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Mental_sachinodu:




Yeah - we've had some discussions wrt to patterns, frames of reference, empathy, mirror neurons .. The metaphors part was interesting and made some thoughts fall into place :-)

The no rationality sans emotion part brought the last manasu/ mind/ heart discussion to mind ..:-)

This lecture was at some sustainability conference so he talks more about how to appeal to the conservative framework - found that interesting too :-)

Zingthing:


Lol - rarely discuss this stuff in those groups - so they were probably surprised :-) i just found the reaction funny

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Anand_n:

did you find an online copy of Philosophy of the flesh ? Or were you planning to buy/ borrow a copy ?



I was planning to buy ... but i wanted to check the local library first
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finished 5 parts of the lecture.. very interesting session.. some concepts appeared surprisingly obvious once they were explained :-)

for a while I was also thinking in the lines of "Frames",ofcourse i did not the term or was not as clear as it was explained the window. Another dimension added to the concept is linguistics related. I always thought our thoughts were limited by the language.. or atleast language is an indication of our perception and thoughts. Coupled with "Frames", it is bringing out some new explanations, which now i feel are obvious :D


i had to start back from the first video after i finished the third.. now stopped after 5th.. want to listen all 5 parts again to move to sixth
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Anand_n:

philosophy & neuroscience -




.inchu minchu ilaa feel ayyuntaaru



LOL
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Just keeping the thread alive with an anecdote - I was at a motivational session for kids with some parents - mostly desi :-) the instructor had a question for us- if you had unlimited access to the best library what would you study ? people here probably know my answer - philosophy & neuroscience - but i saw eyebrows go up in that parent group

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Nisarga:


 Thought is mostly unconscious.


This. Is there a non-medically differentiating explanation between unconscious and sub-conscious? Because an anesthesiologist would laugh at this statement.
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Pt 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T46bSyh0xc0
Pt.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7piNmK-H55Y
Pt.3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkpcvH7x1aY
Pt.4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AEUfOBrVHo
Pt.5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN0ZYJOLcvQ
Pt.6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wt18IXDm1U




Awesome!!!
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Mental_sachinodu:




Almost done listening to this lecture from George Lakoff, one of the authors of this book.Definitely worth the hour.He connects the mental frameworks, metaphors and morality and then takes it to economic, ecological and political positions

Pt 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T46bSyh0xc0
Pt.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7piNmK-H55Y
Pt.3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkpcvH7x1aY
Pt.4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AEUfOBrVHo
Pt.5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN0ZYJOLcvQ
Pt.6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wt18IXDm1U

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Off topic - but only slightly :-)

Inroads into how our internal GPS in the brain works ..
http://cns.utexas.edu/news/neurons-tune-different-frequencie s

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Mental_sachinodu:



GEB is good and you may enjoy the Godel parts more than I did , i found those a little dry :-)

Btw, did you find an online copy of Philosophy of the flesh ? Or were you planning to buy/ borrow a copy ?

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Nisarga:


MS, miru GEB(Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid) chadivara? chadavakapothe try cheyyandi ..chala baguntundi.




chadavaledhu.. will surely do
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Anand_n:

How are you Thanks for the post - will add it to my 'to read ' list




Good. thanks.

MS, miru GEB(Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid) chadivara? chadavakapothe try cheyyandi ..chala baguntundi.
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:-)

ghode kode ko khuve ke paas leke jaa sakthe hai. lekin paani nahi pila sakthe hai..

opika unte guvvesh ki explain cheyyandi :D
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Anta ledu - i still enjoy reading this stuff :-)

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Anand_n:

Lol - weekend intlo kurchoni ee philosophy/ mind/ reason enduku - find a reason to engage your mind elsewhere


meeru kudaa sookshmam grahinchesaaru
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Lol - weekend intlo kurchoni ee philosophy/ mind/ reason enduku - find a reason to engage your mind elsewhere

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definetly changed my plans for the weekend :-)
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How are you :-) Thanks for the post - will add it to my 'to read ' list :-)

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em varjyam vundhaa?




wel.. dont know if that was intentional .. anthe anuko :-)
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Mental_sachinodu:

not today


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not today :-) :-(
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Mental_sachinodu:

with AI i meant aritificial intelligence.. one of of my favorite subjects and past times


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with AI i meant aritificial intelligence.. one of of my favorite subjects and past times
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Artificial intelligence = AI anukuntaa
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Rudraksha:

ALI lo L missing annamata




oh avuna..

Air India anukonnane...chuss..
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Kalikaalam:

AI ante yenti??


ALI lo L missing annamata
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Mental_sachinodu:

by any chance are you into AI ?




AI ante yenti??
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Mental_sachinodu:

by any chance are you into AI




No. just into software. interested in mind/matter. drawn to AI after reading GEB from Douglas Hofstadter, but never seriously into it.
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thanks for the resources.

by any chance are you into AI ?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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For Anand and others whoever interested...

looks like a very good read....conforms to physicalist view :-).

http://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Flesh-Embodied-Challenge-We stern/dp/0465056741
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/l/lakoff-philosophy.html

The mind is inherently embodied.

 Thought is mostly unconscious.

 Abstract concepts are largely metaphorical.

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