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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 08:01 pm:       


Kindal:

First point ye Bull Shitee, danni post cheyyadam daaniki bhakts stars veyyadam.. denemma comedy





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If you don't know first try to research and then post your comments here

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Motilal-pushed-for- son-Jawahar-as-Congress-chief-in-letter-to-Bapu/articleshow/ 45141519.cms

Motilal pushed for son Jawahar as Congress chief in letter to Bapu


 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 06:08 pm:       


Kindal:

Haven't seen any defense analysts scared of this Su35 deal. At any given point of time, paks defense capabilities can be outnumbered.

Defense deals evolve on the continuum of security threats to a country. Russ woke up to the reality that they have to compete with other countries to sell defense products to India. To keep India as a buyer, they proposed to develop jointly with India. India-Russ defense relationship has evolved from the buyer-seller to joint development of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft, the Multi Transport Aircraft, SU-30s and T-90 tanks. The capabilities, that India is getting (in terms of tech & production) have more weight that the 2 sqaudrons of Su35s sold to Pak.



you still don't get it

India and Russia have several major joint military programmes including:

-BrahMos cruise missile programme
-5th generation fighter jet programme (This alone is worth of $35 billion dollar, this is the one I quoted in which we invest $35 billion for the design state FGFA)
-Sukhoi Su-30MKI programme (230+ to be built by Hindustan Aeronautics)
-Ilyushin/HAL Tactical Transport Aircraft

Additionally, India has purchased/leased various military hardware from Russia:

-Kamov Ka-226 200 to be made in India under the Make in India initiative.
-T-90S Bhishma with over 1000 to be built in India
-Akula-II nuclear submarine (2 to be leased with an option to buy when the lease expires)
-INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier programme(another floating junk)
- Tu-22M3 bombers (4 ordered)
- US$900 million upgrade of MiG-29
- Mil Mi-17 (80 ordered)
- Ilyushin Il-76 Candid (6 ordered to fit Israeli Phalcon radar)

The Farkhor Air Base in Tajikistan is currently jointly operated by Indian Air Force and Tajikistan Air Force

Despite all these Russia is going around and selling SU35( our SU30MKI with all the advanced systems custom ordered are already part of SU35) to pakistan.

Doctrine of evaluating security threats to nation is nothing new,every nation does that routinely, in the last decade or so Russia has not been a reliable partner in terms of supplying the spares/hardware that were already contracted. The Rafael MMRCA has been procured hastily purely to keep the numbers in the IAF and to mitigate the shortfall due to delayed schedules of SU30MKI delivries and spare parts. Also the FGDA production may take multiple years if signed. At the same time IAF has evinced interest in LCA which after 2 decades is finally showing some promise. It can and will replace the entire squadrons of MIG21 for training. Russia needs foreign exchange for their adventures in Crimea and the falling prices of oil is not a secret. So they have gone around and offered and negotiating Su-35 with pakistan just to get some $$ or to pressurize India in to signing the Su35 deal or the FGFA. So much for a friend.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 05:44 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

I am sure you are aware we scrapped the deal with France and brought them just off the shelf,for immediate need, for this precise reason that Russia has turned back on us after signing those agreements not to sell jointly developed aircraft to other countries?

Are you aware of how many years those Rafael's of Griffon's or Jaguaurs have taken to productionize? how many years of trials they have gone through to get there?

We have a total of 161 sukoi 30mki planes in our squadron now and another 70+ should come up soon due to imports and also production locally. This advantage has been taken off from us by selling a more advanced version Su35 to Pakistan that was developed using the Su27-30 technology.

Putin is no friend of India and thus as an extension neighter is Russia



Haven't seen any defense analysts scared of this Su35 deal. At any given point of time, paks defense capabilities can be outnumbered.

Defense deals evolve on the continuum of security threats to a country. Russ woke up to the reality that they have to compete with other countries to sell defense products to India. To keep India as a buyer, they proposed to develop jointly with India. India-Russ defense relationship has evolved from the buyer-seller to joint development of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft, the Multi Transport Aircraft, SU-30s and T-90 tanks. The capabilities, that India is getting (in terms of tech & production) have more weight that the 2 sqaudrons of Su35s sold to Pak.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 05:33 pm:       


Kindal:

Motilal Nehru passed away by 1931. I wonder how could Motilal could influence Gandhi to push Nehru's name for PM post.
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If you don't know first try to research and then post your comments here

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Motilal-pushed-for- son-Jawahar-as-Congress-chief-in-letter-to-Bapu/articleshow/ 45141519.cms

Motilal pushed for son Jawahar as Congress chief in letter to Bapu
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 05:31 pm:       


Kindal:

That doesn't explain, why the entire political leadership was against free-markets.




ippudu ante last 30 years ga every one realized free markets way to go specially after looking at many successful countries

kani 1940's lo free market vs communism choice it was very diffciult to choose as both as advantages and dis-adv...

east india company business kosam vachi slow ga country ni 200+ years rule chesina taruvata how do you think they will allow again free market/west business companies come again...

so aa time lo leadership anta mixed economy ni choose chesaru...mana reforms 70's lo start chesi unte bagundedi...we lost 2 decades for no reason
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 05:12 pm:       


Kindal:

Still, Dr. Ambedkar became chariman of drafting committee of constituent assembly & S. Patel became Dy-PM of India. Had Nehru not wanted them, why are they still accommodated?


because Gandhi forced nehru's hand in it and Ambedkar got in to the constituent assembly because one member vacated his seat in bengal and he was voted in from there.There is lot of reading you need to do about what transpired in post independence India and the machinations of Nehru to get into and remain in power. It is not simply that Ambedkar, syamaprasad mukherjee and host of others parted ways and established separate entities because they could not get along (or rather Nehru did not let them) with him
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 05:08 pm:       


Kindal:

Production and indigenous development were far from our capabilities. Even developing prototypes is taking years.

What is the utility of that agreement considering the deal with Raefel?


I am sure you are aware we scrapped the deal with France and brought them just off the shelf,for immediate need, for this precise reason that Russia has turned back on us after signing those agreements not to sell jointly developed aircraft to other countries?

Are you aware of how many years those Rafael's of Griffon's or Jaguaurs have taken to productionize? how many years of trials they have gone through to get there?

We have a total of 161 sukoi 30mki planes in our squadron now and another 70+ should come up soon due to imports and also production locally. This advantage has been taken off from us by selling a more advanced version Su35 to Pakistan that was developed using the Su27-30 technology.

Putin is no friend of India and thus as an extension neighter is Russia
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 05:04 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

Insecurity of Nehru did not allow better leaders like Patel, Ambedkar etc to come in to the fore. Ambedkar had to face the ignonimty of losing an election from Bombay because Nehru did not want him to come to the consituent assembly.



Obviously there have been conflicts among Patel, Nehru, Ambedkar & others.
1) That doesn't explain, why the entire political leadership was against free-markets.
2) Still, Dr. Ambedkar became chariman of drafting committee of constituent assembly & S. Patel became Dy-PM of India. Had Nehru not wanted them, why are they still accommodated?
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 05:00 pm:       


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it is common knowledge that INC elected Patel and the decision was overridden by Gandhi

Patel kurrod Gandhi meeda respect tho odilesaaDu



adi telusu annai, Motilal vachi Gandhi ni influence chesadu anadam bhakts propaganda antunna
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:57 pm:       


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it is common knowledge that INC elected Patel and the decision was overridden by Gandhi

Patel kurrod Gandhi meeda respect tho odilesaaDu


le...maa kindal tammi oppukodu..proofs pattukuraavaalsindhe...or books pattukura...otherwise accept nehru as the capable and greatest leader \run
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:54 pm:       


Kindal:

Other than Dr. Ambedkar, no one after independnece were in favour of free-markets and capitalism. Replace him with anyone, nothing would have changed. Blame all the netas too. Political compulsions, coupled with experiences of British Raj has keps our country away from Capitalism.


