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Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2016 - 06:28 am:       

will get back tonight.
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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 07:46 pm:       


Chillarodu:


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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 04:44 pm:       

Extreme left and right is just perception.
Tomorrow if someone makes it much further left or right then you will know today how close left and right are to the center.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 04:13 pm:       


Anand_n:

I have to sign off too ttyl




Welcome byaack..

chaala rojula taruvatha meeru posting :-)
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 04:09 pm:       


Pplsuck:




So true boss. Somehow intellectuals have painted that a centrist view and/or a no opinion view is better than extremes. But they are also just opinions same as extremes. Just like a leftist worries that majority are not listening to his version so that the centrists are.
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
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the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 03:39 pm:       


Anand_n:

No we are not :-)



Anand_n:

I am solidly on DV's page




damn....katha malli modatikochchindi........DV is having problem with right and left poles....he doesnt want them....if he advocates more poles like you, then he shud not have problem with left and right....they are just like the center u guys want..u all are birds of same feather....just different poles....what is his rants all about? see below....

>>>
How I long for the times when everything was not bracketed at the extremes and there used to be a middle ground.
>>>>


Anand_n:

I want more poles between the extreme left and extreme right so those voices




srsly?...is this the agenda?......having more poles?......poles form as they are needed........anthey gaani ee pole forming goals and demands enti?.......


Anand_n:

without being painted in black or white extremes :-)




those who want to paint will always paint...just look at crookjiwal...how he paints PM as psychopath.....I am sure u disagree with such painters......

why shud it bother you what they paint?

BTW, what if sometimes extreme right and extreme left is what makes sense?.........or shud they never be correct?.......and only centrist agenda shud be embraced?.......ee centrist ideology driven pole forming goals sound as good and exactly like left and right.........
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 03:03 pm:       

Where is the Right wing voice on Indian TV? Most of the channels are Pro-congress/Left/secular..There are some Huge-left to not so left channels.

There is actually HUGE demand for something like FOX, unabashedly Right wing,who ever comes with that will make millions.

On social media, it is quite opposite, Right wingers are very active in twitter/Facebook, The pro-left media sometimes is forced to take online narrative for their own survival, otherwise they would have happily ignored.

Congress can invest in employing some online trolls to counter Right wing tweeps to drive the online narrative too.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 02:50 pm:       


Pplsuck:

we are on the same page




No we are not :-)

I am solidly on DV's page ... I want more poles between the extreme left and extreme right so those voices can be heard by people to help them arrive at their conclusions .. And allow people to take different stances on different subjects ..and shift to their right or left based on how they see things without being painted in black or white extremes :-)

I have to sign off too :-) ttyl

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 02:04 pm:       


Filmbuff:

Is that what you were able to glean from the long piece..what DV was writing about was the missing middle which has been a trend not just in India but across the world whether it be the US, UK and many other countries. Fans on either side can't fathom that there are people who are intellectually non-hidebound to any side but only to the side of what is appropriate for the cause. "Freethinkers" is the term that is used to refer to people like this.

However, it is not right on DV's part to say that this is a recent trend. Till date there has not been such a virulent opposition to Congress that merited such a strong line being drawn in the sand. But now with the fate of the Congress being poised at the abyss, they need to take these extremes. So the current pole positions are largely influenced by the prevailing political scenario.




I think its more of a recent trend. Previously, there used to be consensus across party lines for some things. In recent years opposition says everything that the ruling party does is wrong...every few years roles get reversed and the same drama repeats even when they are trying to accomplish the same thing.

In US, i have read that a couple of decades back most bills used to have support from some members of the opposition party and opposition from some members of the ruling party. These days voting is strictly on party lines.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:54 pm:       

One last post.....hopefully :D.......

Gagu,

it is not fair that you accuse me of bothering others.........if anything look the posts and posters......even they may not read their own threads/posts.......

DV is literally crying that their gang is not having space or voice is not being heard.........Nisarga emo....beraalu levu eegalu tholukuntunnamu antunaadu.....

if anything, I am helping drive some traffic....instead of appreciating my effort for these poor guys, you are accusing me.....

plz remember, em chesinaa loka kalyaanam kosamey....:D
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:39 pm:       


Gandhiguevara:

chaala frustration lo vunnarenti mestaaru...andarinee karichesthunnaru ninnat nundi




I know man.........off ivaala.........pani leni mangalodi typelo.....db posting....:D...........with this I stop......

