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Yeah. Doubt emundi.

Leader ga kooda Classy and ruthless at the same time. Ea interview lo entha diplomatic ga cheppindi asala. Usually indian PMO edit chesi written statements istaru ilanti situation lo. Intha strong PM ippati varaku leru India ki
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http://youtu.be/_MATAqeiL-4




young lo unnapudu keka puttinchedi emo.. color footos levu gaani..
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Before India entered 71 war BBC reporter adigithe entha diplomatic ga cheppindo http://youtu.be/_MATAqeiL-4
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Ustad:

due to Pak nuclear arsenal.




idi lekunte india epudoo nalipesedi pak ni... amerika kooda manaku support ichedi.. next 20years lo edo okati jaruguddi
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Simhapuri_kurrodu:

US ni nammukuni vunte banana republic ayyedi. weapons govt ke kaadu, naxals ki andariki thx giving sale lo ammetodu



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Vomlica evvar dostu kaadu. Andarini avasaranni batti rubber la vaduku dobbe selpish desam.
Strength is the product of struggle, you must do what others don't to achieve what others won't - Henry Rollins
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Abhysg:

Next ballochistan undi list lo..epudo oka roju adi kooda avvuddi.


Baloch movement lo manam open support cheyyalem like Bangla esp. due to Pak nuclear arsenal.

+ Paki Army baaga ruthless ga handle chestundi...baloch liberation almost impossible.
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adhe manam US ally ayyi vunte....inka war ki ellamani egadose vallu.....valla weapons anni ammudu pothayi..kotha contracts vastahyi ani!!




US ni nammukuni vunte banana republic ayyedi. weapons govt ke kaadu, naxals ki andariki thx giving sale lo ammetodu
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Mana vadda kondaru waste.galla valla India back ayindi..lekunte 65 lone Kashmir ochedi.. China war valla manam weak ani Pak attack chesindi..manam retaliate chesinapudu valla land chalane teeskonnam.. Lahore varaku ellindi army.. Amerika bhayapadi russia/china nu dimpindi.. Shastry Garu adigar anta.. Enta varaku fight seyuochu ani ante.. Kondaru waste gallu oddu..mana vadda weapons/arsenal etc bags damaged..ekkuvaseyyalem annar..actually only 15% matrame vadaru appudu.. Wrong info valla shastry garu war ni apesad.. Tashkent lo treaty kosam ellad..akkade Edo jarigindi..

Next 71lo. Bangla lo 93000army ni prisoners ni cheti lo unnapudu west Pak ni aatadinchochu.. But ikkada kooda intl pressure valla war agindi..bangla time lo manaku chala support unde..kaani advantage GA teeskokoodadu ani back ayyar..

Bangla ni create seyyadam valla Pak bags debbayindi.. Next ballochistan undi list lo..epudo oka roju adi kooda avvuddi.
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Xxx:

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aircrafter carrier ani chaduvuko..
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water loki vadi biggest aircrafter tisuku ragane russia kuda tana aircrafter water loki dimpindi mana kosa





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vomrca is nakka jeethula country. Dani namukoni unte india epudo half ayedi.. Rusiia is the genuie supporter of india.
Russia mana venka undi ana oka reason tho ne america,china 2 to 3 times alochinchayii yuddam start cheatanikii.vom,erica vadu
water loki vadi biggest aircrafter tisuku ragane russia kuda tana aircrafter water loki dimpindi mana kosam,,




yes..russia is true friend of ours...but US pressure ki bend avvakunda vundalsindi!
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israel ni follow kavali manollu!




not possible with the vote bank politics
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Help chesina Russia ni thidathavu enti bhayya? ..... ee issue kante 15 years mundhu nunde USA & Pakistan alliance form ayindhi....We have no option but Russia. If they did not support us, China would have joined the war as an ally to Pak.




help emiti? first nunchi manollu russia side...and russia ki full support...we had lot of imports/exports from/to russia. russia vallu US mundu bending ayyi manalani bend chesaru...vallu manaki strategic ga support cheyyali kaani, US ki bending ayyi mana bend thiyyatam kaadu..china war lo join avvatam antha easy kaadu!!

even tashquent agreement ll kooda bonda pettaru!

