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     Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 15768 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
LOL - Entertainment Nostradmus ki jai  Lets take a check point this time next year on your predictions The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 4841 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 171.159.192.10 Rating: N/A |
Monna yevaro Varna System in Hindu India gurinchi article postaaru. Ivvala Vedic = Harappan Civilization, and vedas were written before 1200 BC ani unko article postaaru... BJP power loki vachhindaa??? next steps - Hindu festivals ki hype ekkuva, other religions festivals ki TV Channels toh kalipi hype takkuva avvuddi.. Christmas won't be called Holiday Season anymore. Maine Pyar Kiya level Eternal Blockbuster Classic No-exposing Love Story okati Bollywood lo paduddi. Fingers crossed. | ||
| Dreamcatcher Side Hero Username: Dreamcatcher Post Number: 5887 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68 Rating: N/A |
Thank you Anand ji. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 15766 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
These guys were very helpful for the land part - denali, talkeetna hotels. http://www.alaskatravel.com/ And then for the glacier trek http://www.micaguides.com/ Cruise I booked by researching different travel sites back in Februrary for a july travel Check out the Northern Lights coupon book if it will be useful for you I may have more info after I finish the trip The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Dreamcatcher Side Hero Username: Dreamcatcher Post Number: 5882 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68 Rating: N/A |
we are planning this, any resource links would be greatly appreciated.. like for cruise, planning trip on what to see, etc...TIA. | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4306 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
I am with you on this, I am not disputing the article but saying some physical evidence would go a long way to establish our arguments. Unfortunately for us we do not have much in terms of evidence, we have references to many wonderful things but very less to show In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4305 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
pragmatic rulers will do that first, we have to take care of the basic needs of the citizens before we embark on something like this. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Last_avataar Side Hero Username: Last_avataar Post Number: 3157 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.224 Rating: N/A |
Yes Bro, Anicient Indian have devised a method that records each event in the history , current with specific point in time based on unique atron calculation Based on the star chart explained in epics, using this foruma, they assume that this could have happend in this specific time of past, based on this calculation War is over - Let the Peace & Development Prevails all over. !!! Jai Hind !!! | ||
| Rajusk Legend Username: Rajusk Post Number: 31449 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.56.79 Rating: N/A |
meeru kooda Modi sarkar laaga..Toilets first..Temples next ani decide ayyara | ||
| Last_avataar Side Hero Username: Last_avataar Post Number: 3156 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.224 Rating: N/A |
Then Why Mharshi would have selected those geographies fo his novel, why are these places aquired historic significance Do you think all these people just go with the mindset of fantasy War is over - Let the Peace & Development Prevails all over. !!! Jai Hind !!! | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4303 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
There is a similar article about Mahabharata and the dates depicted in them, all of it extra polated by the references to the star positions and the events recorded in the epic itself. I had posted similar thread in this db some time ago. In one of my threads I presented a view that Ramayana was between ~16k-11k years based on similar information. There is no information that we have currently that can either prove it conclusively or disprove it, they remain hypothesis at best until proved. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Last_avataar Side Hero Username: Last_avataar Post Number: 3155 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.224 Rating: N/A |
This is what Maharshi Dipicted in Ramayan not any hostorian or arhiologist adminted. You must differtiate this fact. War is over - Let the Peace & Development Prevails all over. !!! Jai Hind !!! | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4302 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
bon voyage In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4301 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
Would be of great significance if we are able to excavate or atleast record the sangam sites and their contents. Hope we are able to do that, but before that our country should be concentrating on things that matter to its citizens. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 15765 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