Anand, we are on same page......DV ki class peekey baadhyatha needi....Im logging off now.....
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:38 pm:       


Anand_n:

Increasing the number of poles is always a good thing - gives people more options and more opinions to weigh




alaa gaddi pettu DV ki........ranty boy...u can say left is wrong...or right is wrong..........but their very existence is wrong annattu undi his post.........just like that guy who interviewed Sunny and insulted her....as if her existence is wrong....


Darth_vader:

Secondly whose narrative should be believed and who is going to give an objective account of it as everyone seemed to have alredy taken sides so as to not have any cognitive dissonance.





Darth_vader:

News channels take pride in taking sides





Darth_vader:

How I long for the times when everything was not bracketed at the extremes and there used to be a middle ground.


 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:34 pm:       


Pplsuck:

and other gang of urs did...


chaala frustration lo vunnarenti mestaaru...andarinee karichesthunnaru ninnat nundi
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:33 pm:       


Anand_n:

It was meant for you and you only




I dont rant about anything....DV did .....and if any, u did....and other gang of urs did.......


Anand_n:

and you still did not answer my last question.




which one? I thought I covered every aspect of it comprehensively........from the far left to the center and extreme right of that post........hahaha
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:30 pm:       

nevermind - you did answer between me reading and responding :-)

Fair enough :-) my take - Increasing the number of poles is always a good thing - gives people more options and more opinions to weigh

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:30 pm:       


Anand_n:

Truth - your truth, is subject what you see, hear, read, perceive and believe - and the first 3 are heavily dependent on the narrative you are shown..a non- aligned stance lets you look at things somewhat more objectively reducing the influence of alignment driven belief ...

..if truth was indeed self- evident there would be no difference in how the extreme left or the extreme right or the center saw it - you would not have a divide , would you ?





Pplsuck:

may be truth is not somewhere in between....but a bit on both sides.....




Truths about Truth lecture ki idi time kaademo........once u guys decide what u shud do about central polarization, appudu Truth meeda or whatever u come up with.....daani meeda research cheyyochchu........
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:26 pm:       


Pplsuck:

I think u meant for this for DV and other non-aligned agenda guys.....




Nope ! It was meant for you and you only :-) and you still did not answer my last question.

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:24 pm:       


Anand_n:

what is your solution to the polarization ?




don't polarize...adding another non-aligned pole to the equation......if u think polarization is a problem.......and if u want to solve it....


Anand_n:

Or do you believe there is no problem at all ?




if u really really want to know.......I think life is what it is.........polarization exists and natural occurrence......thats not a problem for me......

whether polarization is the problem and u want to solve it is ur prerogative.......

but then ranting about left and right sounds like.....kettle and pot calling.....

BTW, if not for polarization......there wudn't be any debates.........so u intellectual gang shud think much deeper.......and polarize to the extreme center......
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:16 pm:       


Anand_n:

Really ? And what solution did you offer up ?




oh, u dint get it??.....gud....I ain't offering any.....


Anand_n:

In any case , people follow their own truth based on their perceptions, your truth may not be mine - your holier than thou rant about mine or someone else' s holier than thou stance is not going to change anything




I think u meant for this for DV and other non-aligned agenda guys......really goes well for them.....
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 12:34 pm:       


Pplsuck:

...I thought Darth is looking for solutions and ways to resolve social issues.......




Really ? And what solution did you offer up ?

Truth - your truth, is subject what you see, hear, read, perceive and believe - and the first 3 are heavily dependent on the narrative you are shown..a non- aligned stance lets you look at things somewhat more objectively reducing the influence of alignment driven belief ...

..if truth was indeed self- evident there would be no difference in how the extreme left or the extreme right or the center saw it - you would not have a divide , would you ? :-)

In any case , people follow their own truth based on their perceptions, your truth may not be mine - your holier than thou rant about mine or someone else' s holier than thou stance is not going to change anything :-)

So shall we stick to the issue ? what is your solution to the polarization ? Or do you believe there is no problem at all ?

The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 12:02 pm:       


Nisarga:

we are all stuck in the rut. in a situation like I can change if you change first.




oh...idi yedupu sabha?........u guys continue with it.....I thought Darth is looking for solutions and ways to resolve social issues.......

keep crying and cribbing on left and right.......and pat urselves on the back....
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 11:52 am:       


Pplsuck:

aa maathram niraasaa vaadaaniki left right antoo mudslinging enduku.......pedda topulu ainattu.......




