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m_s post lo agni is lesser deity ante aa reply ichanu..

ee aryan discussion emiti rao garu..nonsense..mana janalaki bothi ga pani pata lekunda potondi..




ante comparting with Gathas anattu...
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Last_avataar:

Agni is more popular as cannot be impure unlike other elements which can me made impure




m_s post lo agni is lesser deity ante aa reply ichanu..

ee aryan discussion emiti rao garu..nonsense..mana janalaki bothi ga pani pata lekunda potondi..
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Agni is more popular as cannot be impure unlike other elements which can me made impure

Agni is considered as messager to gods and devathas for sending yagna Havissu
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Mental_sachinodu:

vedas lo lesser diety




Agni is the most popular god of the Rigveda..Agni is central to all vedic rituals..
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to understand / agree / believe / follow Gita, you need to accept KARMA siddantham right? so that means you need to accept re-birth etc because your fate in this life has been decided by your karma from previous birth.. Gita doesn't explain any such basics




hindu sidhantham nammadam ante karma sidhantham nammadam ane ardham..andulo choice ledu..nuduti meeda tilakam/vibhoodhi daniki gurtu..

janthoonam manushya janma durlabham -- aadi shankara
ksheene punye martya lokam visamthi - chesina punyam ayipogane manushya janma etha valasinde (from deva janma)..

anduke motham karma and dani phalitham anta demudi meeda vesi pani cheyadam vuttamam ani bhagavadgeetha cheptundi..
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BTW..Chinmaya Mission starting free Bhagavadgeetha Study course from Feb 9th 2015..

it will be Cranbury neck road..

Timings 8 PM to 9:30 PM..for a week..

Topic Chapter 1...it is a FREE event with Baby sitting also provided
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BTW..Chinmaya Mission starting free Bhagavadgeetha Study course from Feb 9th 2015..

it will be Cranbury neck road..

Timings 8 PM to 9:30 PM..for a week..

Topic Chapter 1
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Hyder vuncl
keep in mind the context of the conversation. it was right before a war and arjuna was in a confused state. so, you have to understand arjuna's state of mind at the time of the conversation first
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non-issue...
Ranbir Kapoor is god of acting
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Rajusk:

Ghantasala audio is not in the right order of the chapters..


thanks for confirming.. ade anukunna after listening couple of times.. it is all over the place without a proper flow ani.. will read the book
Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein
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Mrhyderabad:

btw, to understand / agree / believe / follow Gita, you need to accept KARMA siddantham right?




anni preconditions ekkada pettadu rao garu..

book ni book la sadavandi..taruvaatha quechens veyyandi ..experts answer septharu..

(note: nen expert kaadu )
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Mrhyderabad:

finished listening to Ghantasaala audio couple of times in the last 2 days. It sounded like a snapshot or highlights version of Gita rather than complete text. is that right?




Ghantasala audio is not in the right order of the chapters..akkada akkada random gaa konni samples teesukoni he made that ..so don't consider that as benchmark..or for that matter even highlights..
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paging coolmac.. finished listening to Ghantasaala audio couple of times in the last 2 days. It sounded like a snapshot or highlights version of Gita rather than complete text. is that right?

now planning to read couple of books as suggested by some in yday thread

btw, to understand / agree / believe / follow Gita, you need to accept KARMA siddantham right? so that means you need to accept re-birth etc because your fate in this life has been decided by your karma from previous birth.. Gita doesn't explain any such basics

may be i should read something else before reading Gita
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Cocanada:

vuncl.. asalu eppudu deniki commit avvavu kada.. nee anthe neutramul ni chudaledu




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not committing to anything itself is a commitment ani RGV seppaad
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Looks like new year had brought increased interest in Geeta and religion in the DB :-)

Cocanada:



Why ante probably cos its concise, easy to teach and preach , chrnologically the last word from Hindu God and best of all, ghar wapsi lo bible teesukoni chetilo Geeta pettochu