Insecurity of Nehru did not allow better leaders like Patel, Ambedkar etc to come in to the fore. Ambedkar had to face the ignonimty of losing an election from Bombay because Nehru did not want him to come to the consituent assembly.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:53 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

we got a technology transfer license from them for MIG series (21-29) to build them in India. We make some parts and still import spares from them to supplement our fleet.



Production and indigenous development were far from our capabilities. Even developing prototypes is taking years.

What is the utility of that agreement considering the deal with Raefel?
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:53 pm:       


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it is common knowledge that INC elected Patel and the decision was overridden by Gandhi

Patel kurrod Gandhi meeda respect tho odilesaaDu
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:49 pm:       


Teluguhero:

The leaders in working committee voted in favour of Patel to be the first PM of India. But Nehru threw a tantrum. Earlier, Motilal had pushed Gandhi for Nehru''s name for the post. Gandhi budged and Patel never resisted. This is how Nehru came to be our first PM.



Motilal Nehru passed away by 1931. I wonder how could Motilal could influence Gandhi to push Nehru's name for PM post.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:48 pm:       


Kindal:

Depends on contract. Russ was suppossed to get the contract, but our economy was in shambles & soviet was disintegrated in 89-90s. We continued repairs & maintenance with Russ help. By early 2000s, India had more options. Didn't go back to Russ again on these.


lol, we got a technology transfer license from them for MIG series (21-29) to build them in India. We make some parts and still import spares from them to supplement our fleet.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:33 pm:       


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is russ responsible for replacement/repair or no?



Depends on contract. Russ was suppossed to get the contract, but our economy was in shambles & soviet was disintegrated in 89-90s. We continued repairs & maintenance with Russ help. By early 2000s, India had more options. Didn't go back to Russ again on these.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:30 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

most of things nehru did in foreign policy were a disaster for the country, to some extent we can credit the industrial base to the socialist movement but that could have been accelerated if we had been open to investments in technology from everybody. There is something called as Advantages of a Nation and Nehru completely vongo pettadu India ni International ga



Other than Dr. Ambedkar, no one after independnece were in favour of free-markets and capitalism. Replace him with anyone, nothing would have changed. Blame all the netas too. Political compulsions, coupled with experiences of British Raj has keps our country away from Capitalism.

Foreign policy lo Nehru fail ayite, could you please tell me who else has succeeded? Ofcourse Indira Gandhi did better job during Bangladesh creation (as we had experiences from 1948). Agree or not, he laid good foundations for Indian Foreign policy. A lot has been written on the subject supporting that Nehru's FP has given India a unique strength in the global order.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:22 pm:       


Kindal:

Read in this book and the author has cited MEA references that India procured weapons from Israeal from then
In 1971: A Global History of the Creation of Bangladesh
If possible, get hold of that book and read. It's a good one


Israel has supplied some ammunition and few mortars to India during the 1971 war and also helped train the mukti bahini, this came out in papers some time back, This is not full fledged defense co-operation. That era started int he 1990's.


Kindal:

There are MOU signed between countries while jointly developing technologies. Meeku unna concerns mana Govt. ki undava?
India & Russia are now jointly doing research in 49 high-tech, bio & medical areas. Completely kept out of public domain.


MOU's does not give license to sell the same technology to others, these are indian airforce specific changes made to the base models.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:16 pm:       


Kindal:

The replacement is still under progress




is russ responsible for replacement/repair or no?
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:14 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

Co-operation with Israel in the areas of defense started only in late 1996-1997 and not as 1970's as written by you.



Read in this book and the author has cited MEA references that India procured weapons from Israeal from then
In 1971: A Global History of the Creation of Bangladesh
If possible, get hold of that book and read. It's a good one :-)


Okahyderabadi:

I have a problem with Russia supplying the same hardware we paid for development to other nations. If they were selling their self developed Junk to other countries no issues. We paid for SU30 advanced avionics development and the same is being sold to Pakistan, taking away our advantage. We are currently negotiating with them to develop FGFA and they are quoting multi-billion $ for the design stage - so they can conveniently use the $ to develop this aircraft as a joint effort and then sell it other nations at our expense.



There are MOU signed between countries while jointly developing technologies. Meeku unna concerns mana Govt. ki undava?
India & Russia are now jointly doing research in 49 high-tech, bio & medical areas. Completely kept out of public domain.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 04:06 pm:       


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Non-alignment, while a strategy, is often mistaken for ideology. Nehru first
articulated it as a means to safeguard Indian security in 1946, after Churchill�s �Iron Curtain� speech, but before independence or Partition plans had been decided. But Nehru was not enthusiastic about a non-aligned movement. He favoured remaining in the Commonwealth and procuring defence equipment and licences from the UK, France and the US. It was only when the Soviet Union emerged as a more reliable provider of cheap but adequate military equipment against an increasingly hostile China that India�s security interests aligned with Moscow�s. Even then, India made defence deals in the 1970s and the 1980s with France and the UK, and also with the Reagan administration for jet engines. Non-alignment was therefore pragmatic, and meant that India could get support from a superpower if its national security was threatened.

While campaigning against nuclear weapons, India�s leadership from Nehru
onwards also kept the nuclear option alive. India was compelled to declare
itself a nuclear weapon power in 1998, only after the international community
legitimised nuclear weapons by indefinitely extending the Non-Proliferation
Treaty, and China armed Pakistan with nuclear weapons to balance India. Once
India declared its nuclear capability, the attitudes of major powers changed.

http://www.claws.in/images/journals_doc/SW%20J.24-30.pdf

Just brainwashed right-wing narrative pattukoni.. Nehru meeda edavadam.. blind ga allegations cheyyadam.. dont' even bothered to google and know the facts.


most of things nehru did in foreign policy were a disaster for the country, to some extent we can credit the industrial base to the socialist movement but that could have been accelerated if we had been open to investments in technology from everybody. There is something called as Advantages of a Nation and Nehru completely vongo pettadu India ni International ga
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but MIG crashes is way too many. even paraayi desam does not have so many flying deathtraps



MIGs are MMCRAs. Very expensive, buying, procuring etc., took a lot of time to replace them, and are still under maintenance. The replacement is still under progress (Shld have happened in early 2000s)
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http://shankhnaad.net/india/history/item/199-failures-of-neh ru




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Bongaram:

problem with sickulars is they think




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Kindal:

Nehru was a strategic thinker.




LOL

http://shankhnaad.net/india/history/item/199-failures-of-neh ru

The Failures of Nehru

So, was he the greatest diplomat India had, the man who laid the foundation of what we call today the idea of a secular socialist India.. or was he an utter and complete failure that took our nation to shambles ? You be the judge.

1) The leaders in working committee voted in favour of Patel to be the first PM of India. But Nehru threw a tantrum. Earlier, Motilal had pushed Gandhi for Nehru''s name for the post. Gandhi budged and Patel never resisted. This is how Nehru came to be our first PM.

