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Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18109 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: N/A |
my last point in this thread - this is BS. Secularism might be a term that is coined in 1850, but it existed and acknowledged in history even before christianity was born. Secularism existed in non christian nations even when christianity was not the major religion in that country. I know what Frued is , what Marx is- if you want an objective discussion about any of these i am willing but not as random half baked sentences and me giving justifications. i feel i have wasted enough of my energy. @Ruj, I disagree with you again - Your approach is a first step towards BJP becoming another congress. If Shias got on board with BJP, they dont have to retun the favor. This only reinforces religious ideology matters in politics - this only makes religious equations a more accepted norm in politics. I am sure you hated when Congress did it. | ||
Kadapanagfan Legend Username: Kadapanagfan Post Number: 65370 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 103.246.196.12 Rating: N/A |
I agreeeee Those fellows are doing more damage to BJP asalu leni intolerance ni just Vallla matalatho create cheystunnaru | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 18517 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231 Rating: N/A |
annai naaku antha ledu annai...
sure will check | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 18516 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 71.195.55.231 Rating: N/A |
vunkle naa uddesam shias modhati sari bhari rangelo BJP ki guddharu central elechanslo...BJP should step forward and accept more shitte leaders into BJP and groom them..make them part of political process...and that might in turn bring shitte masses away from sunnni radicalism and feel they r part of right centre govt ani chinna aasa..also ippudu unna hindu muslim divide konchem anna taggutundhi ani.. govt policies wise shiites ki spl appeasement ani kaadu.....govt policies are for everyone.. | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7806 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
I suggest you to visit any sociology forums...Secularism is born out Christianity( whether they complement each other or not is irrelevant) Dalit Self respect has born out of Upper caste supremacy, it does n't matter whether Upper caste have consideration towards the self respect of Dalits or not | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7805 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
Islam has rejected the secular modernity where as Christianity has embraced it and Hinduism has got atheism in itself ( Charvaka) I hope u r aware of dialectical materialism...even Jewish people have welcomed it Karl Marx to Sigmund Freud... | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7804 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
Secularism is not a postulated theory or some kind of belief based upon perception Secualarism is a divine conspiracy..born out of Christianity does n't necessarily mean that it has got same principles like Christianity if u go by the law of dialectical materialism u will understand what will happen to a theory or belief which has got both thesis and anti thesis with in itself the progression (I mean the formation of progressive society) of Christianity has started with secularism u r just debating on fundamentals...but u have ignored a fact that thesis and antithesis can exist in a single theory | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18108 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: |
I apoligize.. i see no point. You make a statement with out qualifying it and you ask me to provide justification. I see this will not go anywhere. I can suggest that it is born out of the idea that the attainment of absolute truth is impossible - which is an anti-thesis to christian ideology - particulary catholicism - whose history is ripe with persecusions who believed against the church. | ||
Onlytruth Legend Username: Onlytruth Post Number: 176288 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 104.182.130.135 Rating: N/A |
enti bhajapans andaru maa RSS meedha pagabattaru ? yeru dataka teppa tagalabedutunnara ? | ||
Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 57972 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 67.187.93.137 Rating: |
yenti yee thread ilaa vundhi | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7797 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
Read this one... u might feel like having gone through some 101 thesis but worth a read ...even nen kooda Communism India ki enduku paniki radu ane dani meeda oka avagahana ki vacha anna mata | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7796 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
what do u think is the root of secularism...later we will come to my skills of kidding | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7795 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
U r talking things which will be understood by a society which is settled and not too religious I am just talking about India ... even the communism has some pitfalls... I'm not a slave to Communist manifesto vuncle | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18107 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
Dude - you must be kidding. sare , carry on. | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18106 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
again, what is the need to identify minorities based on religion - like i have already mentioned - this only creates more minorities. what is the use of such identification. To be frank - it is even strange that it is coming from who likes communist theories. it goes against the very principle of communism. If communism is not the matter here, we can leave it behind here. Still, what would be a reason to identify a minority or even majority. The concept of majority and minority causes more issues.
I must admit - that i have not read his books, but only articles. But i cant believe any of his books went into hindu extrimim. the three books i know of his are The Heathen in his Blindness Re-conceptualizing india studies Do All Road Lead to Jerusalem?: The Making of Indian Religions which one is it. i am interested to read it. | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7794 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
Secularism for sure is...it's born out of Christianity especially Catholic society | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18105 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
interesting reads - he thinks Hinduism, Caste System, Secularism are all western concepts are alien to the indian culture. he thinks the bible has a lot of impact - it even impacts scientific constructs not just the politics. | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7792 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
I have just bought his view on how hindu extremism will be more harmful to Hinduism in long run than communism or some other ism | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7791 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
I'm not saying that we only should identify minorities, but dealing with the people (who want special rights based on their beliefs ) can be done by identifying them as a group and their strength will tell whether they are a minority or a majority every one has born with the same fundamental rights...not the same religious rights | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18104 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: N/A |
 . Does not make sense - are you saying we need to identify minorities to better identify rights of hindus. there need not be any "identification" of rights - everyone is born with them - it is a matter of no infringment of these rights - no matter who the perpetrators are. Anyway - my post cant be any clear - unless you can distinctively identify the point of contention.
