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Tilak:

so issue study chesaka




The act. Its protectionist. Lifting this will make these handloom people compete against cheap, mass/machine produced good and can put them easily out of market.

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Tilak thammudu choodaledu anukonta ee thread


chusa annai .. naaku peddaga ardam kaaledu vishayam .. so issue study chesaka .. nee laga wait chese valla kosam naa amulyamaina abhiprayam chepdaamani .. :D
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Anand_n:

Any idea what the real stance of this govt is on handloom industry, weavers and workers ?

Why is this movement to remove the protection of handloom patterns being encouraged now ? Does make in India only apply to the industrial lobbies who have clout ?


One question you need to ask is is the Act really protecting handlooms? Or is it dragging them down.

Second question is what does this do to the Potential of India being a manufacturing hub?

Handmade goods demand a premium in the world, Handlooms USP would be that, The govt will take steps to leverage that by making them accessible to the world market place.
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Tilak thammudu choodaledu anukonta ee thread
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Why not give power looming to chenetha kaarmikulu and give them training as part of skill up gradation. Let them produce hand loom and power loom, both. Hand loom act amendment to allow only these families to power loom.
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Supporting Hand-loom workers is critical but they should also come out of this dependence on govt and find a sustainable way.

I also agree with Filmbuff here as it shouldn't be deemed separate from other field. There should be competition and the end-user is who matters. Industries should strive on end-users choice and not the other way.
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Annai, indrasena reddy background emaina undhaa...super contacts unnai ga...


friends circle is big & no kids yet so ilanti extra-curicular activities ki first pilustharu and we can't turn them down. :-(
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silk ki kuda work avuthundi but AAA feel vundadu. threadcounts ekkuva cheyyaeru in powerloom so you can't really replicate that look.
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Annai, indrasena reddy background emaina undhaa...super contacts unnai ga...
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Abhysg:

Chandana lo 10000+ kuppal.. weavers ku 5000 ostundi per Saree..adi chandana/etc lu 10000 around ga ammutar... saree lu 5000 epudo daresay.


A significant amount of population still needs to spend half months salary if what you said is true for buying a saree.

Pochampally weavers tho pani chese NGO okkati telsu same dress material you can get for 1500 or 6000. The beauty is both get sold.
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Cotton lantivi power loom lo okay ..silk work avvadu kada..
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Thikka_sankara:

adenti, veetillo >10k sarees undava???


endhuku vundaavu but valladi volumes business model so handloom vi 10 vunte power looms vi 100s vuntaayi.
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Darth_vader:

South India shopping mall or chandana bros velle vallani saree kosam 10-15k pettamante eda Kelli pedatharu? So vallaki powerloom is the answer.
adenti, veetillo >10k sarees undava???




Chandana lo 10000+ kuppal.. weavers ku 5000 ostundi per Saree..adi chandana/etc lu 10000 around ga ammutar... saree lu 5000 epudo daresay..
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Fabric..embroidery sarees Kumar 10k min edtunnar.. deentlo ipudu computerized/machine work kooda ochindi..dresses/blouses/sarees ku 2000-10000 daka pedtunnar.. ade oka skilled weaver 20days koorchoni silk/zari lanti vati to oka art ni create cheste konadaniki mohamatam.... deeniki 10000 pettali ante padi rakala alochanalu.. enta advanced technology ochina hand made artwork ni touch seyyaled. Originality ni ala unchanivvandi..
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Darth_vader:


South India shopping mall or chandana bros velle vallani saree kosam 10-15k pettamante eda Kelli pedatharu? So vallaki powerloom is the answer.


adenti, veetillo >10k sarees undava???
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Boston_baba:

chala baga chepparandi.


ne bonda ra ne bonda ala anukuni vunte Pochampally ippati haam fut ayyedi. GI tag + powerlooms created demand for this particular variety & had again become the mainstay of around 40-60 villages.

South India shopping mall or chandana bros velle vallani saree kosam 10-15k pettamante eda Kelli pedatharu? So vallaki powerloom is the answer.
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Thikka_sankara:

I agree Handloom Loki machines osthe it will no more be handloom but how does it matter ..... Imitation cheeralu cheap gaa dorukuthunnai ani original brand cheerala giraaki kaani pricing kaani taggaledu kadaaa........ In fact original vaati prices perigaay and those who can't afford originals are going for imitation..... Same can be replicated here too, only missing thing is a brand value for handlooms.....

