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Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 09:35 am:       


Tilak:

in 1980 elections? against whom?





against Janatha party....naa first post lo article chaduvu.....


Tilak:

how exactly? Indira G support tho PM aina Charan Singh ki .. Indira G meeda action teesukune scene undeda? asalu antha ethical politician aa Charan Singh?




Moraji badulu Charan singh PM ayyivunte vere la vundedhi ani ......indira suported Charan singh kaadhu.........Charan singh,socialists swept UP, Bihar , it was on Charan singh party BLD symbol Janata party contested election and he was allegedly promised the PM post......both Charan Singh and jagjivan Ram were strong contenders for PM position....Even when he withdrew support to janata party 64 MPs walked out with Charan Singh......It would have been much better government had Charan singh became PM
 

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Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 09:14 am:       


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kontha masala vunna mundhu nundi backstabbing nature vunna Vajpayee ala chesadu ante ascharya padalsindemi ledhu.


Vajpayee shady character ki .. Subbu Swamy jealousy ki madhya lo ekkado untundi truth antunna anthe ..

Vjavasi:

RSS supported Indira after Janatha fall.....


in 1980 elections? against whom?

Vjavasi:

Charan singh aithe chitram vere laga vundedhi


how exactly? Indira G support tho PM aina Charan Singh ki .. Indira G meeda action teesukune scene undeda? asalu antha ethical politician aa Charan Singh?
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Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 08:45 am:       


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I tried finding evidence for that on internet .. ee subbu aaropanalu tappa .. inkevaru report cheyyaledu that such a big event happened .. anyways .. something I came across from a somewhat neutral source -




Subbu swamy cheppinavi anni abaddali aithe mari RSS Bjp ni enduku force chesindhi party loki teesukomani......Vajpayee sonia to compromise ayyadu ani andhariki telusu......mari Indira to compromise ayyadu ante nammasakyam ee
 

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Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 08:41 am:       


Tilak:

I tried finding evidence for that on internet .. ee subbu aaropanalu tappa .. inkevaru report cheyyaledu that such a big event happened .. anyways .. something I came across from a somewhat neutral source -





aa time lo govt lo vunna vallki telustundhi........ippudu intha media access vunna govt lo emi jarugutundhi....evaru emi padkamu vestunnaru teliyadhu.....Subbu Swamy was very close to Morarji....kontha masala vunna mundhu nundi backstabbing nature vunna Vajpayee ala chesadu ante ascharya padalsindemi ledhu.

Indira Janata party govt ni padagottataniki.....Charan Singh through Rajnarain, RSS, Vajpayee andharini vadindhi.....RSS supported Indira after Janatha fall.....Janta party under Moraji treated Indira with kid gloves.....Janta party lo vundi Indira ki help chesaru...Charan singh aithe chitram vere laga vundedhi

Here is what an article on Advani says referring to Balraj Madhok

http://www.indiatomorrow.co/index.php/nation/1150-why-was-ad vani-s-rath-found-near-jinnah-s-mazhar

In blunt words, he has chosen to pander whatever was in political vogue at the moment, be it Hindutva, cultural nationalism, secularism and then outright minorityism. Balraj Madhok, Jan Sangh veteran — whose ouster from the party was orchestrated by the Atal-Advani duo in his incisive book “Zindagi ka Safar” lays bare the real character of the man who sold the nation the dope that he was Iron man Sardar patel reincarnate. Madhok exposes Advani as one of the most indecisive, feckless and detrimental politicians. In fact, it was Advani’s listless tenure as the I&b Minister in the short-lived Janata Party government (1977-79) that facilitated Indira Gandhi’s return to power in 1980.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 08:26 am:       


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aayina according to swamy Vajpayee, Hegde try chesau anta after Morarji fall


I tried finding evidence for that on internet .. ee subbu aaropanalu tappa .. inkevaru report cheyyaledu that such a big event happened .. anyways .. something I came across from a somewhat neutral source -


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HOWEVER, HE had also made one powerful enemy: Atal Bihari Vajpayee. Nobody is quite sure why the feud began. Some say Vajpayee felt threatened.




http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main51.asp?filename=Ne31121 1Coverstory.asp
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Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 08:06 am:       

Asalu Charam Singh ni PM chesi vunte Janata party paristithi vere la vundedhi.....Indira meedha strict action teesukoni vundevadu.....oka velamadhya lo govt padipoyina malla gelichevadu......UP, Bihar North India ni sweep chesina Charan singh, socialists ni vadilesi Moraji ni PM chesadu JP......Janata party fought on Charan Singh's Bharatiya Lok Dal symbol
 

