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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 10:33 pm:       

Arabs kanna ekkuva contribute chesindhi ancient indians like Aaryabhatta,Charaka,Susrutha,Brahmagupta,Bhaskaracharya etc..

Mari manam endhuku thaggali.

Science pakkana pedithe antha sampadha unchukuni kooda E arabs kaneesam saati pedha muslim countries ki kooda chesindhi chaala thakkuva.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 10:28 pm:       

modern science matuku christian/islam inspired science ee>>>>

Vaatini reject chesthu vachina kottha knowledge ye science ayyindhi.

Galileo best example.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 02:36 pm:       


Vjavasi:

ike? the word mathematics itself has christian theological origins...it came out with an obsession about perfect laws of god governing universe....The philosophical origins of modern science is christian as the clergy men wanted to understand perfect laws imposed by god on universe

Nothing starts from vaccume in any culture or religion, there is always continuity, it was christian clergy men who borrowed from Greek civilization, Arabs and vastly expanded the knowledge base of modern science


as it is ga tiragesi rasukondi. pre-christian, pre-greek sciences were developed , pagan culture(anything that was not greek or christian was denoted as pagan). Christianity borrowed very heavily from happenings around itself and so was greek civilization. So to attribute development of sciences to any one region is not right. Human evolution was aided by science that was prevalent at that time /
In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 01:59 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

and the method of science, are anti-thesis of religious texts as they do not fall under these methods.





like? the word mathematics itself has christian theological origins...it came out with an obsession about perfect laws of god governing universe....The philosophical origins of modern science is christian as the clergy men wanted to understand perfect laws imposed by god on universe

Nothing starts from vaccume in any culture or religion, there is always continuity, it was christian clergy men who borrowed from Greek civilization, Arabs and vastly expanded the knowledge base of modern science
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 01:52 pm:       

anyway last post in this thread .

any thing rooted in science cannot claim that its the final truth. If any books are scientific in nature, they are supposed to be editable, if not they fail the first test. anyone who says they are the truth, and claim they are fooling themselves
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 01:47 pm:       


Vjavasi:

Hindu science ki antha moolam vedalu ayyinappudu.....christian, islamic science ki moolam bible, koran enduku avvakoodadhu.....vedallo science vundho ledho telavadhu kaani....modern science matuku christian/islam inspired science ee




is this supposed to be a deduction?
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 01:46 pm:       


Vjavasi:

Basic foundations for modern science were laid by many christian clergy men




vunkl,

Basic foundations are rooted in much earlier civilizations. the philosophy behind "Science", and the method of science, are anti-thesis of religious texts as they do not fall under these methods.

if a few religious people made scientific contributions, it is not because of the their religion, unless the source is the religion they believe in.

anyone who argues against does not understand what science is.

its like saying if i touch fire, my skin burns. so do not touch fire is science.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 01:44 pm:       

Hindu science ki antha moolam vedalu ayyinappudu.....christian, islamic science ki moolam bible, koran enduku avvakoodadhu.....vedallo science vundho ledho telavadhu kaani....modern science matuku christian/islam inspired science ee
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 01:35 pm:       


Vjavasi:



In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 01:34 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

Its like attributing nuclear physics developments to Bible.





Basic foundations for modern science were laid by many christian clergy men
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 01:19 pm:       

article has many half truths.

ippudu vopika ledhu.

anyway - the point to be noted here is the scientific cotributions are not due to Islam - its about few folks intellectual contribution.

Its like attributing nuclear physics developments to Bible.

Anyway not saying Arabs did nothing. Islam and Arab are not the same, Arabic civilization did not start with Islam.

Anyway, even in the article although the author mentions that almost everything they did has basis in other cultures, somehow potrays that they enhanced things significantly.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 12:57 pm:       


Vjavasi:

A 100 years old American history book written by an American has the following passages on Arab civilization


MATHEMATICS AND ASTRONOMY




andulo manavi vaallu vallavi ani seppukoni sale chesi untar kada :D
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 12:54 pm:       

This is the authors's comment on Arabs


The great Moslem cities of Bagdad, Damascus, Cairo, and Cordova were not only seats of government for the
different divisions of the Arabian Empire; they were also the centers of Arabian civilization. The conquests of the
Arabs had brought them into contact with highly developed peoples whose culture they absorbed and to some
extent improved. They owed most to Persia and, after Persia, to Greece, through the empire at Constantinople,
In their hands there was somewhat the same fusion of East and West as Alexander the Great had sought to
accomplish. [23] Greek science and philosophy mingled with the arts of Persia and other Oriental lands. Arabian
civilization, for about four centuries under the Ommiad and Abbasid caliphs, far surpassed anything to be found
in western Europe.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 12:36 pm:       

Ye civilization ki aina past brambandanga untadi but current situation is more important n relevant
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
~Friedrich Nietzsche
 

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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 12:34 pm:       

Arabs have hugely contributed to modern maths, alzebra,algorithm all these are words with arabic roots....they have contributed to modern medicine

A 100 years old American history book written by an American has the following passages on Arab civilization
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AGRICULTURE
Many improvements in agriculture were due to the Arabs. They had a good system of irrigation, practiced
rotation of crops, employed fertilizers, and understood how to graft and produce new varieties of plants and
fruits. From the Arabs we have received cotton, flax, hemp, buckwheat, rice, sugar cane, and coffee, various
vegetables, including asparagus, artichokes, and beans, and such fruits as melons, oranges, lemons, apricots, and
plums.