2) Nehru had ambitions for a Nobel peace prize; so much that he prevented the nation from building up a large vicious army that India could have. Instead he chose to go for treaties with China without any parity or muscle to keep China from breaking those treaties.

3) He always favored a non-concluded report regarding Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. He feared that if Netaji is alive then he may have to abdicate his PM post in Netaji''s favour. He had written a letter to British PM Clements Atlee informing him of Netaji''s whereabouts
(Nehru''s words: "..I understand from most reliable source that Subhash Chandra Bose, your war criminal, has been allowed to enter Russian territory by Stalin.").
He never got to conclude the commission''s report on Netaji.

4) Subhash Chandra Bose & Shyama Prasad Mukherjee were competitors for the post of PM of India and both of them died mysterious deaths.
In 2004 AB Vajpayee alleged that Shyama Prasad Mookerjee was killed in 1953 as part of a ''conspiracy'' between the then Jawaharlal Nehru-led Central government and Jammu and Kashmir government.

5) Partition happened because of indecisiveness of the leadership India had at that time. Nehru being a top leader, is largely attributed with the partition.Some say the love triangle between Lord Mountbatten, His wife Edwina and Nehru was also to blame for this. When parted, they wrote to each other constantly - and Edwina made no attempt to keep the letters secret from her husband. The British acted under American interests. America wanted Pakistan so as to have a base in the South East Asia.

6) He came out as a complete goof up on the Kashmir issue and despite Sardar Patel''s efforts the damage was done. Thanks to Nehru who took the issue to UN for no reason, the J&K issue stays unresolved till date. Nehru is also largely responsible for the plight of Tibetans as he blindly obeyed Chinese during his ''Hindi-Chini bhai bhai'' days.

7) It was Nehru who got article 370 for state of Jammu & Kashmir - an article which gives a special status to J&K and keeps it from integrating with rest of the nation. Ambedekar was opposed to this article but Nehru persisted.

8) After colonial rule when the government was deciding upon Commander in Chief of Indian Army , he suggested that a british officer be appointed for the job as Indians do not have xperience for it. A statement for which he was reprimanded by Lt General Nathu Singh Rathore who said "Why not get PM from britain as well, as we''ve no experience of governance either".

9) Even after the British left, Nehru willingly handed over the control of India''s defence and security to the British. It was on Mountbatten''s advice that Nehru took Kashmir to UN. It was the British interests that stopped India from making full use of its military strength to throw out Pakistani forces from J&K or to attack Pakistan in 1947-48.

10) Before 1962 China war,reports were suggesting of a possible Chinese Army advancement at least 6 months to a year in advance as some believe, but Nehru didn''t find it necessary to consult army top brass for their minimum requirement & procurement of arms and ammunition which may have kept the state war ready. This in fact might have discouraged China from its misadventurism altogether.

11) After the war when he was in the parliament, he tried to belittle the loss of Askai Chin by saying "not even a blade of grass grows there". Upon this statement, a fellow parliamentarian Mahaveer Tyagi got up and said "Even your head doesn''t have any hair growing upon it, should I give it to the enemy ?"

12) On Economic front he followed a failed socialist communist model of Russia. What the economists called a ''Hindu Model of growth''. Why ? because they were in charge and they can call anything by any name, that''s why!

13) He took utmost care never to lose his secular credentials. Ambedkar proposed total transfer of Muslims to Pakistan in 1947 but Nehru refused to act giving birth to ''Secularism''. Even after the end of colonial rule, every time he took a decision which can apply to minorities, he would plead to minority leaders for it.It was in trying to appease them that he started the appeasement policies which Congress and mostly all poltical parties follow till date.

14) One of the biggest example of his pseudo-secularism and appeasement policy would be the Uniform Civil code. He deliberately introduced the Hindu Code in place of UCC. This bill was, as the name suggests, just for Hindus and never for minorities.

15) Nehru awarded BharatRatna to himself in 1955 soon after it was introduced (Bharat Ratna award was constituted on Jan 2nd, 1954). Nehru was PM during that time and the names for Bharat Ratna are recommended by the PM him/herself to the President of India.

16) What seemed like an entire nation excited to celebrate his birthday, was actually a a pomp and show in his honour done at taxpayer''s expense. During colonial times when Nehru was in jail, he arranged 5 Star facilities for himself through an ICS officer, officer was later promoted to high position in Nehru''s PMO. Ram Manohar Lohia said in 1963 "daily expense of PM Nehru is Rs 25,000 in a country where the majority lives on 25 paise a day".

17) Nehru was reluctant to the idea of unification of Hyderabad province with India. Pandit Nehru wanted to refer the Hyderabad issue also to the U.N. as he had done in the case of Kashmir- that too against the advice of Patel.But for Patel''s efforts of unification, India would have been in splinters. Our subcontinent would have been a chaos of small rival states fighting among each other.

18) It''s said that as early as in 56 or 58 India was offered N- Technology & all other help thereto, by US, but Nehru choose to be known as Socialist rather than Capitalist friendly. Had he accepted then, India could have tested its first N-test as early as 60s.

19) India was offered a permanent seat on the council 55 years ago, in 1955. But that offer, made by the United States and the Soviet Union, was declined by India''s first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru. Nehru said the seat should be given to China instead. (Nehru later denied having received any such offer though)

20) Biggest failure of Nehru of course remains the legacy of mental slavery that he left behind. He gave premier educational institutions to the nation but filled them with communists and socialists of every kind. The history books, the educational curriculum, the arts and cinema and mediums of mass communication were levereged to destroy the majority way of life, i.e. Hinduism. The propaganda which continues till date.

Unconfirmed:
It is believed that he was responsible for the death of Chandrashekhar Azad, as Azad went to see Nehru in his residence the day he died. Soon after he left Nehru''s house, he was ambushed by the police in Alfred Park (Allahabad).
 

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Kindal:

Friendship treaty came into force in 1970. Sino-Indian war was in 1962.




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Kindal:

Started importing weaponary from Israel starting from 1970 (before 71 war). By 1990s, India had options to buy from France & other European countries. Every multi-billion defence deals have several problems with quality & delivery. Those things do happen. Selling weaponary to other countries is at that country's discretion.
mee friend ki oka grocery store undi, meeku kavalsinavi ammadu.. mee enemy ki kooda ammadu.. appudu meeku.. mee friend ki friendship lenatte na?
Russia ki India ki friendship treaty undi, in case of any territorial threats, Russia will come to aid India.


Israel today is the second largest arms supplier to India after Russia(chunk of it for the naval carrier and other junk including multi-billion $ agreement for design of a ). India practically kept Russian armament industry going with multi-year multi-billion dollar contracts. Co-operation with Israel in the areas of defense started only in late 1996-1997 and not as 1970's as written by you. I have a problem with Russia supplying the same hardware we paid for development to other nations. If they were selling their self developed Junk to other countries no issues. We paid for SU30 advanced avionics development and the same is being sold to Pakistan, taking away our advantage. The irony is it was pakistan's role in helping US that drove them out of afghanistan which was one of the major reasons for their downfall. We are currently negotiating with them to develop FGFA and they are quoting multi-billion $ for the design stage - so they can conveniently use the $ to develop this aircraft as a joint effort and then sell it other nations at our expense.
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Kindal:

He served under Nehru




ery neutral 3rd person perspective .

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Kindal:


problem with you bhakts is that you are confusing with current & past Congress' leadership.


problem with sickulars is they think there is a difference.
 