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Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 07:58 am:       


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ok .. lets believe he wanted to remove the PM himself .. and then what? did he try to be PM? else, isnt he losing his own post? adi logically, power hungry evadaina chestada?





inkoti....Sonia Gandhi ne Vajpayee ni black mail cheyyagaligindhi......mari Vajpayee vedhava panulu anni telisina Indira.....emergency appudu Indiraki apology letters rasina Vajpayee ni black mail chesi vundachu.....According to the article posted here on Congress-RSS links Raj Narain, RSS, Indira together agreed on bringing down Morarji govt through Charan Singh

Subbu swamy - Sonia blackmailed Vajpayee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRVPFKeTY1E


http://www.outlookindia.com/article/why-vajpayee-hates-swamy /205236

AFTER the 1977 general elections, based on the assurances given by Vajpayee and Nana Goray, Jagjivan Ram was confident of becoming the PM. The Jan Sangh had 102 MPs and the Socialists had 35 and Jagjivan Ram had 27 MPs. That is, out of 318 MPs, nearly half of them were behind Jagjivan Ram. But when Charan Singh clearly expressed that his choice was only Morarji Desai, Vajpayee did a silent somersault and met JP and said that he was willing to change his support. I was there with JP when Vajpayee came running—panting for breath—and expressed his support to Morarji. Jayaprakash Narain turned towards me and winked his gleaming eyes and smiled. Poor Jagjivan Ram was not aware of these developments."}}
 

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Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 07:49 am:       


Tilak:

ok .. lets believe he wanted to remove the PM himself .. and then what? did he try to be PM? else, isnt he losing his own post? adi logically, power hungry evadaina chestada?






enno karanala valla cheyyochu.......ippudu Sushna enduku antha silly ga Lalit Modi ki help chesindhi risk teesukoni.....bayatapadithe issue avutundhi ani telisi kooda......govt padipotundhi ani Vajapayee ankoni vundakapovachu........foreign minister ga vundi Morarji kindha kukka batuku bathike badulu padadobhi malla sontha party lo king avudamu anukunnadu emo....elago Janata party dwara tanu PMavvatam kastam.....aayina according to swamy Vajpayee, Hegde try chesau anta after Morarji fall

"Though Charan Singh got a bad name for pulling down the Morarji government, the real culprits are Vajpayee and Ramakrishna Hegde. They deliberately engineered a duel between Charan Singh and Morarji and in the process pushed down Morarji. It was Vajpayee and Hegde who met the president with the letter claiming support of 279 MPs. Out of this 23 MPs' signatures were forged. Investigative agencies alerted the president and he made it public. A shocked Morarji resigned and withdrew from the public life. In fact, on that day Hegde and Vajpayee should have quit public life."}}
 

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Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 01:46 am:       


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baletodivi vayya CPI - CPI(M) split is basically pro Russia & pro china fight.


Adi who to follow .. whose model is superior ani .. nationalism ante teliyani communist olla picha .. what has Jan Sangh to do with senseless communism?

Vjavasi:

Roju dobbulette vadu anta Morarji vajpayee ni......Vajpayee ki entha insecurity ante Jana sangh nundi 90 MPs gelisthe only tanu tana chamcha Advani ministers ayyaru.......vajpayee aim was to remove Morarjee...


ok .. lets believe he wanted to remove the PM himself .. and then what? did he try to be PM? else, isnt he losing his own post? adi logically, power hungry evadaina chestada?

Vjavasi:

ippudu Sushma swaraj foreign minister naaku idhi chalu anukuntundha?


ee NaMo govt lo ministry chestunna Sushma .. NaMo govt padipoye penta cheste .. tanaki vachedi enti? sontam ga govt establish chesi PM avvagalige capacity unte .. edanna point unnattu .. lekapothe unna padavi kuda dobbada? powerless people ki govts padagotte scene ekkadidi?
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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 10:08 pm:       


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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 10:01 pm:       


Tilak:

This is the reason Subbu gave. What kind of reason is that? Vajpayee was a Soviet thothu? Even if he is, why would Soviet stop India - China friendship from happening? (not to forget the then recent 1962 war?)


baletodivi vayya CPI - CPI(M) split is basically pro Russia & pro china fight. West Bengal lo ayithe chairman Mao ani tirigetollu in those days.
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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 03:44 pm:       


Tilak:

Frankly speaking. Subbu Swamy Vajpayee ni blame chesadu. Ok fine. Let us believe it for a moment that it is truth. Enduku chesadu? What is the motive? What interest Vajpayee has in seeing that the govt in which he is the Foreign Minister, should fall?