The Tashkent conference, under United Nations, American and Soviet pressure, compelled India to give away the conquered region in Pakistan occupied national boundary of India and the 1949 ceasefire line in Kashmir.
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ee whole issue lo lathkor naa ko lu russia vallu & kontha mandi covert lk gallu.....russia valle india backfoot eyyalsi vachindi....adhe manam US ally ayyi vunte....inka war ki ellamani egadose vallu.....valla weapons anni ammudu pothayi..kotha contracts vastahyi ani!!


indira lanti spine vunna leaders india ki aruduga dorukutharu..be it war or handling golden temple issue and many others....


goose bumps vache stories avi!! israel ni follow kavali manollu!





vomrca is nakka jeethula country. Dani namukoni unte india epudo half ayedi.. Rusiia is the genuie supporter of india.
Russia mana venka undi ana oka reason tho ne america,china 2 to 3 times alochinchayii yuddam start cheatanikii.vom,erica vadu
water loki vadi biggest aircrafter tisuku ragane russia kuda tana aircrafter water loki dimpindi mana kosam,,
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israel ni follow kavali manollu!



with aagadu mahesh babu became mahesh bhatt!!! ki ki ki 292 palakol tagore ki ki ki
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first nuclear tests chesindi kooda indira hayam lone..
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Help chesina Russia ni thidathavu enti bhayya? ..... ee issue kante 15 years mundhu nunde USA & Pakistan alliance form ayindhi....We have no option but Russia. If they did not support us, China would have joined the war as an ally to Pak.
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ee whole issue lo lathkor naa ko lu russia vallu & kontha mandi covert lk gallu.....russia valle india backfoot eyyalsi vachindi....adhe manam US ally ayyi vunte....inka war ki ellamani egadose vallu.....valla weapons anni ammudu pothayi..kotha contracts vastahyi ani!!


indira lanti spine vunna leaders india ki aruduga dorukutharu..be it war or handling golden temple issue and many others....


goose bumps vache stories avi!! israel ni follow kavali manollu!
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Desam Indira ki ee vishayam lo eppudu runapadi vuntadhi :D
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indira madam...dont know abt emergency and alll but paki ni strategic devide seyatam ante anni ethi ettali thallii...migatha anni tappulu maaf...iron lady kaadu asal no other women can emulate her...superb anthe
with aagadu mahesh babu became mahesh bhatt!!! ki ki ki 292 palakol tagore ki ki ki
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Stig:

No wonder why US was so rattled. anduke ekanga valla biggest aircraft carrier.

Hats off to Indira ee vishayam lo ... kissinger nixon lanti chutiya gallaki susu poyinchindi !!


As far as handling 1971 war is concerned IG is legendry. If it was not for her, imagine India's plight with pakistan currently us off from 2 directions.
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India Could Have Split Pakistan in 1971





Aayane brathiki unte neththina thella guddda yenduku annattu undi.
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Sonia anukunta traitor ..... She was sent as a honey trap by CIA
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congress ollanthati edaval evaru undaru.... desaanni thaakattu pettadaniki ready untaaru..... eeellaki commu gallu support thuuu
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aa vanka tho kashimre lo negotiation chess vundalsindi.




kashmir meda ippudu una agreements ani maximum apudu chesukunavee..
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. kissinger nixon lanti chutiya gallaki susu poyinchindi !!




he called indira ...as BITxx

bullets mast din chi nattundi .....Aa time lo pak tho ante konchem easy ayyid vended ..BG lo surrender ayyaru ..aa vanka tho kashimre lo negotiation chess vundalsindi.
Sensation(About Bala):He can win in atleast half of the segments in Rayalaseema. Emi matladutunnavo neeku telusa. He can contest any where in coastal and rayalaseema districts. I personally feel he should contest from Srikakulam dt.

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No wonder why US was so rattled. anduke ekanga valla biggest aircraft carrier pampinchindi.

Hats off to Indira ee vishayam lo ... kissinger nixon lanti chutiya gallaki susu poyinchindi !!
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No wonder why US was so rattled. anduke ekanga valla biggest aircraft carrier.

Hats off to Indira ee vishayam lo ... kissinger nixon lanti chutiya gallaki susu poyinchindi !!
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believable....
asalu east pakistan loki enter ayyi , separate cheyadame super ..
ade vupu lo POK ni konchemanna lakkoni vutne sai poyedi ...but you know it is very difficult .
Upper hand ravadam antha easy kadu kashmir area lo ..It takes months.
Sensation(About Bala):He can win in atleast half of the segments in Rayalaseema. Emi matladutunnavo neeku telusa. He can contest any where in coastal and rayalaseema districts. I personally feel he should contest from Srikakulam dt.

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chiddu, da harvard graduate


looks like that guy was different so tooch
We're so quick to point out our own flaws in others.
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Indulo evadai untadaa traitor ??


