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Alan Greenspan lanti karudu kattina capitalist/economist (de-regulation kosam ee end ki ayina velle) longest serving fed chairman says he was wrong on de-regulation and capitalist economy


What Alan Greenspan did was un-capitalistic. He removed the brake for the car and marvelled at how speed the car can go. Then how would you stop without crashing? Thats what happened in 2008, now it is going to be even more worse in the future, they are pumping money like crazy.
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emoyi naada, aa yoga docu choosinavaa? chaathi pongindha?
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she is basically anti communist

andukani pustakalu ala rasindi
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Mental_sachinodu:

would have eventually corrected itself, and government meddling just made the situation worse




Alan Greenspan lanti karudu kattina capitalist/economist (de-regulation kosam ee end ki ayina velle) longest serving fed chairman says he was wrong on de-regulation and capitalist economy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bX_vhojH8c
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Novels rendu baavuntayi.



avo kooda free market/will propaganda ney..her personal philosopphy is not different from what she wrote.
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Novels rendu baavuntayi.. Aa tarvatha objectivism ani begin chesi saava dobbindi.. She had cult following... She had mood swing and depression issues as well..
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add bushu..reactionary nutcase annadu...I agree with him...appalto communist propaganda bhebhastsam ga undedi..daniki reactionary ga eme free market..capitalism ani pattukundi..eme funded by capitalists ani kooda naku doubtu..

videos like these expose how shallow her so called philosophy is..
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Zulu:

deeni bonda..




Jalsa:

mana Der tamud kukka dobbul ettadu appatlo ee sadharu ayn rand ni...



add zulesh
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deeni bonda..
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mana Der tamud kukka dobbul ettadu appatlo ee sadharu ayn rand ni...

btw, read only two books written by her - The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.
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Bushu:

some followers like Ron Paul were not ok with the bail outs. Ayn Rand was just a reactionary nut case from russia. none of the ideas she pushed for, was new in america or the western capitalist countries. she just took an extremist stance and these govts were smart enough to balance free market capitalism with socialism.




Yes..her original philosophy was good.. After that she went nuts.. Reading her fountainhead and atlas.. Had a profound effect on me 20 years back
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Diviseema:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU


She said killing innocent children and women is wrong, she would have loathed Israel's action in this war for sure.
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Ayn Rand followers Republicans were totally ok with bailing out financial banks




some followers like Ron Paul were not ok with the bail outs. Ayn Rand was just a reactionary nut case from russia. none of the ideas she pushed for, was new in america or the western capitalist countries. she just took an extremist stance and these govts were smart enough to balance free market capitalism with socialism.
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Getafix:

how would govt's no involvement made it better.

Bailouts kosam execs kuda line kattaru..there was no confidence at all that market would have corrected itself.

Ayn Rand followers Republicans were totally ok with bailing out financial banks but not ok with automobile bailout.Comedy ga undele aa rojulu.




adhi naa argument kadhu vunkl, usually rhetoric by free market supporters. :-)
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Mental_sachinodu:

and government meddling just made the situation worse




how would govt's no involvement made it better.

Bailouts kosam execs kuda line kattaru..there was no confidence at all that market would have corrected itself.

Ayn Rand followers Republicans were totally ok with bailing out financial banks but not ok with automobile bailout.Comedy ga undele aa rojulu.
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Any Rand from Isreal or Arab ani chadivaa!!! Chass..
Buduguu, Coolmec and Rajesh Sowjanyam tho memu kooda :D clipart use cheyatam start chesam... Yes Its official....
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Getafix:

2009-2010 meltdown chalu ayrn rand gari free market/wheel movers theory ni ataka ekinchataniki..it took a semi socialistic govt to bring order to the chaos.




ofcourse, the argument would be that chaos would have eventually corrected itself, and government meddling just made the situation worse :-)
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2009-2010 meltdown chalu ayrn rand gari free market/wheel movers theory ni ataka ekinchataniki..it took a semi socialistic govt to bring order to the chaos.
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Whyme:

A free market/economy/ethos would have allowed things like stem cell research, cloning proceed more and might have benifotted people suffering from terminal illnesses or people with know hereditary diseases..




govt is nothing but ppl, entha kaadhu anna idhi nijam. so ppl who cry foul on government are usuall the minority, again right and wrong eventually majority ye decide chesthadhi.
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A free market/economy/ethos would have allowed things like stem cell research, cloning proceed more and might have benifotted people suffering from terminal illnesses or people with know hereditary diseases..

Again the same freedom could cause other ethical problems
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M_S

I agree with your view that things go in a cycle (socialistic to capitalistic ..)

You see these cycles in corp world also they keep going from centralized to decentralized orgs
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Whyme:

But again why should I pay for the welfare of a bum who abuses substance and does not earn a dime???