Chennai Bangalore places lo konni grounds exclusive for rajasthani, gujarathi exhibitions..... Assalu akkkada prices choosthe dimma tiruguthundi (for my range).... FIL intlo oka corner lo srikrishnudu bronze statue untundi.....monna eeee exhibition lo same piece choosi entha raa ante 35k annadu..... Handloom Loki bronze enduku ochindi anakandi concept same..... Oka brand value/gurantee lekundaa veelaki velu position kontunnaru.... Repoddunna machine made ochinaa, if handloom industry can create brand identifiers and create a niche market and tap them (market is there, they just have to streamline) that would be more profitable and sustainable for them.....




Yes, that's what my point it....
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Anand_n:

What powerloom industry wants to do is to capitalise on the brand handloom industry has built ...its like imitation designer handbags that flood the market - and when imitations come into the market the demand for higher priced original goes down further...

So telling the handloom industry to differentiate themselves and taking the differentiator away is hypocrisy..




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I agree Handloom Loki machines osthe it will no more be handloom but how does it matter ..... Imitation cheeralu cheap gaa dorukuthunnai ani original brand cheerala giraaki kaani pricing kaani taggaledu kadaaa........ In fact original vaati prices perigaay and those who can't afford originals are going for imitation..... Same can be replicated here too, only missing thing is a brand value for handlooms.....

Chennai Bangalore places lo konni grounds exclusive for rajasthani, gujarathi exhibitions..... Assalu akkkada prices choosthe dimma tiruguthundi (for my range).... FIL intlo oka corner lo srikrishnudu bronze statue untundi.....monna eeee exhibition lo same piece choosi entha raa ante 35k annadu..... Handloom Loki bronze enduku ochindi anakandi concept same..... Oka brand value/gurantee lekundaa veelaki velu position kontunnaru.... Repoddunna machine made ochinaa, if handloom industry can create brand identifiers and create a niche market and tap them (market is there, they just have to streamline) that would be more profitable and sustainable for them.....
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Anand_n:

What powerloom industry wants to do is to capitalise on the brand handloom industry has built ...its like imitation designer handbags that flood the market - and when imitations come into the market the demand for higher priced original goes down further...

So telling the handloom industry to differentiate themselves and taking the differentiator away is hypocrisy..




Irrespective of numerous pale imitations of a Louis Vuitton bag or a Rolex watch, the price of the originals never falls...the demand for them never comes down, in fact the Luxury industry is going through a gravity defying boom in sales, profits and market cap. I was surprised to see that the market cap of a Hermes is more than say a company like Yahoo.

Anyway, that apart, if you want to protect these industries, give them a GI tag so that only people in that region, registered with some local body etc can make or sell a Pochampally or Mangalagiri...but don't tell them that you have to make it only on a handloom or powerloom etc..it is easy for us to say that, but most of the next generation family members do not want to continue in this field...instead of killing the industry, if you can produce the same output with 2-3 people with 10 people, it will benefit the family in the long term.
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Filmbuff:

Why should the common man have to pay through his nose for some handmade products when cheaper versions of the same can be made available at a fraction of the cost..




Fail to understand the need for a cheaper version of handloom when there are so many cheap mass produced alternatives on the market already..there is no dearth of machine woven cottons and silks..

What powerloom industry wants to do is to capitalise on the brand handloom industry has built ...its like imitation designer handbags that flood the market - and when imitations come into the market the demand for higher priced original goes down further...

So telling the handloom industry to differentiate themselves and taking the differentiator away is hypocrisy..

Handloom industry needs to expand their horizons , this I agree , but that cannot be done if you take away their current market...

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skills/degrees unnollake jobs levu..the labour in the handloom industry is almost BPL already and no education and mostly women.
without proper planning powerlooms will create more unemployment.

OP's link elaborated more on this topic.
http://bit.ly/1v1kxSu
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What the weavers need is a lot of reskilling - try to made new age designs, upholstery fabrics, a Zara-like frequent design changes etc. Anthe kani, mee brathuku ki inthe, savandi ante saripodu.


Anand_n:




Btw - check out

https://www.jaypore.com/

They are a bit like Etsy, focussed only on ethnic wear, home decor etc. Excellent quality products, priced on the higher side but worth it. These are the kinds of products handloom weavers should try to make.
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Why should the common man have to pay through his nose for some handmade products when cheaper versions of the same can be made available at a fraction of the cost..does the common man care if his bedsheet was made on a powerloom or handloom, there might be a marginal difference in quality but will he be willing to pay 2-3 times more

Instead of reservations and banning, one should develop a market for each - handloom products can be sold as a premium, handmade, organic blah blah with a price significantly higher as we find in a Fabindia, Dastkar etc etc. Give them an outlet to distribute their products through the web.