thansk for the reco - will pick it up to read on my alaska cruise The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 15764 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Geography and astronomy are easy to depict - there were people who travelled the expanse of the country, accounts, travelogues of the lay of the land ,boundaries and maps for the kingdoms have existed since the begining of civilization The 11,000 years of rule etc I put them under the fantasy category -and it hurts people's sentments which is why I stopped discussing this stuff on the DB a few years ago Better to discuss the archaeological findings and data The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4300 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
I hear you, everybody has a different perspective and it adds more value to the argument and make the discussions interesting. These days I read a fiction - State of Fear by M. Crichton - though a fiction it throws an alternative perpective on global warming. when somebody said earth was not flat but round they were persecuted because of the beliefs of the day but ultimately the truth prevailed. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Last_avataar Side Hero Username: Last_avataar Post Number: 3153 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.224 Rating: N/A |
Ramayan was written by Valmiki when Rama almost concluded 11000 years of rule and Sita Gave Birth to Lavakusha in his ashram. Narada Narrated slokas at high level , and Maharshi written Ramayan in such a way that he has seen each and evry moment of it One of the good vedios of youtube, that maps the places mentioned in Ramayan with India's goegraphy at that time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlrujxD86nk Its amazing cocincidance, Maharshi dipicted the exact geography of India during the time. War is over - Let the Peace & Development Prevails all over. !!! Jai Hind !!! | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 15763 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
New people , new ids, same discussions
I believe Mythology = some history with a lot of added fantasy to make it appealing - so ala a chronology of events chaduvutunnappudu vachina thought that it might just be a search for the river - I find it more fun to find logical connections than just believe the mythology verbatim Others find my line of thought blasphemous The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4296 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
definitely there is a precedent to it, vedas mention saraswati as a mighty rives and river ganga does not find lot of mention, could be that after saraswati dried up ganga was the main stay for the civilization that moved east and so it gained importance. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 14815 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.131.68 Rating: N/A |
deja vu moments ... thread chaduvuthunte | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4295 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
there will always be debate on AIT sometimes it takes different shape - everything revolves around who wants to take credit. There are many things in the history that still have to be discovered - you may have heard about akkadian empire in the area that is Iraq now, it was supposed to be one of the most developed civilizations( ofcourse people forget about Harappan), they know the area but could not find the city of that civilization until now , just some artifacts were found .. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Last_avataar Side Hero Username: Last_avataar Post Number: 3149 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.224 Rating: N/A |
Chala aPT ga undi... Ganges was never mentioned during the time of sarawathi.  War is over - Let the Peace & Development Prevails all over. !!! Jai Hind !!! | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 15761 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Link blocked at work - will read later in the evening - any new discoveries ?
Theorised a long time ago in the DB that the Bhagiratha Prayatnam to get Ganga down to redeem the souls is an allegory to the people trying to find a new life source (watersource) after Saraswati dried up The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4294 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
tammi, I am not disputing evidence here, would not have posted this thread if i did not believe in it.Iam just saying history is written from the perspective of the person or establishment that is present at that time and can be influenced but sciences like archaeology cannot be disputed(but can be interpreted).I had posted earlier threads too in this db saying Aryan theory was a myth and we had some good discussions on it, so this is another article that proves that. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Thokkalohdi Side Hero Username: Thokkalohdi Post Number: 2944 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.130.117.120 Rating: N/A |
not really, there is still debate Ranbir Kapoor is god of acting | ||
| Thokkalohdi Side Hero Username: Thokkalohdi Post Number: 2943 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.130.117.120 Rating: N/A |
dont digest cultures annai... like hinduism is being digested. hinduism is veeerry old, i wouldnt be surprised if we had close relations with greek. Which can be proved by atlantis story. but anyways... we are a very old community. And our main land is between afghanistan and philipines. Ranbir Kapoor is god of acting | ||