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vuncl.. asalu eppudu deniki commit avvavu kada.. nee anthe neutramul ni chudaledu
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Sonyvaio:

bama annai, do you also believe in aryan and dravidian concept




ante ... aaa concept ni namme vaalani choosthe muchata vesthadhi... andhuke supporting foints septhaa untaan :D
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Mental_sachinodu:

agni is an asura dravidian rakshasa ..avesthans lo goppa, vedas lo lesser diety.. unfortunately aryans used to bow to him


bama annai, do you also believe in aryan and dravidian concept
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agni




agni is an asura dravidian rakshasa ..avesthans lo goppa, vedas lo lesser diety.. unfortunately aryans used to bow to him
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Gringo:

aaradhyas also worship lord shiva...vallu aryans etla avutharu ? Ee angle kooda think cheyyi


siva ni worship ni cheste, vaidikis kaadu ani evaru cheppindi

Vaidikis have 5 important gods - Ganesha, Gayatri, Siva, Vishnu, Lakshmi

to start any activity, agni will be invoked
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Gringo:

aaradhyas also worship lord shiva...vallu aryans etla avutharu ? Ee angle kooda think cheyyi




vunkl.. shiva is aryan, he was called rudra... just black ash raasukone sariki got closer to dravidians. between dravidians worship nandi more...
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Sonyvaio:

kinda list chesina, tamil iyers, aaradhyas follow vaidik culture, they start anything by feeding to Agni, inka vaalu dravidians etta avtaru, minimum sense lekunda raaseyadam, daani teesukuni gola okati chass


aaradhyas also worship lord shiva...vallu aryans etla avutharu ? Ee angle kooda think cheyyi
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3. Indo-Aryan Vaidik culture (Indra, Agni, Vayu, Mitra and so on)


kinda list chesina, tamil iyers, aaradhyas follow vaidik culture, they start anything by feeding to Agni, inka vaalu dravidians etta avtaru, minimum sense lekunda raaseyadam, daani teesukuni gola okati chass

one more stupid article about aryan and dravidian,
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most recent post lo oka boothu dorlindi inka manincheyy.....




antha enduku bro.. edo mazak anthey.. cool beans
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Hinduism has three distinct cultural influences.
1. Tribal nature worship
2. Dravidian* Shiva-Shakti (Symbols male-female reproductive organs)
3. Indo-Aryan Vaidik culture (Indra, Agni, Vayu, Mitra and so on)

Based on these and Haplogroup H, L and R1A studies I would propose there were three major migrations to Indians.
1. Africa-> Middle East -> India (Tribals)
2. Africa-> Middle East -> Central Asia -> India (Dravidians)
3. Africa-> Middle East -> Central Asia -> Kurgan -> India (Indo-Aryans)

Indo-Aryan Gods:
Indra and other gods of Indo-Aryans have too much similarities with other European pagan gods. Indra worshipping Indo-Aryans must have developed their religion before entering India.

The initial Vaidik works ridicule the natives of India as penis worshippers. So worship of Shiva and Shakti must be prevalent at that time(Not necessarily in those names). Now the question is
how Shiva and Shakti attained the highest status in Vaidik religion.

Dravidian Brahmins:
I think inclusion of Indian local deities into broader Vaidik religion may not be the work of Indo-Aryans. The priestly class of Dravidians creating a caste system along with priestly class
of Indo-Aryans might have included their deities to the large Indo-Aryan pantheon. Along the process they also created Brahma and Vishnu to complete a meaningful trinity with Shiva(Creator, preserver and destroyer).

The following would be the most likely candidates for Dravidian priestly class who became Brahmins later. Historically, these groups were identified with Shiva and Devi(Shakti) worship.