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Asdf:

why did they help us during sino-Indian war?

russ is a frd, but they are fwb



Friendship treaty came into force in 1970. Sino-Indian war was in 1962.
In 1962, Nehru did not get faster response from Russia. So US deggara sashtanga namaskaram chesadu. One of the darkest days in our post-independence history
http://historyinpieces.com/research/documents/nehru-letter-j fk-sino-indian-war-2
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Asdf:


evaro septe enduku nammutaanu bava, blog lo seppaaru



evaro cheppindi kaadu annai. K Subrahmanyam said it. He served under Nehru and provided India with no-first use doctorine. Just google about him (if you are interested).


Bongaram:

as much as Pappu is an innovative thinker..



problem with you bhakts is that you are confusing with current & past Congress' leadership.
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russ and india worked on brahmos etc, good
but MIG crashes is way too many. even paraayi desam does not have so many flying deathtraps
 

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Kindal:

Russia ki India ki friendship treaty undi, in case of any territorial threats, Russia will come to aid India.




why did they help us during sino-Indian war?

russ is a frd, but they are fwb
 

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Kindal:

Nehru was a strategic thinker.


as much as Pappu is an innovative thinker..
 

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Kindal:

Nehru was a strategic thinker.



Kindal:

http://reflections-shivanand.blogspot.in/2011/02/k-subrahman yam-conversation-on-india.html




evaro septe enduku nammutaanu bava, blog lo seppaaru :D
 

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Non-alignment, while a strategy, is often mistaken for ideology. Nehru first
articulated it as a means to safeguard Indian security in 1946, after Churchillâs âIron Curtainâ speech, but before independence or Partition plans had been decided. But Nehru was not enthusiastic about a non-aligned movement. He favoured remaining in the Commonwealth and procuring defence equipment and licences from the UK, France and the US. It was only when the Soviet Union emerged as a more reliable provider of cheap but adequate military equipment against an increasingly hostile China that Indiaâs security interests aligned with Moscowâs. Even then, India made defence deals in the 1970s and the 1980s with France and the UK, and also with the Reagan administration for jet engines. Non-alignment was therefore pragmatic, and meant that India could get support from a superpower if its national security was threatened.

While campaigning against nuclear weapons, Indiaâs leadership from Nehru
onwards also kept the nuclear option alive. India was compelled to declare
itself a nuclear weapon power in 1998, only after the international community
legitimised nuclear weapons by indefinitely extending the Non-Proliferation
Treaty, and China armed Pakistan with nuclear weapons to balance India. Once
India declared its nuclear capability, the attitudes of major powers changed.


http://www.claws.in/images/journals_doc/SW%20J.24-30.pdf

Just brainwashed right-wing narrative pattukoni.. Nehru meeda edavadam.. blind ga allegations cheyyadam.. dont' even bothered to google and know the facts.
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Ruj:

last 30yrslo friendshiplo bagam ga Russia india ki oodapodisindhi ento seppu




Not only space cooperation,Russia helped in may areas like military,science & technology,transport etc.Please check the link I posted earlier for details.
 

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Nehru was a strategic thinker.

Shivanand Kanavi: I want you start with an over view of the history of Indian nuclear weapons programme.
K Subrahmanyam: If you go back to Nehruâs writings in the 40s he recognized that it may be used (as a weapon) and then India also must have it. But at the same time he was a man of peace he wanted international peace so he was essentially he was for development of technology. But he did not overlook the fact that it had a strategic dimension. It comes out very clearly that at one point in time in 1954-55 Homi Bhabha after presiding over the Geneva conference on the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, came back with great enthusiasm and proposed to Nehru that India should amend the constitution and say that it would never go nuclear. Nehru wrote back to Bhabha that he should look after physics and leave the international relations to Nehru. We will think about these things when we reach that stage. So at one point of time it was Bhabha who was a peacenik, but as they saw the two major powers accumulating more and more weapons and developing newer weapons and China going nuclear, I presume that Bhabha got converted to the view that India should also go nuclear. The selection of CANDU reactor which would produce plutonium and deputation of Sethna to France to get reprocessing technology would all show that at least in Bhabhaâs mind strategic programme was very much there.

http://reflections-shivanand.blogspot.in/2011/02/k-subrahman yam-conversation-on-india.html
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Kindal:

India has been pursuing independent foreign policy. Read about Strategic Autonomy" and how it saved our position many a times. Many historians, FP thinkers, journalists, academics etc., wrote on Nehru's FP. Consistently written that Nehru's FP has set right direction for India, albeit he made few mistakes.


lol, please India today is in a big mess because of Nehruvian blunders, so please spare me the virtues of his policy.
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Bumper:

second highest population among all countries. peace loving country. and we are developing nation. manam enduku eligible kaduu.





Bathiki unna vaalla lo Rajya Sabha member
Kula mathaala ki atheetham ga 25% seats in education


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providing outdated equipments, delaying deliveries , quoting exhuberent prices ivvani Russians Indians tho chesina pani okapudu..manaki dikku leka avi koni, tirigi vale goppa friends ani publicity ichamu..super asal..


and another recent example is INS vikramaditya..literal ga ongo bettar manani 'friendship' lo bagam ga..


INS chakra appudu kooda muppu tippal pettaru Russian personnel undali all the times on the submarine etc ani..not sure where it ended..

 

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Okahyderabadi:

any point of discussion is our UN seat and Russia's support. I think this is posturing on part of Putin to try and bring back India to their side, where for the first time in 60 years we are exerting an independent foreign policy which is in the interest of the nation than based on stupid philosophical leaning of Nehru and his dynasty.



India has been pursuing independent foreign policy. Read about Strategic Autonomy" and how it saved our position many a times. Many historians, FP thinkers, journalists, academics etc., wrote on Nehru's FP. Consistently written that Nehru's FP has set right direction for India, albeit he made few mistakes.
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Exactly my point too, there is no friendship , when the whole world was against it, we in the name of socialism and comrades stuck with them. We did joint ventures brought military equipment worth billions. Showcased them as friends all over.

Mid 90's their country was in disarray we still stuck with them and when their deliveries became erratic and costs escalated without quality we started looking elsewhere in our defense interest,So came in Israel and other deals but we still kept investing in weapon systems development along with them. Next we know they are selling the same technology which we paid for and got developed as special enhancements for our defense are being sold to other countries. So it was no friendship



Started importing weaponary from Israel starting from 1970 (before 71 war). By 1990s, India had options to buy from France & other European countries. Every multi-billion defence deals have several problems with quality & delivery. Those things do happen. Selling weaponary to other countries is at that country's discretion.
mee friend ki oka grocery store undi, meeku kavalsinavi ammadu.. mee enemy ki kooda ammadu.. appudu meeku.. mee friend ki friendship lenatte na?
Russia ki India ki friendship treaty undi, in case of any territorial threats, Russia will come to aid India.
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any point of discussion is our UN seat and Russia's support. I think this is posturing on part of Putin to try and bring back India to their side, where for the first time in 60 years we are exerting an independent foreign policy which is in the interest of the nation than based on stupid philosophical leaning of Nehru and his dynasty.<<<


completely agreed..
 

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Ruj:


any point of discussion is our UN seat and Russia's support. I think this is posturing on part of Putin to try and bring back India to their side, where for the first time in 60 years we are exerting an independent foreign policy which is in the interest of the nation than based on stupid philosophical leaning of Nehru and his dynasty.
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Ruj:

avunu..alage firstpostlo 3 full stoplu etta..rendo postlo rende etta..ellehess..