| Lichtenberg Comedian Username: Lichtenberg Post Number: 1067 Registered: 08-2013 Posted From: 162.115.108.104 Rating: N/A |
AIT is already discredited theory kadaa? inkaa kothagaa emi undi? | ||
| Last_avataar Side Hero Username: Last_avataar Post Number: 3144 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.224 Rating: N/A |
No Archiologist , Historian can find all the proofs and link them togerther to present facts. Always there is 40% assumption Neharu stcikctly followed Max Muller and presented all those incorrect versions in his discovery of India which was forced on us. Aryans came from Middle east blah blha Infact the existance of Sarawathi river and its fidninds prove the other way round War is over - Let the Peace & Development Prevails all over. !!! Jai Hind !!! | ||
| Thokkalohdi Side Hero Username: Thokkalohdi Post Number: 2942 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.130.117.120 Rating: N/A |
https://www.umassd.edu/media/umassdartmouth/centerforindicst udies/conf2006presentation.pdf thats the same presentation with images. So that you can "see" it yourself the evidence Ranbir Kapoor is god of acting | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4293 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
A project, spearheaded by Indiaâs Oil and Natural Gas Corporation 500312.BY +1.22%, to make water flow in the Saraswati, a sacred river that dried up around 4,000 years ago, has stalled and prospects of getting it moving again appear bleak. ONGC, a state run oil company, began drilling in 2005 near Jaisalmer, Rajasthan, in order to revive the river with the hope of eventually bringing a new water source to parts of Haryana, Rajasthan and Gujarat. âONGC Project Saraswati,â has so far cost 20 million rupees ($369,468), according to a person involved in the project. But people with knowledge of the initiative say progress has now stalled, hampered by changes in leadership and a lack of continuity in the team involved. The Saraswati was one of Indiaâs three most sacred rivers along with the River Ganges and Yamuna before geological changes, believed to have been an earthquake, caused it to dry up. Geologists think the river originated in the Himalayas and flowed through Haryana, Rajasthan and Sindh, emerging in the Arabian Sea. Today, many believe it flows underground and it is often referred to as âthe mythical river.â Hindu religious texts, such as Rig Veda, mention the Saraswati and it is said to have extended over 1600 kilometers. The site where the Saraswati is thought to cross the River Ganges and Yamuna in Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, is considered particularly sacred. Millions of pilgrims gather there to bathe during the Kumbh Mela festival every three years, believing it will cleanse them of their sins. It is unclear when the first plans to bring water back into the Saraswati were first made, but work began earnest when Subir Raha, then chairman of ONGC, took on the challenge as part of the companyâs corporate social responsibility activities in 2005. His inspiration came from Libyaâs âGreat Man-Made River Projectâ, which started in 1983 and aimed to bring water to large parts of Libya. In the Libyan system, groundwater stored in wells, is transported around the country via an extensive series of interconnected pipelines. ONGC funded and oversaw the Saraswati project and started drilling in 2005. They found water that was less saline than elsewhere in the region, flowing at a speed of 76,000 liters per hour, such a force was unusual in the area. âWe suspected that the source from where it is coming must be huge,â said M.R. Rao, a former ONGC employee who had been involved in the project until 2010. He added that it probably stemmed from an underground source, says Mr. Rao. At several locations in Haryana, including Kalayat and Adi Badri, geologists working independently of ONGC, have found evidence to indicate that the Saraswati flowed there. At Kalayat, geologists found sediments that match those in the Himalayas, from where Saraswati was believed to have originated. At Adi Badri, archaeologists found black sand with traces of mica, a mineral, on excavation. These minerals are also found in Himalayas. âThe conjecture is that it must have been transported from the greater Himalayas to this place by some kind of a transport mechanism, usually a river, which in this case is Saraswati,â said Mr. Rao. Boosted by the findings, the project was then extended to the rest of Rajasthan, Haryana and Gujarat in 2008. But it has been in limbo for at least the last three years, according to people associated with the initiative. âThe project is not being pursued with the same vigor as it was being pursued earlier,â said Mr. Rao. âIt has almost come to a standstill,â he added. An ONGC employee involved in the project couldnât be reached. A.R. Chaudhri, a geologist at Kurukshetra University who had been working as a consultant for ONGC since 2005, said the project was now âin a complete mess.