yes, his books are mostly anti-west specifically anti-american if thats what you mean to read. but he denies that there is any problem in hindu society - let alone the mishandling of minorities. | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7790 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
and do u think that the current democratic way will make every one a stake holder in long run? | ||
Rajusk Legend Username: Rajusk Post Number: 43312 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 172.58.225.88 Rating: N/A |
Ee vunkul nachadu naaku.. Come on briefudu me please  | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7788 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
Only related to Hinduism...not every other issue MS
This is the very reason behind the failure of identification of rights of Hindus... Minorities should be identified and framework should be set up to deal with majority...n | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18103 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 209.60.166.146 Rating: |
I do not understand, what do you mean by reach out. To me, they should step away from making Religion an agenda in their decision making, does not matter whether it is Hindu, Christian or Muslim. While we cannot ignore the crux of many issues is that radical views, whether its Violent Jihad from muslims, or Hindu extremist views, or christian missionaries is to deconstruct socially - the need to make everyone a stake holder in the idea of India is more important now than ever. The moment we start identifying minorities, we only create more minorities. This does not mean we are working against minorities, it only means they are equal part of the country, no matter what the distractors might say.
I am surprised you bring up his name - He claims that there is no caste system in India, and called Ambedkar and Idiot and considers everyone who uses a caste certificate as incompetent! - were you being sarcastic? - its over my head!! | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7781 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
common names untai...but still adokkate chance..manam velli valla illa lo traditions ni batti cheppalem kada | ||
Poseidon Comedian Username: Poseidon Post Number: 1057 Registered: 07-2014 Posted From: 183.82.210.72 Rating: N/A |
Perlu tho kastam. Nenu ilane oka sari book ayyaa. Sunni batch koodaa Ali, Hussain, Fathimaa ani pettukuntaru perlu. Blades tho kosukune pandaga untadhi gaa adhi gattigaa celebrate chesukune batch Shiaa. Yaadhum oorE yaavarum kElir | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7778 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: N/A |
may be names uncle... | ||
Lenin Side Hero Username: Lenin Post Number: 7777 Registered: 08-2014 Posted From: 125.253.110.145 Rating: |
Ruj in the DB ni true patriot ga nen declare chestanna...what an understanding man and compassion towards the minorities Start reading the articles of SN Bala Gangadhara Ruj babai...
Don't live in the history mate.... more Sunnis across the globe are under the influence of radicalisation compared to Shias... | ||
Poseidon Comedian Username: Poseidon Post Number: 1056 Registered: 07-2014 Posted From: 183.82.210.72 Rating: N/A |
Siggu leni ehavala ki baaga thikka kudhirindhi le nayallaki. Separate country lo baagaa sammagaa pettaru ippudu. Yaadhum oorE yaavarum kElir | ||
Hero Side Hero Username: Hero Post Number: 8060 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 38.101.193.194 Rating: N/A |
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Asdf Hero Username: Asdf Post Number: 16051 Registered: 12-2014 Posted From: 76.109.163.196 Rating: N/A |
bigot ani teerpu inkaa pass cheyaledaa? | ||
Lichtenberg Comedian Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 1772 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 151.193.220.29 Rating: N/A |
As long as fundamentals are not changed, there is no solution for this. What should we do with the 'other' (kafir/heathen)? - as long as this is part of their scripture, there is no solution for this IMHO. | ||
Lichtenberg Comedian Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 1771 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 151.193.220.29 Rating: N/A |
See how Kharge got away with 'bloodbath', aryan-dravidian racial theories.......Ideally he should have been grilled by media asking questions like whether Sonia is dravidian/aryan or mleccha I am with Yogi Adityanath. He asked why scholarship only for minority girls in UP and not for all poor girls. Why there is no pro-rated scholarship for Hindu girls. If Modi shuns these org, it will be his downfall. | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 18513 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.122.1 Rating: N/A |
mix untaru annai..kondharu sunnis and kondharu shias
annai wasnt the the intention there to insutl aurangazeb since shah abbas was anti moghul?? he wanted war with aurangazeb and so he ridiculed him at every opportunity..he wrote the letter to aurangazeb saying ur afterall not able to control a feudal lord (shivaji) nuvvoka emperor va ani? correct me if im wrong | ||
Teluguhero Comedian Username: Teluguhero Post Number: 1665 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 63.151.12.167 Rating: N/A |
When Modi was Gujrat Chief minster,he took action against VHP activists and controversial leader Preveen togadia. I dont know why Modi failed to take action against people like sakhsi maharaj, yogi Adinath,Sadhi prachi etc. | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 18512 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.122.1 Rating: N/A |
i know this annai..christians ee kadu as per islamic law if christian jew ayithe tax pay chesi batahakachu under islamistxs..other pagans(hindus etc) ayithe either convert or die anthe.. | ||