 

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FIrst emo friendship buss annav.. malla close friend of india kaadu antunnav..
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Kindal:

I follow the developments there. To anger US, Russia has sold advanced technologies to China too. India was informed in advance about the tech being sold to Faks. Remember, India sided by Russia during Crimea crisis, and we are enjoying a lot of benefits. Ex- check ONGCs investments in Russian energy assets & technologies.
India has diversified defense imports. India purchased advanced avionics surveillance systems from Israel.
Syrian crisis is geopolitical war between US/Saudi and Russia/Iran. Let them expend their resources there. Why should we be bothered about Russia's behaviour there?



Exactly my point too, there is no friendship , when the whole world was against it, we in the name of socialism and comrades stuck with them. We did joint ventures brought military equipment worth billions. Showcased them as friends all over.

Mid 90's their country was in disarray we still stuck with them and when their deliveries became erratic and costs escalated without quality we started looking elsewhere in our defense interest,So came in Israel and other deals but we still kept investing in weapon systems development along with them. Next we know they are selling the same technology which we paid for and got developed as special enhancements for our defense are being sold to other countries. So it was no friendship
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Ruj:

Russia manaki friend anedhi hindi is national language typelo unna peddha buss propaganda...



Ruj:

all im saying is.."Russia is a close firend of india" is a myth..



FIrst emo friendship buss annav.. malla close friend of india kaadu antunnav..

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India's international image is severely dented by congress. despite the 2nd largest country, and 4th largest military power, no one even treat us as a soft power too.. Congress lackluster diplomatic approach, Nehru's stupid non alignment principles made us aloof ourselves from rest of the world..

oka chinna example chepta.. how successive congress govts crippled our diplomatic relations ani..

mana IFS strength is just 900. yes. 900. for a country of 1.2 billion ppl, our diplomatic strength is same as that of a singapore (with 5M population) or new zealand.

where as for US it is 15000, and for china it is 5000


unna staff kooda gollu gillukuntu untaru.. decades aina kadalani mana diplomatic process tho..
 

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Okahyderabadi:

kindal tammi, no country is a permanent friend of another country. Russia under Putin is no friend of another country. They are just business partners in ventures , be it the case of Brahmos or any other system. Putin has gone behind our back and is selling SU30 to Pakistan and host of other countries. India had invested billions in upgrading the system and paying for development of advanced avionics and the same is being sold to other countries. Same is the case with other weapons systems as well.

So realities have changed since the 2000's now Russia is just like a vendor country who will sell technology to any country which is paying the $. THey are trying to regain their position Geopolitically and will not stop at anything to get there as apparent from their support of Syria and other countries.



I follow the developments there. To anger US, Russia has sold advanced technologies to China too. India was informed in advance about the tech being sold to Faks. Remember, India sided by Russia during Crimea crisis, and we are enjoying a lot of benefits. Ex- check ONGCs investments in Russian energy assets & technologies.
India has diversified defense imports. India purchased advanced avionics surveillance systems from Israel.
Syrian crisis is geopolitical war between US/Saudi and Russia/Iran. Let them expend their resources there. Why should we be bothered about Russia's behaviour there?
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OKahyd,

kindal tammi, no country is a permanent friend of another country. Russia under Putin is no friend of another country. They are just business partners in ventures , be it the case of Brahmos or any other system. Putin has gone behind our back and is selling SU30 to Pakistan and host of other countries. India had invested billions in upgrading the system and paying for development of advanced avionics and the same is being sold to other countries. Same is the case with other weapons systems as well.

So realities have changed since the 2000's now Russia is just like a vendor country who will sell technology to any country which is paying the $. THey are trying to regain their position Geopolitically and will not stop at anything to get there as apparent from their support of Syria and other countries.<<<<


okahyd bhayya...exactly my point..putin, at this point, will respect only power.....
 

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annai, first emo friendship bus annav, next emo 80s varaku anti-US andukee support chesaru annav.., UN lo India favour ga chala sarlu vote vesaru ante.. adi kooad anti-US antav.. technology transfer chesaru ante.. ekkuva dabbulaki cheap technology ammaru antav
asalu aa weaponary technology ki market place ledu, manaki ivvadaniki US eppudu addu padedi.. Russia did great help to India in very hard times.

<<<
kindal tammai...1970 Nixon timelo link tappa ee na matta matter teliyani neeku disco avasaramaa?? side ki ellu please..i have no intention wasting my time reading ur crap..


emanna antee velli gudi katta ledu.. they are anti-India antav.. leka potee Saudi meeda edupu correct antav..<<<

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all im saying is.."Russia is a close firend of india" is a myth..


80s varaku..russiaki china and US enemies..so obvious choice was india..but since then india started evolving and leaning towards west..
and Russia china grew closer..


relations with india got downgraded a bit there after since 90s..and Russia which never supplied arms to pak before, start doing so since last decade..


basically in a nut shell all im saying is its mutual interests tappa Russia india ante meedha padi manusu paresukundi emi ledu..

same with west..



even when Russia was helping us a lot until 80s it took back a lot..bharat rakshaklo chala yrs back chadiva..how Russia manaki help chesindhi yet manani ni jurrukundi kooda oka rangelo ani..it was purely business..

ok, when west wasn't ready to do even business with india Russia did..so dani kosam gratitude ante..ok..good..

but calling it close friend etc is a diff story..im willing to change my opionion if u hit me with facts..I just told my perception based on the knowledge I have..
 

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Ruj:

that is my post kindal tammai.



annai, first emo friendship bus annav, next emo 80s varaku anti-US andukee support chesaru annav.., UN lo India favour ga chala sarlu vote vesaru ante.. adi kooad anti-US antav.. technology transfer chesaru ante.. ekkuva dabbulaki cheap technology ammaru antav
asalu aa weaponary technology ki market place ledu, manaki ivvadaniki US eppudu addu padedi.. Russia did great help to India in very hard times.
emanna antee velli gudi katta ledu.. they are anti-India antav.. leka potee Saudi meeda edupu correct antav..

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Kindal:

Ruj:
'll change my opinion..im not for/anti Russia..but my perception chebuthuna..I might be wrong..happy to be corrected..

1971 War: How Russia sank Nixon�s gunboat diplomacy.
http://in.rbth.com/articles/2011/12/20/1971_war_how_russia_s ank_nixons_gunboat_diplomacy_14041


kindal tammi, no country is a permanent friend of another country. Russia under Putin is no friend of another country. They are just business partners in ventures , be it the case of Brahmos or any other system. Putin has gone behind our back and is selling SU30 to Pakistan and host of other countries. India had invested billions in upgrading the system and paying for development of advanced avionics and the same is being sold to other countries. Same is the case with other weapons systems as well.

So realities have changed since the 2000's now Russia is just like a vendor country who will sell technology to any country which is paying the $. THey are trying to regain their position Geopolitically and will not stop at anything to get there as apparent from their support of Syria and other countries.
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Ipc302:

cow essay ayipothe oka vishayam ardham chesukondi...if we are so great why would anybody try to strengthen such a country...dont you think giving more power to such a nation is harmful to the already established members...inka manam eppati nuncho pushing for PMship but hasnt moved at all.


precisely. u need to grab what is rightfully urs.. and India is muscling to do that thru diplomacy. Intl relations lo no one is a friend or foe. countries act based on mutual benefits. so try giving an impression to as many countries as possible that a place for India in UNSC benefit their cause more.

ala impression create cheyyali ante we should be more actively engage in intl missions than being isolated ourself. Its a long process. and steps are paced up now.
 