â âWhether any progress is there or not, God knows,â said Mr. Chaudhri. He hasnât been called to work on the project since 2010. The Saraswati team at ONGC has changed multiple times as many people initially associated with it have retired, according to people who have worked on the project. If completed, the project could have an impact on the availability of fresh water in states where water shortage is a chronic problem, those involved claim. âIf we are able to make headway in this, then in some pockets water [in southern Haryana] could be made availableâ, said Mr. Chaudhri. Water shortage has been a significant problem in many parts of India including Haryana. Last year, Delhi and Haryana had a bitter confrontation over water sharing. Delhi claimed that its request to Haryana to supply its share of water has not been met. Haryana, on the other hand, said that Delhi had received more than its share and it could not be held be responsible for Delhiâs poor water management. This year as well, almost half of Gujarat was affected by drought. As well as alleviating water shortages, reviving the Saraswati may also boost tourism. âIt will not only attract devotees but also general tourists,â says Darshan Lal Jain, president of Saraswati Nadi Shodh Sansthan, a NGO which supports the revival of the river. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4291 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
history is ok but not proof since its written by people, archaeological proofs stand scrutiny because you cannot write them although they are prone to interpretation but not far from truth In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4290 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
the nail in the coffin for the older arguments was the discovery of the saraswati river, traces of the route which was found still intact under upper terrain and the archaelogical evidence that that water to river saraswati was diverted to yamuna due to earthquake that shut off the water. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
| Last_avataar Side Hero Username: Last_avataar Post Number: 3142 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.224 Rating: N/A |
Historians says that , there were 2 sets of people lived on each side of the Saraswathi river. Both followed Sanatana Dharma Culture. As it dried up, the northen side moved twards middle east and settled. Thet are believed to have built the Mecca Temple as Shiva later stages some revolutionaries with in the group created islam (Ishalayam) religion, removing lot of ritual based practises and idol worship damaged all idols of Mecca ad made it a Mosque kind of thing. But still pradakshinams and worship of black stone in place The people who lived on the southern part of the settled in Bharat Varsha. War is over - Let the Peace & Development Prevails all over. !!! Jai Hind !!! | ||
| Thokkalohdi Side Hero Username: Thokkalohdi Post Number: 2940 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.130.117.120 Rating: N/A |
infact.. harappan culture is vedic culture ani cheppatam chala santhosam. he also proved that saraswathi river flow with help of hydrologists and carbon dating is amazing. thanks for sharing the article. BB Lal is amazing guy... BB Lal, SR Rao should be awarded bharat ratnas for their work on our past. Ranbir Kapoor is god of acting | ||
| Thokkalohdi Side Hero Username: Thokkalohdi Post Number: 2939 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.130.117.120 Rating: N/A |
keka article amma... he didnot metion SR.Rao dwaraka site though. But amazingly he proved vedas are older than 1200BC. they are much older than 5000BC. As one western scientist said, indians have this amazing knowledge about science, astronomy, mathematics yet the applications are all related to spirituality. Ranbir Kapoor is god of acting | ||
| Ballasticmissile Side Hero Username: Ballasticmissile Post Number: 8020 Registered: 07-2012 Posted From: 125.99.197.136 Rating: N/A |
yes i agree ......their decedents were andhrites who are also called nagi people .....then formed a kingdom named andhra kingdom around 1000 bc.....then andhras descendants were satavahanas........then came andhra ishwaku rajus who are surya vamsa,then vishnukundis and chalukyas.....next reddy rajus who are called andhra pariraksukulu........ taruvata kakatiya kingdom andhra desanni palinchindi...... next delhi sultanates occupyed kakatiyas but andhrites fought back from kondapalli and expelled sultanates...... next reddys ni vijayanagara samrajyam defeated..... next after 300yrs of vijayanagara rule malli muslms occupyed andhra land...... i am leading a pious life so far so good new_user:Please, dont brng brand Mahesh into this discussion. BMW ki 50k pay chestunnarani, Chevy kooda anthe demand chesthe, ela? | ||
| Okahyderabadi Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 4289 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 157.130.154.114 Rating: N/A |
A Fresh Look at Ancient Indian History By B. B. Lal, Director General (Retd.), Archaeological Survey of India Lecture given at the National Council of Educational Research and Training (NCERT), New Delhi For a pretty long time the following four myths have been obscuring our vision of Indiaâs past: Myth 1: âThere was an Aryan Invasion of Indiaâ Myth 2: âThe Harappans were a Dravidian-speaking Peopleâ Myth 3: âThe Rigvedic Sarasvati was the Helmand of Afghanistan,â and Myth 4: âThe Harappan Culture became Extinctâ Read on: http://www.cycleoftime.com/blog/2014/04/18/why-perpetuate-my ths-b-b-lal/ In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
