam


next 10 years lo idi avvvaka pothe krishna delta motham edari avuddi
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:50 am:       


Bharat:

TN benefited a lot because of the Britishers. They are also taking advantage of a British agreement between TN & Kerala.




allu ellu ani ledu le brother..water vishayam lo evvaru ina alane vuntaru...downstreams vallu enjoy chesaru upstreams lo projects lenappudu....danni base chesukuni projects kattaru...

catchment area ni, pravahinche area ni batti share itchi, daniki taggatte projects kattukomanali......krishna meeda migulu jalalu (overflows) prathi padika meeda konni projects kattaru....repu water saripoka raka pothe, paina vunnadi valladi tappu kaadu kadaa?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:49 am:       


Saint:

KA / MH ellu vala quota ful ayye daka release cheyyam ani kurchukuntaru



Something needs to be done regarding this. Every year they are getting almost full quota and still they were awarded a share in Surplus in the latest tribunal award.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:49 am:       

polavaram ye margam
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:47 am:       

TN benefited a lot because of the Britishers. They are also taking advantage of a British agreement between TN & Kerala.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:47 am:       


Platypus:

Oka big difference. Cauvery is a deficit basin. Krishna and Godavari are surplus basins.


malli uppulo kalesav platy...krishan kooda deficit basin yee..0 wastage unless catchment kinda areas lo varadalu vasthe tappa...

godavari surplus and not using more than 60-70% water...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:46 am:       


Boston_baba:


Krishna allocation lo kuda, eppudo delta ki allocation ekkuva undi kabatti, ippatiki aa formula use chestunnaru.

now, TG builds lifts & SLBC on Krishna, it can consume more water and will cause friction in future & same will be issue with seema and andhra. that way, polavaram comes to the rescue of Andhra.




No mama...wrong...

problem ekkada ante, KA / MH ellu vala quota ful ayye daka release cheyyam ani kurchukuntaru...ante varadalu vachi, motham dams full ipoyi overflow ipothe appudu release chestharu....

ippudu rainfall below avg vunte, aa year ee situation arise avvadu so vaadu ala thokki pattesi, oct/nov lo koddiga vadulthadu....


each week/each month allocation basis meeda elthe tappa downstreams vallaki nyayam jaragadu...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:45 am:       

Oka big difference. Cauvery is a deficit basin. Krishna and Godavari are surplus basins.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:42 am:       

perfect bhayya. resonates with my thoughts.

Krishna allocation lo kuda, eppudo delta ki allocation ekkuva undi kabatti, ippatiki aa formula use chestunnaru.

now, TG builds lifts & SLBC on Krishna, it can consume more water and will cause friction in future & same will be issue with seema and andhra. that way, polavaram comes to the rescue of Andhra.
true fight of raviprakash and shivaji - https://www.facebook.com/PoliticalPunch.info/videos/14412902 02553832/
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/tdp-claims-denied-by-its-own-budget/article6336996.ece
1991- AP debt 22% of GSDP, 2004 - 34% of GSDP, 2014 - 22% of GSDP.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:36 am:       

good kotuku savandi doola teeripotundi.
...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 - 10:23 am:       

i read more about cauveri dispute and it has all the ingredients for precedence of water war between AP and TG. For starters

1) cauvery starts in coorg (karnataka) and flows through TN, Kerala and Pondicherry
2) basin area in karnataka (42%) is less than in tamilnadu (54%)
3) agreement was made to consume more water for madras presidency during british ragime in 1870s between madras presidency and mysore state. British due to thier power arm twisted mysore kings. Other problem is at that time mysore does not have capacity to build large dams as british india.
4) based on old allocation 1892 and 1924, TN gets 75% of water, KN 23.5%, Kearala 1.5%. TN gives some water to pondicherry for drinking purposes. see the blatant misallocation for KN as basin is 42% but they get only 23%
5) TN already setup ayucut based on this allocation. KN wants to increase it share. SC and tribunal are asking it not to increase its ayicut.
6) 2007 tribunal divided like this : TN 58%, KN 37%, kerala 4% and Pondicherry 1%. Both states did not like it.


very similar to AP and TG. Ap uses more water than TG based on past allocations. If in future TG wants to use more water, will weface same situation
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
http://goo.gl/gn6XL5
the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu

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