Roju dobbulette vadu anta Morarji vajpayee ni......Vajpayee ki entha insecurity ante Jana sangh nundi 90 MPs gelisthe only tanu tana chamcha Advani ministers ayyaru.......vajpayee aim was to remove Morarjee....em foreign minister aithe games adara?........ippudu Sushma swaraj foreign minister naaku idhi chalu anukuntundha?.......Socialists entha penta cheSARO.....behind the scene Vajpayee, RSS kooda antha penta chesaru......ee article lo ne RSS, Indira dealings gurinchi chaduvu....
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 03:43 pm:       

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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 03:36 pm:       


Vjavasi:

Vejapayee ekkesadu anta Charan singh ki Virat Hindu prakaram


Frankly speaking. Subbu Swamy Vajpayee ni blame chesadu. Ok fine. Let us believe it for a moment that it is truth. Enduku chesadu? What is the motive? What interest Vajpayee has in seeing that the govt in which he is the Foreign Minister, should fall?

Vjavasi:

Vajpayee's only concern was to please the Soviet Union.


This is the reason Subbu gave. What kind of reason is that? Vajpayee was a Soviet thothu? Even if he is, why would Soviet stop India - China friendship from happening? (not to forget the then recent 1962 war?)

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As a retaliation and to keep Morarji within limits, Vajpayee sowed poison in Charan Singh's mind. It was Vajpayee who first planted the idea of prime ministership in the mind of Charan Singh. He kept meeting Morarji and Charan Singh separately and started spreading stories against each other. Popular perception is that it was Charan Singh who broke Janata. But the fact is that it was Vajpayee who destroyed the fort called Janata.


Anni vishayallo constant questioning chese meeru .. ee vishayam lo matram motives, gains, sources ni question cheyyakunda .. jealous Subbu oka phase of life lo rasina vishayalani as it is ga enduku nammutunnaru?
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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 03:32 pm:       


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These sources said that the RSS had developed a soft corner for Indira Gandhi after the 1971 Indo-Pakistan war and the creation of Bangladesh. During the Emergency, many RSS leaders were jailed. However, Indira Gandhi released some of the top functionaries, following the intervention on their behalf by a close family friend. Throughout her years in opposition, Indira Gandhi never targeted the RSS. Her main thrust was to single out Morarji Desai, Charan Singh and Jagjivan Ram. In the late 1970s, it was becoming evident that Jagjivan Ram could replace Morarji Desai as the Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi was most concerned as she realised that Babuji being a Dalit would be difficult to dislodge. The RSS also had an identical view and so had some others in the Janata Party, including Raj Narain, who eventually backed Charan Singh for the top job and played a role in bringing out the sensational Suresh Ram scandal with the help of Kapil Mohan and two main supporters — K.C.Tyagi (now MP) and Om Pal Singh.}
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 03:28 pm:       


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Janatata govt lo Vajpayee di mandhara role anta.....Moorarji, Charan singh kaikeya role anta Virat Hindu chebutunnadu

MORARJI and Charan Singh are known for their morality. But some immoral elements in the Janata (regime) calculated their personal gain by creating a wedge between them. For instance, Vajpayee was embarrassed when Morarji sternly warned him to stop drinking. In Delhi the Japanese external affairs minister had organised a party. Vajpayee, who was present there as India's external affairs minister, was drunk. I was also invited for that dinner. I was shocked to see the external affairs minister fully intoxicated...

"When Morarji asked me, I told him everything. Then, in front of me, he summoned Vajpayee and abused him. But Vajpayee did not open his mouth. He was standing there like a student caught redhanded for stealing by a teacher. As a retaliation and to keep Morarji within limits, Vajpayee sowed poison in Charan Singh's mind. It was Vajpayee who first planted the idea of prime ministership in the mind of Charan Singh. He kept meeting Morarji and Charan Singh separately and started spreading stories against each other. Popular perception is that it was Charan Singh who broke Janata. But the fact is that it was Vajpayee who destroyed the fort called Janata.

"Morarji and Charan Singh are like Kaikeyee of the Ramayana. In the Janata Ramayana, Kooni's role was played by Vajpayee."}
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 03:26 pm:       


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LOL .. the same very first non-congress govt lo .. over the very same RSS membership issue .. Charan Singh chesina penta ni evaru marchipotaru? how can anyone in their right mind support Charan Singh as PM then? Daniki caste rangu pulamatam .. just pettiness in mind anthe ..