1. Saraswat Brahmins
2. Kashmiri Pundits (possibly a branch of Saraswat Brahmins)
3. Aradhyas (Telugu Brahmins)
4. Iyers (Tamil Brahmins)
5. Shivalli Brahmins(Tulu Brahmins)
6. Namboothiris(Malayalee Brahmins, a branch of Tulu Brahmins)

Though Havyaka Brahmins(a Kannada Brahmin caste) follow Shankara, I don't consider them
as Dravidian Brahmins since they differ a lot in many respects. But, Shivalli Brahmins eventhough mostly Maadhvas(Vaishnavites) are indeed Dravidian Brahmins since Shankara founder of Advaitism, was a Shaivite Namboothiri(but sought to merge Shaivism with other Vaidik worships), who inturn were actually a branch of Tulu Brahmins.

Iyers' Shaivism has nothing to do with Shankara. Most probably Advaitism brought other Indo-Aryan gods to a strong Shaiva region of Tamilnadu creating a Shaivite and Vaishnavite
divisions among Iyers.

However, now Hindus believe in all the gods. In all probability this was achieved by Dravidian priestly class and not by Indo-Aryans. Also, both these priestly classes together responsible for the creation and propagation of caste system.

*People inhabiting India before the arrival of Indo-Aryans. No relation with linguistic identities.
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Last_avataar:

This books is not related to any Religion. Since Hinduism evlved as offshoot of Sanathana Dharma, and it has close resemblences made us to adopt this books for its Religion


It is Hinduism that adopted the book not vice versa.


nice.

but my point is we should not project ONE BOOK as THE BOOK. agree?
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please continue when you come back. dont ignore
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Hinduism religion ani evaru annaru, brits/muslims named our culture as religion..

Hinduism is beyond defination of religion
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Gringo:

Hinduism was introduced to India by Aryans when tamil dravidian tribes were still worshipping pagan gods..


legesss

hindu = indian sub continent

aryans came to India and invented hinduism. those who worship nature as mother (tribals) are infact worshipping sakthi. they are not different from hindus
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most recent post lo oka boothu dorlindi inka manincheyy.....

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juice kurrol la chadhastham warald antha ruddhuthunnaar .. migatha janaal.. leka fothe every place in the warald had their own hinduism
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Gringo:

Hinduism was introduced to India by Aryans when tamil dravidian tribes were still worshipping pagan gods




Still dreaming of Disproven Aryna Thoery....
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Hinduism was introduced to India by Aryans when tamil dravidian tribes were still worshipping pagan gods..
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very illogical argument....kaaadu Avunu pakkNa pettu..... Look at both sides of the argument.....

Argument 1) only books falling out of skies can be accepted as basis for religions all over: well, bible did not fall out of sky. It is what is chronicled by the followers of Christ.... If you accept claims of Muslims that Quran fell out of sky on its face value, then you need to accept that Vedas too because well before Quran, Vedas claimed their source to be apourusha meaning not of human origin.....

2)argument 2 saying we cannot believe claim by a book that it fell out of sky..... Then, if it is ok FIR bible and Quran to be the books even when they dint fell out of sky then what is your problem in accepting bras which might not have fallen off sky......

Now, as far as Hinduism is concerned, Hinduism as in its current form is amalgamation of 5 different religions which were based out on Vedas.... Just like iron man of India brought together all princely states into Indian umbrella, adi sankara, brought all these into one umbrella....the basis being that those religions follow Vedas.....
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First off all Bhagavadgeetha is a Book on Atama Gyana , Karma Gyana and Bhakti Gyana, Dharma Gyana

It is part of Ancient Indian culture called "Sanathana Dharma"

This books is not related to any Religion. Since Hinduism evlved as offshoot of Sanathana Dharma, and it has close resemblences made us to adopt this books for its Religion


It is Hinduism that adopted the book not vice versa.
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Royyala_nayudu:

Hinduism is a way of life which is open to change and ready to accept things which make sense. Our religion follows Agile methodology




we have inbuilt secularism with so many contradictory literature and internal debate

we dont need the new age sickularism. what we need is true secularism with Uniform Civil Code
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i am asking. why so much emphasis on Bhagavadgita these days? Do you want people to say BHagavadgita is THE BOOK ?