I do not think anyone is empowered enough to do something about it. and the ppl who can be of some affect do not need to do it. they can thrive more on status quo.

we are all stuck in the rut. in a situation like I can change if you change first.

most of the elite and affluent know the problem, but the problem is in their favor. there is little need for them to go against it.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 11:39 am:       


Nisarga:

they cannot do anything. the dynamics do not support it. no one can do anything about it in scrupulous manner.




aa maathram niraasaa vaadaaniki left right antoo mudslinging enduku.......pedda topulu ainattu.......


Nisarga:

why do not people support lessor evil!
why do not people support ppl like JP!!

everyone has some bullshit argument for their affiliation.

things are at the mercy of their dynamics.




looks like u answered ur own question....for ur hopeless situation......

Darth, nisarga says u guys are hopeless......not me....it is nisarga.....
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 11:27 am:       


Redbull:

dearth, Filmbuff etc....




veellu iddar HPS batch kada..

antha elite tho kiska miska from chaddi days..anduke ..aa flow atla untundi

naa laga flight ticket tho paatu Rapidex English speaking course konukonte..naa range laage untundi :D
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 11:24 am:       


Pplsuck:

so what do we do? may be thats why it is glamorous....for the so called intellectuals........gets a chance to bash the majority.........without providing any solutions to the problem at hand.......very comfortable position for self proclaimed intellectuals.......




they cannot do anything. the dynamics do not support it. no one can do anything about it in scrupulous manner.

why do not people support lessor evil!
why do not people support ppl like JP!!

everyone has some bullshit argument for their affiliation.

things are at the mercy of their dynamics.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 10:14 am:       


Nisarga:

but this group is minority.




so what do we do? may be thats why it is glamorous....for the so called intellectuals........gets a chance to bash the majority.........without providing any solutions to the problem at hand.......very comfortable position for self proclaimed intellectuals.......
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 10:08 am:       


Pplsuck:

what is the cause? it sounds like being centrist is the one being advocated.......that just another polarisation.......how about not being aligned to the glamorous and comfortable centrist cause?......and aligning with the truth........it cud be left...it cud be right......depending on the issue and truth.....

this idea of putting self on high pedestal is somewhat ruinous for a truth seeker is all I wanna say........may be truth is not somewhere in between....but a bit on both sides........ranting about left and right makes the centrists just another party to the already polarised debate........




good. but this group is minority.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 09:58 am:       


Filmbuff:

there are people who are intellectually non-hidebound to any side but only to the side of what is appropriate for the cause




what is the cause? it sounds like being centrist is the one being advocated.......that just another polarisation.......how about not being aligned to the glamorous and comfortable centrist cause?......and aligning with the truth........it cud be left...it cud be right......depending on the issue and truth.....

this idea of putting self on high pedestal is somewhat ruinous for a truth seeker is all I wanna say........may be truth is not somewhere in between....but a bit on both sides........ranting about left and right makes the centrists just another party to the already polarised debate........
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 09:54 am:       

we can babble or bullshit like this...

diversity is the order of the reality. every idea in the world has it's takers and haters. it could be very difficult to realize directed changes in present societies without shocking and breaking the system.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 09:46 am:       

the answers( or the bullshitting in fact) depend on what level of abstraction are we trying to understand the problem in question.

to understand it more profoundly these may be helpful:

http://www.amazon.com/Making-Sense-Beliefs-Values-Research/d p/0826104525
http://www.amazon.com/Moral-Politics-Liberals-Conservatives- Think/dp/0226467716
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 09:11 am:       


Filmbuff:

"Freethinkers" is the term that is used to refer to people like this.


In an extremely polarized political environment, like India, it is a rarity to find real "free thinkers". At best, I have seen people swinging both sides according to the convenience and the transient conditions they are in.

Asalu nenu puttina 80s nunchi India's political divide is only growing and growing .. Unipolar polity in the early independence era nunchi bipolar avvadam .. polarization ni baaga penchutondi ..
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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 09:03 am:       


Pplsuck:

ee utopian middle path demands enti?...basically dont want to take a stance on any issue to feel gud about self?......by labelling left and right as idiots?.......




Is that what you were able to glean from the long piece..what DV was writing about was the missing middle which has been a trend not just in India but across the world whether it be the US, UK and many other countries. Fans on either side can't fathom that there are people who are intellectually non-hidebound to any side but only to the side of what is appropriate for the cause. "Freethinkers" is the term that is used to refer to people like this.

However, it is not right on DV's part to say that this is a recent trend. Till date there has not been such a virulent opposition to Congress that merited such a strong line being drawn in the sand. But now with the fate of the Congress being poised at the abyss, they need to take these extremes. So the current pole positions are largely influenced by the prevailing political scenario.