Charan Singh ki entha dwesham lekapothe RSS membership unna vallaki govt lo sthanam undakudadu ani gola chestadu, once in power? adi enti? hypocrisy na? grateful nature aa? patriotism aa?





emi chebuttanavu nuvvu......Charan singh ala annadau ani evaru chepparu?.......motham RSS propaganda edhi chebithe adhe nijamanukuntava.....Vejapayee ekkesadu anta Charan singh ki Virat Hindu prakaram

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/why-vajpayee-hates-swamy /205236

"As the then external affairs minister, Vajpayee tried his best to prevent me from visiting China and he indeed succeeded for a year. However, in 1978, Morarji paved the way for my China visit. Morarji accepted only my ideas about China and totally rejected Vajpayee's readings. Vajpayee's only concern was to please the Soviet Union. His continuation as the external affairs minister was based on his having 91 Jan Sangh MPs under his thumb and only because of this numerical strength he was not removed from the foreign office...

"Though Charan Singh got a bad name for pulling down the Morarji government, the real culprits are Vajpayee and Ramakrishna Hegde. They deliberately engineered a duel between Charan Singh and Morarji and in the process pushed down Morarji. It was Vajpayee and Hegde who met the president with the letter claiming support of 279 MPs. Out of this 23 MPs' signatures were forged. Investigative agencies alerted the president and he made it public. A shocked Morarji resigned and withdrew from the public life. In fact, on that day Hegde and Vajpayee should have quit public life."
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 03:14 pm:       


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lol....small imperfections?.....politiking against first non-congress govt in the country is not small imperfection.....it only shows hypocrisy of leadership.....pretending as opposition but actually collaborating behind the scenes is not small imperfection


LOL .. the same very first non-congress govt lo .. over the very same RSS membership issue .. Charan Singh chesina penta ni evaru marchipotaru? how can anyone in their right mind support Charan Singh as PM then? Daniki caste rangu pulamatam .. just pettiness in mind anthe ..

Charan Singh ki entha dwesham lekapothe RSS membership unna vallaki govt lo sthanam undakudadu ani gola chestadu, once in power? adi enti? hypocrisy na? grateful nature aa? patriotism aa?
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If this article is truthful, it only proves RSS is always patriotic and pro-Hindu, while it may have small imperfections. None can even come close in its record of trying to work for the country and issues of concern for entire Hindu samaj under any regime. For our convenience, we CANNOT pick and choose events told by sources.





lol....small imperfections?.....politiking against first non-congress govt in the country is not small imperfection.....it only shows hypocrisy of leadership.....pretending as opposition but actually collaborating behind the scenes is not small imperfection
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 03:06 pm:       


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Paduko vayya Inka...repu morning job ki povala ledha....


weekend mottam DB ki raledu .. after 48 hours vasthe ive unnayi theds .. :-)

padukunta .. maa tammudu tho Skype session kosam waiting .. plz bear me for an hour :D
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Paduko vayya Inka...repu morning job ki povala ledha....
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 02:52 pm:       

If this article is to be considered as bible and so sacred truth .. here are some crucial tidbits .. that are left out from being highlighted, which should also have been as important points to think/know over ..


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1. Rajiv and the RSS 'bonded' over their aversion to the Communists and their opposition to conversions to Christianity, say sources.

2. However, Arya did say that the clearance of Ramanand Sagar's epic serial Ramayan shown on Doordarshan would not have been possible without the then Prime Minister's direct intervention.

3. For instance, the decision to get the locks opened at the disputed site in Ayodhya was taken by the Prime Minister in consultation with the RSS leadership in the aftermath of the Shah Bano controversy.

4. Rajiv was extremely nervous about the repercussions that would follow and therefore had met Bhaurau. In addition to discussing the Ayodhya matter, the RSS leader impressed upon the Prime Minister to give relief to some tribals in Orissa near the Indian space programme's site. Rajiv had agreed and had instructed Arun Singh on the matter.

5. Another Congress leader, while confirming the bonhomie between Bhaura and the then Prime Minister, stated that the shilanyas at the disputed site was also done at the behest of Rajiv Gandhi, following the meeting with the RSS functionary. It was not merely a coincidence that Rajiv kicked off the Congress campaign in the 1989 elections from Ayodhya, perhaps hoping to reap political benefits from the shilanyas. He even spoke about bringing in Ram Rajya under Congress rule.