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Ruj:



Russia voted many a times in Indias favour
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1338&dat=19620623&id= fTRYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=S_cDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3929,5622913&hl=en
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1971 War: How Russia sank Nixon�s gunboat diplomacy.
http://in.rbth.com/articles/2011/12/20/1971_war_how_russia_s ank_nixons_gunboat_diplomacy_14041


<<<US ki anti ga ground kosam manaki help cheyatam tappinchi 80s varaku<<<<

that is my post kindal tammai..:-)
 

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Ruj:

okahyd annai..hru...kopam em ledu..kindal kurrodu monna vere topiclo ragging ayyaka aa topic ki ee threadlo topic ki link etti gukkapetti crying..so


doing gud tammi, ok, sudden ga thread lo vere talk vachindenti anukunna
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Ruj:

'll change my opinion..im not for/anti Russia..but my perception chebuthuna..I might be wrong..happy to be corrected..



1971 War: How Russia sank Nixonâs gunboat diplomacy.
http://in.rbth.com/articles/2011/12/20/1971_war_how_russia_s ank_nixons_gunboat_diplomacy_14041
!ntfi
 

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Ruj:


last 30yrslo friendshiplo bagam ga Russia india ki oodapodisindhi ento seppu




vaadike dikku ledu..after breaking up into pieces..vaadu manaki ichedi enti..
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 02:51 pm:       

evari meeda tammi kopam<<

okahyd annai..hru...kopam em ledu..kindal kurrodu monna vere topiclo ragging ayyaka aa topic ki ee threadlo topic ki link etti gukkapetti crying..so:D
 

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Brest selfie on the earth is taking selfie in un sec council anti modi tho cheppandi- he will make it happen
 

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rofl.. monna emi dinchaaru.. prati post lo edavadam thappitee Saudi meeda <<

disco ki points leka ee range jumping sesavo soosam le kaani...text book lo rednu humanist linelu raasukochi appajeppadam tappa..oka arugement ledu padu ledu..lol...





vere ye examples gurtu raa leda? oNLY BHAKTI relted ve gurtuku vastaya eppudu

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recent example ani cheppa ga..adhe gurthu undi..nee hindu phobia endi ra nayana veera humanistuuu???
 

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LOL Who told you ? Please check below link for details

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93Russia_relations

Space Co-operation

India and Russia have both signed agreements for the cooperation and use of GLONASS

India's first Satellite Aryabhata was launched into space with the cooperation of the Soviet Union
Historically, there has been a long history of cooperation between the Soviet Union and India in Space. Examples include Aryabhata it was India's first satellite,[61] named after an Indian astronomer of the same name.[62] It was launched by the Soviet Union on 19 April 1975[61] from Kapustin Yar using a Kosmos-3M launch vehicle. During President Vladimir Putin's visit to India in December 2004, two space-related bilateral agreements were signed viz. Inter-Governmental umbrella Agreement on co-operation in the outer space for peaceful purposes and the Inter Space Agency Agreement on co-operation in the Russian satellite navigation system GLONASS. Subsequently a number of follow-up agreements on GLONASS have been signed. In November 2007, the two countries have signed an agreement on joint lunar exploration. These space co-operation programmes are under implementation. Chandrayaan-2 is a joint lunar exploration mission proposed by the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) and the Russian Federal Space Agency (RKA) and has a projected cost of 4.25 billion (US$90 million). The mission, proposed to be launched in 2017 by a Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV) launch vehicle, includes a lunar orbiter and a rover made in India as well as one lander built by Russia.<<<<


annai aa aryabhatta launch timelo india nundi Russians exuberent prices pindaru ani oka article chadiva..will try to find the link..i might be wrong..

alage ..US ki anti ga ground kosam manaki help cheyatam tappinchi 80s varaku..outdated weapons manaki ammatam like how Europe does tappinchi..how r they friends anedhi naa kochen..

..they r ok business partners..ok....kaani mana daggara unna hype enti..growinup I assumed Russia is like our brother..aa range hype undedhi..Russians close friends etc ani......

last 30yrslo friendshiplo bagam ga Russia india ki oodapodisindhi ento seppu

..i'll change my opinion..im not for/anti Russia..but my perception chebuthuna..I might be wrong..happy to be corrected..
 

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Ruj:

I just gave it as an example..they don't care hoot abt india..manam thodal kottukotam tappithe..



vere ye examples gurtu raa leda? oNLY BHAKTI relted ve gurtuku vastaya eppudu


Ruj:

lol..grow up..neek a postlo gudi bhakti congree licker inni kanipinchayi ante..papam monna digindhi inka noppiga undi anamaata....



rofl.. monna emi dinchaaru.. prati post lo edavadam thappitee Saudi meeda
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Ruj:


evari meeda tammi kopam
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temple kattaka potee friends kaada.. okk<<


I just gave it as an example..they don't care hoot abt india..manam thodal kottukotam tappithe..






annai, akkada matter enti antee.. oka gudi katta ledu. so friends kaadu.. bhakti angle meeru miss avutunnaru.. manam entha evidence ichinaa manam congress lickers mi avuthamm..<<<

lol..grow up..neek a postlo gudi bhakti congree licker inni kanipinchayi ante..papam monna digindhi inka noppiga undi anamaata....
 

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Okahyderabadi:


read the link given it has the entire info
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Cool_indian:

Can you throw some light as to why we deserve in 1950 ?


This is not a discussion why we deserve it, it was offered to us and Nehru did not take it

"A peculiar atmosphere of rumor surrounds Indiaâs history as a possible permanent member of the Security Council. An online search will lead one to heated debates on the existence, or not, of an early offer to India of a permanent seat on that august body. In 2005, âThis Day That Age,â a column in The Hindu, featured a reprint of a 1955 story on Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehruâs denial in Parliament of the rumors of a recent offer of a UN Security Council seat by the Soviet Union, showing both the interest in the topic in 1955 and 2005.[1] Despite Nehruâs denial then, and online debates now, the 1955 offer from the Soviets is in fact well-documented, although perhaps not widely known. The angst over these rumors merges history and contemporary politics, with those arguing that such offers existed, and were refused, keen to ram what they consider to be another nail into the coffin of Jawaharlal Nehruâs reputation, Indiaâs sometime socialist and avowedly secular first Prime Minister, who it is argued, in his idealism, failed to secure Indiaâs national interest.[2]

That the 1955 incident was publicly discussed in 2002 in print by AG Noorani, a major scholar of modern Indian history and politics, has not ended the rumor-mongering.[3] However, new evidence of an even earlier offerâby the US in August 1950âto assist India in assuming a permanent seat at the UN Security Council has recently emerged, adding substantially to what Noorani earlier wrote. Nehruâs rejection of the US offer underlined the consistency of his conviction that the PRCâs legitimate interests must be acknowledged in order to reduce international tensions. Integrating the PRC into the international community by conceding its right to the Chinese seat at the Security Council was in fact a central pillar of Nehruâs foreign policy. Nehruâs skepticism about accepting this offer, and thereby disrupting the dynamics of the UN, revealed the reverence he had for the international organization, despite its flaws. Furthermore, his principled rejection of the USâs suggestion indicates Indian agency in its difficult relations with the US at this time. Finally, Nehruâs sense that India deserved recognition as a great country was made plain, although this was qualified by his refusal to compromise core principles to gain such recognition. That the US made such an approach to India also suggests that the traditional emphasis on the USâs early attempt to pursue an even-handed approach to the subcontinentâs major powers and defer to the UKâs greater experience in the region ought to be reconsidered. Furthermore, this episode enriches our understanding of the US governmentâs internal wrangling over how to bend the UN to its interests in this early stage of the Cold Wa
- See more at: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/not-the-cost-china- india-and-the-united-nations-security-council-1950#sthash.i1 5KSL8N.dpuf
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Ipc302:

Brazil, germany japan vellantha emavvali.




ee G4 andaru kalisi trying kada..so that security council is made of 10..