India is an old civilization, and there are many scriptures written in different periods

As a nation, we have to reject the notion that we have THE BOOK


Nope Hinduism is not based on a Book, it is people who want to typecast or group all religions into a single framework who have made it like that.

We have many Books likes Vedas, Upanishads, BagwadGita, etc.

Hinduism is a way of life which is open to change and ready to accept things which make sense. Our religion follows Agile methodology :D
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Cocanada:

Krishna to Arjuna

- documented by Vyasa maharishi



so where is the sky fall?

btw janalu yuddam chstunte o moola kookopetti cheppinadi antaa Arjunudu ki gurtu unda? adi antaa vyasudiki cheppada? ...

btw ... bible kuda anthe kadaa ... life time lo Jesus cheppinavanni book achesaru ... daniki vallaki kavalasinattu marpulu cherpulu cheskuni ippudu oka guide la vadukutnunnaru ... teda emundi?
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Thikka_sankara:

sanathana dharma




sudden ga samantha dharma ani sadivi feel ayya.. ippudu got the context
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so geeta sky nunchi padinda?


Krishna to Arjuna

- documented by Vyasa maharishi

but I think there are some precedents. what i am trying to understand is why it was made or why people think it is THE BOOK
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so geeta sky nunchi padinda?
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Blasphemyyyy


daatar gaaru. mee angle veru, naa angle veru.
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Vedas are clearly written by humans.

i dont think there is any book that fell out of sky



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em maatladuthunnavo ardham avuthondaa


kaadantaava?
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Cocanada:

Vedas are clearly written by humans.

i dont think there is any book that fell out of sky


em maatladuthunnavo ardham avuthondaa.....
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Thikka_sankara:

'chatur vedas' are 'the Book(s)'


Vedas are clearly written by humans.

i dont think there is any book that fell out of sky
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kaneesam book kooda leni religion ani feel avuthunattu unaaru janam :D
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allaki book undhi so manaki oka book set seddari ani sketch esar


set cheyyadamenti saami... Vedas are what our religion is based on... we do have (a) book(s)..... Gita antava.... it is almost as important as vedas.... okallu set chesedenti.... Gita ki eee roju hinduvulu importance attribute cheyyatledu.... all the major Sampradayas of India accept it as one of the Most important books for Hinduism.... all leaders of all sampradayas have their own interpretation of Gita.... its not for some silly reason that it is the most interpreted book of Hinduism......
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Cocanada:

hinduism antu em ledu saami. just indian sub continent. anthe

let people explore and choose what they want. let them switch back and forth

hindus have to protect that open framework

middle eastern religions which do not conform to this open framework should not be encouraged




emo ee vishyam mana leaders ki ardham avvatledhu...they are imitating abrahamic religions and loosing sight of what we really are...allaki book undhi so manaki oka book set seddari ani sketch esar...next fatwa's , oka topi ettukunna POPE all set
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Cocanada:


As a nation, we have to reject the notion that we have THE BOOK



sanathana dharma 'is the religion' and 'chatur vedas' are 'the Book(s)'....
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Ipc302:

court lo gita meedha pramaanam seyyandi ani cinema dialogues tappinchi ekkada Gita is the sole authority on hinduism ani seppaledhu


hinduism antu em ledu saami. just indian sub continent. anthe

let people explore and choose what they want. let them switch back and forth

hindus have to protect that open framework

middle eastern religions which do not conform to this open framework should not be encouraged
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yep manalni kooda jews, kirstains, mooslems laaga pigeon-hole sesthunnar...court lo gita meedha pramaanam seyyandi ani cinema dialogues tappinchi ekkada Gita is the sole authority on hinduism ani seppaledhu...thanks to Ghantasala we are arleast listening to Gita everyday
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i am asking. why so much emphasis on Bhagavadgita these days? Do you want people to say BHagavadgita is THE BOOK ?

India is an old civilization, and there are many scriptures written in different periods

As a nation, we have to reject the notion that we have THE BOOK

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