Also let powerlooms into the same field so that the common man does not have to overpay.

And i wonder why the handloom industry needs to be treated differently - wasn't the same argument made on computers taking over clerical jobs or tractors replacing farm hands...ultimately what matters is economic surplus being created. Keeping millions of handloom workers on their machines is nothing but underemployment.
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Sukumarudu:

act prakaram , few type of items reserved for weavers only. powerlooms lo produce chesthe adi illegal.

weavers can't match price of powerloomers'.


powerlooms operate chesedi kuda weavers ey kada bhayya. Anyway its very easy to make out the difference between hand made & powerloom made. Rolls Royce vs Maruti type comparison avuthundi.

Pochampally would have been history if not for powerlooms so its not all that bad.

Aam junta ki out of reach prices vunte no amount of IP protection will help weavers. Handlooms at present can only be afforded by upper middle class junta.
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Anand_n:

Any idea what the real stance of this govt




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act prakaram , few type of items reserved for weavers only. powerlooms lo produce chesthe adi illegal.

weavers can't match price of powerloomers'.
http://bit.ly/1v1kxSu
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Abhysg:

aa daridranni techina ambani ganni tannali


vadu kakapothe inkokadu techevadu. At that time cheap clothing was the need and polyester served its purpose.

Ambani valla kanisam Hindu aakulu satisfied lepothe wadia gaadu motham corner chesevadu market.
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Don't have an informed opinion on this but power looms already there in the industry kada so what's stopping them from mass producing?? Also hand tho chese danilo machine lo chese daniki zameen asmaan farak vuntadi so weavers will always have their USP so IP laws protection kante GI registration cheyyatam best form of protection that can be given to weavers.
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Sukumarudu:

hindu link reveals that there's a huge demand for handloomed items and weavers are not able to produce anta.
thats news to me.
actually weaving is not so much profitable job at the grassroot level. only retailers may be making most of the money. too bad!
becuz of polyester weavers already lost too much..now this repeal will snatch roj ka roti too. :-(




actually ee polyster ni ban seyyali... only cotton/eco friendly type ettali..

aa daridranni techina ambani ganni tannali
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Abhysg:


hindu link reveals that there's a huge demand for handloomed items and weavers are not able to produce anta.
thats news to me.
actually weaving is not so much profitable job at the grassroot level. only retailers may be making most of the money. too bad!
becuz of polyester weavers already lost too much..now this repeal will snatch roj ka roti too. :-(
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Abhysg:

ee act ni teseyyali ani decide seste Modi mohana oostaru janalu.. very very bad step...




Let's hope that good sense prevails..

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akka... ee act undi ani ippatidaka telvadu.. I feel ashamed..

ee act ni teseyyali ani decide seste Modi mohana oostaru janalu.. very very bad step...


but idi eppati nundo undi 2012 nundi eee demand undi.. I don't think it's new.. any govt would dare to banish that Act.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnad u/call-to-scrap-antiquated-handloom-reservation-act/article3 801420.ece
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Sukumarudu:

'handloom patterns' ni IP kinda vesi each item produced meeda kontha money ChenethaSamsthalaki ichi poor weavers/job losers ki benefit chesthe support istha nenu.




Not feasible to support the millions dependent on the industry thru just IP royalties .. This will be the death knell for the handloom industry...

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may be mass production valla price taggi hadloomed clothes ni mainstream cheyadaniki try chesthunnaremo..

but ade vruthiga bathike valla paristhithi enti?

reliance fresh vachi kirana shopulu mutha padinatle idi kuda end avuddi.
gujjus are heavily into textile industry.. valla deggara tesukunna electioneering money ki ee act repeal tosthunnademo..

'handloom patterns' ni IP kinda vesi each item produced meeda kontha money ChenethaSamsthalaki ichi poor weavers/job losers ki benefit chesthe support istha nenu.
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Modi talked about partnering with flipkart to boost handlooms, making varanasi a hub etc.. and then quietly the govt is trying to get the Handloom Reservation Act repealed ???

https://aamjanata.com/what-is-going-on-with-the-handloom-res ervation-act/

Any idea what the real stance of this govt is on handloom industry, weavers and workers ?

Why is this movement to remove the protection of handloom patterns being encouraged now ? Does make in India only apply to the industrial lobbies who have clout ?

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