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Indira_Gandhi_ministry

Indulo evadai untadaa traitor ??
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Love her or Hate her but you cannot ignore bada$sness of Indira Gandhi

Damn !!
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http://swarajyamag.com/politics/india-could-have-split-west- pakistan-in-1971/

Declassified US records show that India’s objectives during the 1971 Indo-Pak war were greatly curtailed following an instance of high treason committed by a member of Indira Gandhi’s government.

Exactly 45 years ago this day, Pakistan surrendered to the Indian Army and the Mukti Bahini in what was then East Pakistan. But did you know that India’s war objectives in 1971 were greatly curtailed following an instance of high treason committed by a member of Indira Gandhi’s government?

This person, whose identity is most likely known to our government, betrayed India’s “war objectives” to the Central Intelligence Agency in December 1971, prompting the US to arm-twist India into ending the war much sooner than it would have if there was no such betrayal.

In other words, the Vijay Diwas marking the victory in East Pakistan was never meant to fall on 16 December.

In the run-up to the 1971 India-Pakistan war, The New York Times first hinted at the presence of a CIA agent in the Indian government. By December that year, The Washington Post had reported that US President Richard Nixon’s south Asia policy was being guided by “reports from a source close to Mrs Gandhi”.

Records declassified a few years ago show that a dramatic turnaround came on 6 December when a CIA operative leaked out India’s “war objectives” to the agency. Then Prime Minister Gandhi had actually informed her top ministers in a meeting that, apart from liberating Bangladesh, India intended to take over a strategically important part of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) and go for total annihilation of Pakistan’s armed forces so that Pakistan “never attempts to challenge India in the future”.

When he came to know of the CIA report, a furious Nixon blurted out that “this woman (Indira Gandhi) suckered us”, for he was under the impression that in their last interaction at Washington, Mrs Gandhi had promised him that India wouldn’t attack East Pakistan―not to speak of targeting West Pakistan and PoK.

The CIA went on to assess that fulfillment of India’s “war objectives” might lead to “the emergence of centrifugal forces which could shatter West Pakistan into as many as three or four separate countries”.

As a direct result of the operative’s information, the Nixon administration went on an overdrive to save West Pakistan from a massive Indian assault.

Records very clearly demonstrate that Nixon then threatened the USSR with a “major confrontation”, should the Soviets fail to stop the Indians from penetrating West Pakistan. Kissinger secretly met China’s Permanent Representative at the UN to apprise him of the CIA operative’s report and rub it in that India’s plan for Pakistan with Soviet backing could turn out to be a “dress rehearsal” of what they might do to China.

All this led to the USSR’s first Deputy Foreign Minister Vasily Kuznetsov visiting New Delhi and telling India “to confine their objectives to East Pakistan” and “not to try and take any part of West Pakistan, including Azad Kashmir”, as “Moscow was concerned about the possibility of a great power confrontation over the subcontinent”. Kuznetsov also extracted a guarantee from Prime Minister Gandhi that India would not attack West Pakistan. This decision was promptly conveyed to Nixon.

On 16 December 1971 when Nixon was told that India had declared a ceasefire, he exulted: “We have made it…it’s the Russians working for us.” Secretary of State Henry Kissinger congratulated him for saving West Pakistan―India’s primary target, as per the operative’s report to the CIA.

In subsequent years, former Prime Minister Morarji Desai, and two deputy PMs―Jagjivan Ram and Y.B. Chavan ― were alleged to be the CIA operative active during the 1971 war.

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However, all such charges lacked substantiation; there was no confirmation whether or not such an operative ever existed. As such, no constructive discussion on the issue ever took off. This changed after the release of unassailable US records making it clear that the CIA actually had a “reliable” source operating from inside the Indian cabinet in 1971.

1971 Document CIA

In declassified records, the name of the operative has been censored because the CIA Director has “statutory obligations to protect from disclosure (the agency’s) intelligence sources”. Naming the operative even after so many years will obviously adversely impact the Indo-US relations, and hit the agency’s prospects of recruiting new informants.

The question now arises: Does India know who that traitor was that leaked out 1971 war plan? Former joint director of the Intelligence Bureau Late Maloy Krishna Dhar, no relation of this writer, told me yes.

However, my efforts to get that name officially did not succeed. In 2010, I asked the Prime Minister’s Office whether or not the office had received inputs from the Research and Analysis Wing about the identity of the minister who was said to have leaked information to the CIA during the 1971 war.

I was informed that the inputs from R&AW were exempt from disclosure under the Right to Information Act. To me, it would mean that somewhere in the R&AW archives are lying details of the Indian version of Tinker Tailor Solider Spy. And ours was for real.

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