And unfortunately rabble rousers and extremes get more attention and press as they appeal to easy emotions. The polemic of the centrist or liberal is never able to drive the narrative or TRPs as much as extreme viewpoints.

As i have stated many times before, the true liberal party that ever existed in India was the Swatantra party of Rajaji, NG Ranga, Piloo Mody etc
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 08:47 am:       

ee utopian middle path demands enti?...basically dont want to take a stance on any issue to feel gud about self?......by labelling left and right as idiots?.......

how about taking the path of truth.....which sometimes might be to the left and sometimes to the right?......may be take both sides depending on the truth........than the non-aligned safe and empty third view.....
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 08:28 am:       

Anand gaaru,dearth, Filmbuff etc....

meeru emi books chaduvuthaaru andi...mee writing skills ki maa johaarlu..

elca..and inkaa evaro phd kurrodu vundevaadu..they too were top notch
 

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 08:24 am:       


Reddit:


Alcohol & Pink Floyd. ;)




guess that explains it..and it was not so much the content just the style , seemed to be more choppy than I remember..:-)

db is a microcosm and this same division happened here 3-4 years ago The middle ground vanished and it left inhabitants of that land ,like me , disengaged when it happened in the db..you will see the same happen in the country as this narrative continues and will leave the next generation more fanatic or more disinterested..

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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 04:25 am:       


Darth_vader:



You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2016 - 01:42 am:       


Anand_n:

Who wrote this ? Does not read like your writing


Thats my alter ego. Alcohol & Pink Floyd makes you introspect. ;)
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Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 09:32 pm:       


Darth_vader:

How I long for the times when everything was not bracketed at the extremes and there used to be a middle ground.


When was the last time you saw that kind of sane period in Indian politics? When I was born in the 1980s .. the debate was how to stop Hindu fascists/Sickularism .. it is the same till today .. not much change .. when have we worked "together"?
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Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 09:09 pm:       


Darth_vader:

How I long for the times when everything was not bracketed at the extremes and there used to be a middle ground.


simple annai...lets bring back congi in 2019...all set :D

even before elections,BJP power loki ostundi ani common consensus form aina roju nunchi start aindi idi....left vs right....all newspapers started to publish editorials with 'FASCISM UPRISING' as the theme ....

my gut feeling...since BJP is very poor at countering all these allegations...it's going to badly loose in 2019....oka vaipu so far economic measures lo chaala safe ga eltunnaru...janallo aa nammakam raaledhu inka economy better avthadi ani...inko vaipu ideological war lo daarunanga debba thintunnaru....dadri,FTII,Rohit Vemula etc....atleast educated class lo bad name ostundi BJP meedha...
 

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Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 08:19 pm:       

rohit case lo manade tappu le lite teesuko

tappu aina kakappoina tappe ani establish cheyadaniki saripadaa circumstantial evi undhi........just ignore the episode

baga debba padimdhi bjp ki
 

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Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 08:10 pm:       

Who wrote this ? Does not read like your writing :-)

The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim
 

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Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 02:05 pm:       

For the past one year or so every story that breaks out has two narratives...One churned by the kulcha warriors and the other by sicularists. Both sides take turn to blame the other for the present state of India.

The same can be said of award waapasi, intolerance,dadri,malda etc.In each of these cases two diametrically opposite narratives are presented with each one giving no quarter to the other, giving historical justifications without actually addressing the issue.

As an ill informed observer of Indian politics taking a neutral perspective is becoming so difficult as taking sides generally means that ill either be packed away to porkistan or I am labbeled as the chaddi wearing Hitler progeny.

News channels take pride in taking sides and having shouting matches.The internet has made everyone an expert and most of them become keyboard activists.

People have lost objectivity and anything that does not fit ones idea of India is rejected and taken as an attempt of the other to jeopardise the sanctity of our country.

Rohit velmulas death is tragic and the exact cause of this death is not known.He alludes to his birth as a fatal accident. I have seen his posts in FB which show that he is well read,articulate and was alluding to fight against social injustices. Maybe he wanted his death to be an accident just like his birth and there might not have been any other sinister reason behind his actions.

Secondly whose narrative should be believed and who is going to give an objective account of it as everyone seemed to have alredy taken sides so as to not have any cognitive dissonance.

I think it's high time we had our own non aligned view away from far left or the far right for a panoramic view of the situation. How I long for the times when everything was not bracketed at the extremes and there used to be a middle ground.
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