Africa vallu ready for rotation basis..of the 10th seat..or atleast that is what it sounds like..

kakapothe Brazil ki Arg/Mexico
India ki Fekistan
Japan ki against gaa Korea..
Germany ki against gaa some country..not able to recollect

unnai..opposing their inclusion
 

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Okahyderabadi:

Idi kooda chacha nehru chesina nirvakam, otherwise we would be on the UN council in the 1950's itself, Nehru in his usual altruistic and idiotic views gave the seat to china




UK lo ante Mountbatten unnadu..appudu China lo evaru unnaru abba..thatha itla seyyadaniki
 

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Okahyderabadi:

otherwise we would be on the UN council in the 1950's itself,




Can you throw some light as to why we deserve in 1950 ?
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 01:48 pm:       

India enduku eligible kaadu ane kanna...are the current countries eligible...except US, are the other countries grew in the same pace (positively or negatively) ever since the UNSC is formed. COmapre that with the growth of these other countries that are asking for a seat.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 01:47 pm:       

Idi kooda chacha nehru chesina nirvakam, otherwise we would be on the UN council in the 1950's itself, Nehru in his usual altruistic and idiotic views gave the seat to china
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/not-the-cost-china- india-and-the-united-nations-security-council-1950
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 01:28 pm:       

sacchina barre paalu pithakadam denikandi? UN ki okappudunna relevance ledu ippudu... edo false prestige tappithe...
 

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orinee yenkamma
issue divert chesi atheists, sickulars "temple", "temple" - asalu vishayaanni pakka drova pattistunnaarugaa.

maamulu etakaaram kaadugaa


India is the pioneer of NAM....so we're neither pro-Russia nor pro-US as far as allegiances are concerned in the USSR vs US fight. But we got a lot of help from Russia, so we treat them as friends.
But in this context, everybody is doing lip service...barkinb bob ayite ekamgaa Indian Parliament lo cheppaadu...we support ani...as is his usual approach...he didn't actually mean it. This was always a 50% chance anyway - because of their flip-flop nature.
China...we always knew they are against it.
ippudu Russia - ilaa cheyyatam maatram ...unexpected...

UNSC is a joke in today's context...no perm mem from South America, Africa...3 perm mem from Europe...It has to change. If it doesn't change then UN will soon become void. (As against someone who said below...if there are 10 Perm Mem then UN will become void...)
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 10:43 am:       

//valu temple kattaledu..lite annaru..
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RAM MANDIR kadathamu ani cheppi 3 times power lo ki vachhinollu adi kattara

valle light annappudu Russia vodu enduku anadu
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 10:40 am:       

1950 lo oppurtunity vasthe NEHRU said lost it.

opportunity anedi only knocks once.

Idi mee jevitham lo jaragadu

manaki manm goppa pakkanodiki kaadu

ee population, democracy anevi nothing counts.

need to show your economic power if your word needs value
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 10:27 am:       

russia vadu lekunte.. manam ee patiki.. ee africa la unde vallam..

emaina advancement jarigindi ante.. russia valle india lo..

USA vadu.. mana mida cheyyalsinadi antha chesi.. ippudu nakka la behave chestunnadu.

Russia ne lekkunte. mana isro ledu.. na DRDL ledu.. kottu kettesi.. kukondi..

ippudu india ... russia ni vadilesi.. america sanka nakutundi.. america vadu... mana deggara unna juice nakeshi.. pk ganni leputhadu.. manam appudu edaganla lekka sudali
 

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Kindal:




saud meeda post tho leg pulling...take it easy
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 10:24 am:       

russia temple kattakapothe enti issue...manaki chala help chesaru...
manaki unna true friend.. only russia..

inthaki BJP vollu kattara...rama mandir.
 

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Asdf:

asalu akkada abuse vundo ledo manaku telidu. akkada vunna valla ki leni badha mana ki enduku \run



abuse gurinchi post cheyyaledu.. Russia has 1,40,000 + Hindus in that country.
temple kattadam lo politics unnayi ani.. aa country manaki friend kaadu.. emi cheyya ledu.. buthu antee. how?
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Ipc302:

mana asia lo India Japan come under this basis...europe lo germany italy, africa lo south africa is looking for an african seat...brzil wants SA seat and also manchi economy ye undhi




ejjactly. just mana janabha intha vundi ani adagatam correct kaad antunna
 

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Asdf:

nenu seppindi representation on basis of numbers vaddu ani gola sestam kada. how can we use this argument antunna.

India contribution wrt economy, geopolitical reasons meeda kada adagaali?



mee kamedy ardam kaledhu...grammer mistakes valana anukunta

economy geopolitical ante oka 4-5 nations unnayi europe asia africa south america lo ...mana asia lo India Japan come under this basis...europe lo germany italy, africa lo south africa is looking for an african seat...brzil wants SA seat and also manchi economy ye undhi
 

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Kindal:

annai, akkada matter enti antee.. oka gudi katta ledu. so friends kaadu.. bhakti angle meeru miss avutunnaru.. manam entha evidence ichinaa manam congress lickers mi avuthamm..




asalu akkada abuse vundo ledo manaku telidu. akkada vunna valla ki leni badha mana ki enduku \run
 

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annai, akkada matter enti antee.. oka gudi katta ledu. so friends kaadu.. bhakti angle meeru miss avutunnaru.. manam entha evidence ichinaa manam congress lickers mi avuthamm..
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late enduku Supreme court ki ee vishayam cheppeyyi...immediate ga reservation process ni change chesthaar...get set go




nenu seppindi representation on basis of numbers vaddu ani gola sestam kada. how can we use this argument antunna.

India contribution wrt economy, geopolitical reasons meeda kada adagaali?
 

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Asdf:

same logic can be used for reservations, no?




reservation concept is good upto some extent, mana degara dani kanpu chesii dobarruu adhe kadha problemm
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 10:04 am:       


Ruj:

Russia manaki friend anedhi hindi is national language typelo unna peddha buss propaganda...

manaki patha samanlu high cost ki ammatam nundi.