6. Sources also stated that Bhaurau had advised Rajiv that he should go in for a Dalit President to succeed Giani Zail Singh.

7. According to sources, two things that had led to a good understanding between Rajiv and the RSS were firstly their aversion for the Communists, and secondly, their opposition for conversions to Christianity.

8. These sources said that the RSS had developed a soft corner for Indira Gandhi after the 1971 Indo-Pakistan war and the creation of Bangladesh.

9. Sources said that Indira Gandhi had improved her relations with the RSS, which silently and secretly supported her party in the 1979-80 elections for the stability of the country. In the aftermath of the Meenakshipuram conversions of Hindus to Christians, the RSS and the then Prime Minister were on the same page. The RSS had organised the Ekatmata Yatra with Moropat Pingle as the in-charge. It was the Ekatmata Yatra model which was used by the BJP when Advani took out his first rathyatra from Somnath to Ayodhya in 1990, according to Govindacharya. Indira Gandhi had also met the then RSS chief, Balasaheb Deoras, and it was on his advice that she agreed to re-establish her relations with Dr Karan Singh, who was also instrumental in the founding of the Virat Hindu Samaj, whose other associates included Ashok Singhal and the late Giriraj Kishore.

10. Sources said that the RSS chief was very impressed with the book, Eternal India, written by Indira Gandhi, with photos by Jean Louis Nou, whose advance copy was presented to him in late 1979. He conveyed his compliments to her as well.

11. Govindacharya said that the RSS functionaries would subsequently meet Rajiv Gandhi and also the late P.V. Narasimha Rao, who had close connections with some in the organisation as he had been educated in Nagpur. Rao's personal secretary Khandekar "was a swayamsevak", he confirmed.




If this article is truthful, it only proves RSS is always patriotic and pro-Hindu, while it may have small imperfections. None can even come close in its record of trying to work for the country and issues of concern for entire Hindu samaj under any regime. For our convenience, we CANNOT pick and choose events told by sources.

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He told Bali that he was absolutely moved by Rajiv's gesture of cutting an apple for him. He added that he should listen to the 8 o'clock morning news the following day. The news broadcast had RSS bodies rejecting the Chandra Shekhar-Mulayam proposal.




enti apple cut cheste nee flat ayyipoyada...



ee vishayam tilak ki cheppaku neeku aa article rasinavodiki kalipi pedatadu:-)
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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 01:27 pm:       

ekkada dakkunaru toda kottina veerulu
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 07:50 am:       

According to sources, two things that had led to a good understanding between Rajiv and the RSS were firstly their aversion for the Communists, and secondly, their opposition for conversions to Christianity. During their last meeting at 10, Janpath, Bhaurau had reiterated his earlier advice that Rajiv had made a mistake in supporting Chandra Shekhar for Prime Ministership. The meeting that took place in late evening saw Rajiv trying to persuade the RSS leader not to back the Chandra Shekhar-Mulayam Singh Yadav formula for solving the Ram Janmabhoomi dispute. His fear was that if the formula, which the RSS was inclined to support, went through, the regional parties would get strengthened at the cost of the national parties.

Sources said that Bhaurau rejected Rajiv's observations at the very outset and was convinced that the formula was in everyone's interest. During the marathon meeting that ensued, Rajiv picked up an apple and slicing it into four parts offered the fruit to the RSS leader. The meeting ended with no assurance from Bhaurau. Sources said that Rajiv instructed Anil Bali to escort the RSS leader to the RSS headquarters in Jhandewalan. There was total silence throughout the ten-minute journey at midnight. However, on reaching Jhandewalan, Bhaurau got out and walked a few steps, before turning back. He told Bali that he was absolutely moved by Rajiv's gesture of cutting an apple for him. He added that he should listen to the 8 o'clock morning news the following day. The news broadcast had RSS bodies rejecting the Chandra Shekhar-Mulayam proposal.}
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 07:42 am:       

In the late 1970s, it was becoming evident that Jagjivan Ram could replace Morarji Desai as the Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi was most concerned as she realised that Babuji being a Dalit would be difficult to dislodge. The RSS also had an identical view and so had some others in the Janata Party, including Raj Narain, who eventually backed Charan Singh for the top job and played a role in bringing out the sensational Suresh Ram scandal with the help of Kapil Mohan and two main supporters — K.C.Tyagi (now MP) and Om Pal Singh.}
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 07:33 am:       

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/rajiv-gandhi-had-secret- pact-with-rss-leaders

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