MANUFACTURING
The Arabs excelled in various manufactures. Damascus was famous for its brocades, tapestries, and blades of
tempered steel. The Moorish cities in Spain had also their special productions: Cordova, leather; Toledo, armor;
and Granada, rich silks. Arab craftsmen taught the Venetians to make crystal and plate glass. The work of Arab
potters and weavers was at once the admiration and despair of its imitators in western Europe. The Arabs knew
the secrets of dyeing and they made a kind of paper. Their textile fabrics and articles of metal were distinguished
for beauty of design and perfection of workmanship. European peoples during the early Middle Ages received
the greater part of their manufactured articles of luxury through the Arabs. [24]

COMMERCE
The products of Arab farms and workshops were carried far and wide throughout medieval lands. The Arabs
were keen merchants, and Mohammed had expressly encouraged commerce by declaring it agreeable to God.
The Arabs traded with India, China, the East Indies (Java and Sumatra), the interior of Africa, Russia, and even
with the Baltic lands. Bagdad, which commanded both land and water routes, was the chief center of this
commerce, but other cities of western Asia, North Africa, and Spain shared in its advantages. The bazaar, or
merchants' quarter, was found in every Moslem city.

GEOGRAPHICAL KNOWLEDGE
The trade of the Arabs, their wide conquests, and their religious pilgrimages to Mecca vastly increased their
knowledge of the world. They were the best geographers of the Middle Ages. An Abbasid caliph, the son of
Harun-al-Rashid, had the Greek Geography of Ptolemy [25] translated into Arabic and enriched the work with
illuminated maps. Arab scholars compiled encyclopedias describing foreign countries and peoples, constructed
celestial spheres, and measured closely the arc of the meridian in order to calculate the size of the earth. There is
some reason to believe that the mariner's compass was first introduced into Europe by the Arabs. The
geographical knowledge of Christian peoples during the Middle Ages owed much, indeed, to their Moslem
forerunners.

EDUCATION
Schools and universities flourished in Moslem lands when Christian Europe was still in the "Dark Ages." The
largest institution of learning was at Cairo, where the lectures of the professors were attended by thousands of
students. Famous universities also existed in Bagdad and Cordova. Moslem scholars especially delighted in the
study of philosophy. Arabic translations of Aristotle's [26] writings made the ideas of that great thinker familiar to
the students of western Europe, where the knowledge of Greek had all but died out. The Arabs also formed
extensive libraries of many thousands of manuscripts, all carefully arranged and catalogued. Their libraries and
universities, especially in Spain, were visited by many Christians, who thus became acquainted with Moslem
learning and helped to introduce it into Europe.

CHEMISTRY AND MEDICINE
The Arabs have been considered to be the founders of modern experimental science. They were relatively skillful
chemists, for they discovered a number of new compounds (such as alcohol, aqua regia, nitric acid, and
corrosive sublimate) and understood the preparation of mercury and of various oxides of metals. In medicine the
Arabs based their investigations on those of the Greeks, [27] but made many additional contributions to the art
of healing. They studied physiology and hygiene, dissected the human body, performed difficult surgical
operations, used anaesthetics, and wrote treatises on such diseases as measles and smallpox. Arab medicine and
surgery were studied by the Christian peoples of Europe throughout the later period of the Middle Ages.

MATHEMATICS AND ASTRONOMY
The Arabs had a strong taste for mathematics. Here again they carried further the old Greek investigations. In
arithmetic they used the so- called "Arabic" figures, which were probably borrowed from India. The Arabic
numerals gradually supplanted in western Europe the awkward Roman numerals. In geometry the Arabs added
little to Euclid, but algebra is practically their creation. An Arabic treatise on algebra long formed the textbook of
the subject in the universities of Christian Europe. Spherical trigonometry and conic sections are Arabic
inventions. This mathematical knowledge enabled the Arabs to make considerable progress in astronomy.
Observatories at Bagdad and Damascus were erected as early as the ninth century. Some of the astronomical
instruments which they constructed, including the sextant and the gnomon, are still in use. [28]

ROMANCE AND POETRY
In prose and verse there are two Moslem productions which have attained wide popularity in European lands.
The first work is the Thousand and One Nights, a collection of tales written in Arabic and describing life and
manners at the court of the Abbasids. The book, as we now have it, seems to have been composed as late as
the fifteenth century, but it borrows much from earlier Arabic sources. Many of the tales are of Indian or Persian
origin, but all have a thoroughly Moslem coloring. The second work is the Rubáiyát of the astronomer-poet of
Persia, Omar Khayyam, who wrote about the beginning of the twelfth century. His Rubáiyát is a little volume of
quatrains, about five hundred in all, distinguished for wit, satirical power, and a vein of melancholy, sometimes
pensive, sometimes passionate. These characteristics of Omar's poetry have made it widely known in the
western world. [29]

ARCHITECTURE
Painting and sculpture owe little to the Arabs, but their architecture, based in part on Byzantine and Persian
models, reached a high level of excellence. Swelling domes, vaulted roofs, arched porches, tall and graceful
minarets, and the exquisite decorative patterns known as "arabesques" make many Arab buildings miracles of
beauty. Glazed tiles, mosaics, and jeweled glass were extensively used for ornamentation. From the first the
Arab builders adopted the pointed arch; they introduced it into western Europe; and it became a characteristic
feature of Gothic cathedrals. [30] Among the best-known of Arab buildings are the so-called "Mosque of Omar"
at Jerusalem, [31] the Great Mosque of Cordova, and that architectural gem, the Alhambra at Granada. Many
features of Moorish art were taken over by the Spaniards, who reproduced them in the cathedrals and missions
of Mexico and California.

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