LOL Who told you ? Please check below link for details

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93Russia_relations

Space Co-operation

India and Russia have both signed agreements for the cooperation and use of GLONASS

India's first Satellite Aryabhata was launched into space with the cooperation of the Soviet Union
Historically, there has been a long history of cooperation between the Soviet Union and India in Space. Examples include Aryabhata it was India's first satellite,[61] named after an Indian astronomer of the same name.[62] It was launched by the Soviet Union on 19 April 1975[61] from Kapustin Yar using a Kosmos-3M launch vehicle. During President Vladimir Putin's visit to India in December 2004, two space-related bilateral agreements were signed viz. Inter-Governmental umbrella Agreement on co-operation in the outer space for peaceful purposes and the Inter Space Agency Agreement on co-operation in the Russian satellite navigation system GLONASS. Subsequently a number of follow-up agreements on GLONASS have been signed. In November 2007, the two countries have signed an agreement on joint lunar exploration. These space co-operation programmes are under implementation. Chandrayaan-2 is a joint lunar exploration mission proposed by the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) and the Russian Federal Space Agency (RKA) and has a projected cost of 4.25 billion (US$90 million). The mission, proposed to be launched in 2017 by a Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV) launch vehicle, includes a lunar orbiter and a rover made in India as well as one lander built by Russia.
 

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Ruj:

oka simple ejjample..Russia india firendshiplo bagam ga...manam capital lo Russian orthodoxy church kadutham..valu akkada hindu temple kadutharu ani congress timelo edho oppandham..manam church kattesam..valu temple kattaledu..lite annaru..



temple kattaka potee friends kaada.. okk
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 10:00 am:       

Kashmir issue lo india ki full support chesindi russia ne...

china - US -Pak ok group ayithe russia chesina help antha intha kadu

every missile programme... fighter jet programmes..military hardware anta imported from russia

chivaraki IIT bombay start chesinappudu Aeronatics engineering professors kooda leru manaki...russia nundi techi 2 yrs train the trainer program ettaru
 

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Asdf:

same logic can be used for reservations, no?



late enduku Supreme court ki ee vishayam cheppeyyi...immediate ga reservation process ni change chesthaar...get set go
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:50 am:       


Okatelugodu:

India eligible enduku kaadu. India is 1/6th of world population. India eligible kaka pothe evvaroo kaa koodadu




same logic can be used for reservations, no?
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:49 am:       

oka simple ejjample..Russia india firendshiplo bagam ga...manam capital lo Russian orthodoxy church kadutham..valu akkada hindu temple kadutharu ani congress timelo edho oppandham..manam church kattesam..valu temple kattaledu..lite annaru..


lol..
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:48 am:       

Russia manaki friend anedhi hindi is national language typelo unna peddha buss propaganda...

manaki patha samanlu high cost ki ammatam nundi..china tho kalisi kummakku varaku manaki Russia tho peddha origindhi emi ledu..

okapudu US Russia cold war timelo US pak ni support chesthe Russia manaki support chesindhi..antha varake..


Putin respects only power..and so he is with china..

 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:47 am:       

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/russia-assures-india-of-suppo rt-on-un-security-council-permanent-seat-1218316

ikkada verega undi news...
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:42 am:       


Okatelugodu:

India eligible enduku kaadu. India is 1/6th of world population. India eligible kaka pothe evvaroo kaa koodadu




ilage anukunta undandi...manaki population undhi so annitlo manaki vaata ivvali....
if UNSC is expanded then it has to include more countries not just India...that itself is a problem...ofor every country that wants a permanent membeship many will oppose or want it...if India is on the basis of population then apki is on the basis of religion...Islam is 2-3 billion peopla and they dont have a seat in the UNSC permanent membership..Paki is also Nuclear nation like india and many will support from the OIC...desa bhakthi pakkana etti agarbhatthi eliginchu bhayya...russia ni enduk antaru...brother brother ye poker poker ye
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:38 am:       


Bumper:

second highest population among all countries. peace loving country. and we are developing nation. manam enduku eligible kaduu. manam entha thoppe pakkana vadu vachi chepte kani manku teliyadhu(ex: yoga, ayurvedha etc)



Bongaram:

4th largest military power in the world.. India was not acted according to its strength so far.. passive power. Now modi govt changing it.. anduke actively pushing for permanent member position



cow essay ayipothe oka vishayam ardham chesukondi...if we are so great why would anybody try to strengthen such a country...dont you think giving more power to such a nation is harmful to the already established members...inka manam eppati nuncho pushing for PMship but hasnt moved at all...will not move in the near future...too many countries are vying for it and many opposing each country ...telugu serials lo kooda intha drama revenge and back stabbing undadhu

u think of India and say why not..others say why not brazil...largest nation in south america blah blah ....germany has more economic clout that rest of europe..why not them
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:37 am:       


Ipc302:

UNSC lo permanent membership manam okallame eligible kaadhu kadha....




India eligible enduku kaadu. India is 1/6th of world population. India eligible kaka pothe evvaroo kaa koodadu
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:36 am:       

rasya oppandam enduku ante..

mana defence technology. DRDO technology.. Space technology.. anni kuda Rasya edama chetto eshina bicchame..

Mana isro use chese rocket engine antha Russia ne..

MIG antha Russia ne..

Manam built chese aircraft kuda russia vallu esina bicchame..

so russia ni titakandi.. vadu help sesina dani valle Mana DRDL unna stayi lo undi.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:32 am:       


Ipc302:

thammudu manaki manam thopu anukuntamu...bayata antha scene ledhu manaki..



Karimnagar Pawan Fan
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:32 am:       


Kindal:

pratidi gomata jai


psycho sickulars laaga annitiki gandhi family ni naakala
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:28 am:       


Bongaram:

Now modi govt changing it



pratidi gomata jai
!ntfi
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:21 am:       


Ipc302:

thammudu manaki manam thopu anukuntamu...bayata antha scene ledhu manaki...UNSC lo permanent membership manam okallame eligible kaadhu kadha....Brazil, germany japan vellantha emavvali


4th largest military power in the world.. India was not acted according to its strength so far.. passive power. Now modi govt changing it.. anduke actively pushing for permanent member position
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:19 am:       

Read this for some clarity on the issue. Friend ayina anni issues lo support cheyyaru kada
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPJ-C5lWEAAADq0.jpg:large
!ntfi
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:17 am:       


Ipc302:

thammudu manaki manam thopu anukuntamu...bayata antha scene ledhu manaki...UNSC lo permanent membership manam okallame eligible kaadhu kadha....Brazil, germany japan vellantha emavvali....we lost the chance in 1950s nw chala kastam....already 5 Veto countries thone intha thala noppi imagine 10 countries in it...




second highest population among all countries. peace loving country. and we are developing nation. manam enduku eligible kaduu. manam entha thoppe pakkana vadu vachi chepte kani manku teliyadhu(ex: yoga, ayurvedha etc)
Snakes in Your backyard won't bite only your neighbours.
#Hillary Clinton
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:16 am:       

russia once upon a time cold war time lo besht friend..ippudu kadhu.
http://i.imgur.com/eUYcc.gif
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:16 am:       


Ipc302:

imagine 10 countries in it..




UN void aipothadi appudu :-)
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
~Friedrich Nietzsche
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:13 am:       

thammudu manaki manam thopu anukuntamu...bayata antha scene ledhu manaki...UNSC lo permanent membership manam okallame eligible kaadhu kadha....Brazil, germany japan vellantha emavvali....we lost the chance in 1950s nw chala kastam....already 5 Veto countries thone intha thala noppi imagine 10 countries in it...
 

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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 09:06 am:       

okati eppudu ardham kaadu...... rahasya oppandham ani rastaru how yaa. secret pact ayinapudu etta telustadi adhi ayyindhi ani :D

more over our love is more evident towards US than Russia maybe that irked them?
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
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Posted on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 08:58 am:       

Russia manam jan jingrii antaruu. anthaa buss ae na itheyy???

http://www.andhrajyothy.com/Artical?SID=153125
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