Mental_sachinodu:

really depends on how the society was formed. for instance, in countries, especially which are old, the natural resources are shared. so every citizen born in that country/society inherits abit of the "wealth", and everyone else is renting that that wealth when i alive, and you are paying the rent through taxes. now the governments use these taxes for the "betterment" of society. now what this betterment is debatable.


yeah.. if we go by this line of thought we can't resist appreciating the varna system of Indian culture which basically divides the work btwn communities.. and creates an interdepency environment..

but again.. thats not free market but an idea to achieve on the objective of free market
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But again why should I pay for the welfare of a bum who abuses substance and does not earn a dime???




really depends on how the society was formed. for instance, in countries, especially which are old, the natural resources are shared. so every citizen born in that country/society inherits abit of the "wealth", and everyone else is renting that that wealth when i alive, and you are paying the rent through taxes. now the governments use these taxes for the "betterment" of society. now what this betterment is debatable.

in countries that are formed recently, the resources have been brought up(by various means), and so the resources are not inherited equally, hence there can be a different opinion, as to what the "share" on the resources means. this is the reason, some folks did not have rights to vote in the government because they government did not have to protect anything others have. like women did not have the property, so they did not get to vote, slaves did not have property, and they did not have the right to vote, and folks who did not have vote, did not have a say on what the government can do. but after a few generations thes rules will appear archaic as the non-voting community would have made some contributions to the communities, and they seem to have some sort of say in what the government can do .

i feel its natural cycle for societies to turn socialist(im not saying communist) over long run, others might disagree.
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after reading so many of her works, my assumption is she is missing the most imp. factor TIME.

A doctor can fix his rate in free market . agreed. but if he demands on situations its immoral . it can lead to serious disturbances in free market .


problem is a doctor if not a maniac can foresee it..tanu ippudu edo cheste repu tanaki janam earth edataru ani telusu.. kabatti by default cheyyadu.. ani aame philosophy emo
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basic socialist and free enterprise differences meedha argument.. you can argue day and night, and come with pros and cons. there is no clear cut answer, and really is an ideological difference. the world more than likely started with a free enterprise and consciously or unconsciously turns socialistic in nature.

it really depends on the people, its the people who decide what their government needs to do. there is no right and wrong here. if the majority of people want their government to have that medicine be available to the rest of the 5000, there is not much anyone can do.

Im sure these same kind of notions would have propped up, while the governments were trying to abolish slavery. There would be opponents who would be saying, if a person is willingly ready to sell himself, who is the government to stop? it boils down to as a society where we want to be.

In the above scenario, the medicine man who has the cure has the right to sell his medicine at the price he wants to. the government can pay the price and the rest of the folks pay for it, and that is how today's world works. its a mixed medium right now.
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By controlling free thinking, enterprise you are stifling innovation, improvement and competition

Strictly as a philosophy it is utopian.. Practically needs adjustment/compromise..
But again why should I pay for the welfare of a bum who abuses substance and does not earn a dime???
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no she says govt. cannot fix rates or restrict anything. it must be absolute free market. she says an oil company can fix its price at any level. yes i agree with her in this. if someone prices abnormal , that company cannot sustain and some other will make oil and sell or an alternative fuel or tools will come up.

BUT, my question is if the oil company is reasonable most of the time and most of the people and not all the time and people?
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Diviseema:

1. Assume that one man(A) invented a vaccine for a deadly disease (say AIDS ).

2. There are 20000 victims of AIDS in this world.

3. A sold the medicine to 15000 of the victims and rejected to sell to other because they cannot afford the price A quoted.

4. should the govt. allow the other 5000 to die .

or if no govt. what should happen


Govt has many hospitals under its control in India. Do you know how many people die there because of lack of medicine?

They would have been better prepared if they knew that these govt hospitals are of no use.
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Her total lean towards objectivism, capitalism is not very realistic
She went pole opposite to what she has seen in ussr during her childhood
The belief is free-enterprise will eventually elevate the standards of living than a controlled environment..
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after reading so many of her works, my assumption is she is missing the most imp. factor TIME.

A doctor can fix his rate in free market . agreed. but if he demands on situations its immoral . it can lead to serious disturbances in free market .

Her idea of free market is a responsible people driven , self disciplined , rational, reasonable ..

she assumes all the people on earth must be idle. is that possible. if so that itself will be a idle govt. (informal)
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Diviseema:

why is she so against govts




she is not against govts.. she is particularly against socialistic form of govt. Her view is any govt has no right to annex individual property in the name of greater good.


inka vaccination vishayanikosthe ..as per idealogy - if govt pays appropriate price to the inventor and then distributes to people - her aakul challabadthai ani guess kodthunna.
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Diviseema:


in reality can world work like that.


Yes it worked like that since early humanity.
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i dont what singles , i want answer. its basic question. argument continues on ur answers.
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why is she so against govts. why she says govt. job is only to protect people. (police and army) and it have no other work.

in reality can world work like that.

who will build roads. ( i know the answer, u say people) . any individual cannot pay. it must be a group . a union. is that not a govt.
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1. Assume that one man(A) invented a vaccine for a deadly disease (say AIDS ).

2. There are 20000 victims of AIDS in this world.

3. A sold the medicine to 15000 of the victims and rejected to sell to other because they cannot afford the price A quoted.

4. should the govt. allow the other 5000 to die .

or if no govt. what should happen
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Whyme:

Who is john galt..


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Anand_n:

As an author - huge fan/admirer of her books




Same here.. Who is john galt..
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Diviseema:

ayn rand followers/admirers




As an author - huge fan/admirer of her books:-)

Her personal political ideology - have not particularly followed her views outside her books other than watching a few video interviews:-)

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Diviseema:

i basic question i want to ask to ayn rand followers/admirers about her ideology. anyone here.




follower ni kani , admirer ni kaani kaadhu.. but ask the quechen, i think i understand her ideology... :D
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Diviseema:


Im not a fan of her ideology but ask your question will try to answer from that perspective.
Spend less time trying to be brilliant and more time trying to avoid obvious stupidity.
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i basic question i want to ask to ayn rand followers/admirers about her ideology. anyone here.
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Not about this topic.. I saw ayn rand name.. Came and paid my respects here
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i feel she wasnt too articulate here...
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Ayn Rand - is great
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU
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