Lichtenberg Comedian Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 1770 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 151.193.220.28 Rating: N/A |
Aurangzeb, Sunni, Shia annaavu kaabatti, let me give you a specific example. When Shivaji started capturing forts and growing in strength, Shah Abbas - II of Iran - who was Shia - wrote to Aurangzeb how the hell he is not able to control a kafir. | ||
Machomegastar Hero Username: Machomegastar Post Number: 10773 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.7 Rating: N/A |
doodekulu patans veellantha denikindaki vastaru sampradayam and NO1 movies krishna costumes meeda Gandhi Nagar dialogue --> Vja lo ratri battala shops and tailor shops kattese mundu anni erukochchi kuttesi Krishna ki toDigi oka song, ayyaka babu mohan ki toDigi inko song teesevaaDu | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 18511 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.122.1 Rating: N/A |
annai big picturelo relative ga edhi better soodali kadha.also practical ga equations kudurthayi.. one ejjample sunni masses ki aurangazeb ghaznavi etc heroes ani baga ruddharu mullahs..hindus ni oochakotha kosi desani looti chesina edhavalandharu ala masseski veeroes....left wingers tappa even normal hindus adhi sachina oppukoru? ela tegutundhi aa friction?? anduke shias anedhi.. .. | ||
Lichtenberg Comedian Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 1769 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 151.193.220.27 Rating: N/A |
If any of your friends can read Malayalam, ask them to translate this. When Hindus started something for uniting Hindus in Kerala(and subsequently a party has been formed), read what Syro Malabar church says...."How can Hindus unite? There is no unifying factor. Christians and Muslims are children of the same God, so they can unite but not Hindus" - this is the gist and very important to understand where kafir/heathen Hindus figure in their scheme of things. http://www.mangalam.com/opinion/383929 | ||
Asdf Hero Username: Asdf Post Number: 16049 Registered: 12-2014 Posted From: 76.109.163.196 Rating: N/A |
bjp ollu hathya cheste neram hathya khandichakapothe neram reppodduna hanthakudu o modi twitter followers lo vunte neram they have to distance from those groups, but not gonna shut the elite media | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 18510 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.122.1 Rating: N/A |
chala kastam bhayya cheppatam..sometimes last name batti cheppachu | ||
Lichtenberg Comedian Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 1768 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 151.193.220.29 Rating: N/A |
inkaa dream lo unnaavaa..... Prominent shias led the partition movement....that they cannot live with Hindus ani cheppi Jinnah was a Shia, Aga Khan - Ismaili....the fight among themselves happens when they become majority like in Pakistan Ahmadiyyas(and Christians) also wanted a separate country for Muslims. This is Ahmadiyya website and read http://www.alislam.org/library/history/ahmadiyya/63.html | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 44101 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41 Rating: N/A |
modi ekkada repeat sestunnad...beyond modi's level issue idhi.. anthaku minchi | ||
Amaravathi Side Hero Username: Amaravathi Post Number: 5429 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 72.214.116.2 Rating: N/A |
Yes Rujju.. Some how BJP is not able to play correct cards like CONG on religion... pattumani 30 mandhi leru parliament la..kani gola dobbuthunnar rojoo... BJP has to learn a lot from CONG Technically I oppose but Heartfully I accept - Pulp | ||
Rajusk Legend Username: Rajusk Post Number: 43296 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.231.7 Rating: N/A |
first vindia lo evadaina chia naa chunna naa anedi etla telusukovali cheppu.. aa taruvatha migithadi discudaam naa ischool friends whatsapp lo 9 mandi unnar..tulaks now tell me, how I can identify ..who is what.. | ||
Teluguhero Comedian Username: Teluguhero Post Number: 1664 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 63.151.12.167 Rating: N/A |
Yes Advani encouraged these organizations.organizations. Modi should not repeat this mistake. Both Bajrang dal and VHP are always giving Hinduism/BJP/RSS a very bad image internationally. | ||
Ruj Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 18508 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 170.202.122.1 Rating: |
like bhajrang dal, VHP etc and move towards right-centre.. it should reachout to shias(4-5 crores), ahmdiyyas and work for their development along with other hindu backward castes.. india lo most of shia kingdoms were tolerant or atleast not as bad as most of sunni barbarian rulers who looted and destroyed anything unislamic.. india has the largest Shiite population outside of iran and the only place along with iran where they weren't persecuted.. I think reaching out to shias would be win win for both right wingers as well as muslims..first step to start with..i don't mean to say isolate sunnis.. clubbing entire muslim population as one in india has become problematic.. monna central electionslo first time shias sided with BJP in huge numbers(2% nundi 15% ki ochindi muslim votes to BJP)..BJP should reachout to them more and build that confidence.. it should plan for long term..edho modi ochadu rechipodhamu anattu kaakunda.. alage ee extreme right batch loose tongue gala valla BJP will be buried..prathi sari modi, anti congee lanti factors kalisi ravu..it shouls slowly move away from those orgs..develop its own cadre..work for Hinduism as well as peaceful islam.. eti setharo eto |
