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Mental_sachinodu:

oka Periyar, oka Ambedkar .. anti-hindu stance was very strong from them...


Periyar and Ambedkar are not in same league.

As different as chalk and cheese.

Ambedkar did have his differences with Hindutva thoughts, the idea of nationalism etc when he started .. but as time passed by, Ambedkar did evolve a lot, and by the time of his death (1956) .. he was more closer to Jana Sangh than Congress and Nehru, due to his thoughts.

Even for Brahmin supporters of BJP - Ambedkar may be a little uncomfortable to handle. But thats more due to ignorance of Ambedkar's life as an entirety and as someone here correctly pointed it out, he was a prisoner of his exclusive Dalit icon image than a more liberal nationalist.

Lastly, even conservative and orthodox Brahmins need a reality check as to who they are supporting in politics - Congress and its ilk stand for minority appeasement and to be more specific, abrahamic appeasement and thats far away from the idea of India. When that fact is realized, Ambedkar and his ideas are far more appealing.
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conversion factory ki major impact if BJP pulls this off well.
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but anti-hindu remarks kooda chala untaayi.
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there is a large chunk of hindus who agree with his criticism of hinduism.......so I dont think appropriating him won't be difficult for bjp if it really wants to.....which I feel is long overdue
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not anti-hindu, more anti-brahmin. he realized that all non-brahmins need to be at the same level as brahmins and pushed hard for sanskrit being democratized. he wanted sanskrit to be the national language. also his push towards budhism was because he considered that as the only force that ever threatened brahmins. the rise of Modi can coincide well with the adoption of ambedkar's ideals. a good move for BJP.
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Thokkalodhi,

His criticism of hinduism - this is accepted by hindus and pseudos
His ctiricism of Islam - not accepted by muslims and not accepted by pseudos

so far he is pigeon holed as a dalit leader(mostly by cong and cong-like parties) .....i am saying this can be changed and he can be made acceptable to the so-called upper caset hindus
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Litchenberg vunkl,
you are correct about what you say, but anti-hindu remarks kooda chala untaayi.. if BJP makes ambedkar one of their own... its definitely a big blow for congress.
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Lichtenberg:


correctey kani hindus ki against ga kuda okka 100 chapters raasundachu anukuntunna... didnt read any of his books except constitution in school.
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In chapter 12, he observes, âAmong the tenets one that calls for notice is the tenet of Islam which says that in a country which is not under Muslim rule wherever there is a conflict between Muslim law and the law of the land, the former must prevail over the latter and a Muslim will be justified in obeying the Muslim law and defying the law of the land.â
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Mental_sachinodu:

oka Ambedkar .. anti-hindu stance was very strong from them




periyar lite le gaani

ambedkar can easily be owned by BJP......his arguments can be used for things like UCC

Ambedkar, in the same book, has severely criticized Gandhi for his duplicity and double standards he adopted on Hindu killings v/s muslim killings. He writes, âBut Mr. Gandhi has never protested against such murders. Not only have the Musalmans not condemned these outrages but even Mr. Gandhi has never called upon the leading Muslims to condemn them. He has kept silent over them. Such an attitude can be explained only on the ground that Mr. Gandhi was anxious to preserve Hindu-Moslem unity and did not mind the murders of a few Hindus, if it could be achieved by sacrificing their lives. This attitude to excuse the Muslims any wrong, lest it should injure the cause of unity, is well illustrated by what Mr. Gandhi had to say in the matter of the Mopla riots. The blood-curdling atrocities committed by the Moplas in Malabar against the Hindus were indescribable. All over Southern India, a wave of horrified feeling had spread among the Hindus of every shade of opinion, which was intensified when certain Khilafat leaders were so misguided as to pass resolutions of " congratulations to the Moplas on the brave fight they were conducting for the sake of religion". Any person could have said that this was too heavy a price for Hindu-Moslem unity. But Mr. Gandhi was so much obsessed by the necessity of establishing Hindu-Moslem unity that he was prepared to make light of the doings of the Moplas and the Khilafats who were congratulating them. He spoke of the Moplas as the "brave God-fearing Moplas who were fighting for what they consider as religion and in a manner which they consider as religious ".
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Mental_sachinodu:

vellaani vz ga vown chesukovassu




Congress elagu vallani marchipoyindi...they only want indira, rajeev and now sonia... not even putting nehru on any flexis these days... other parties can take advantage.
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Thokkalohdi:


"charitra di emundi chinchesthey chirigipothundi" - mahatma bramhi




ofcourse ...

bibi nanchari ni own sesukunattu... vellaani vz ga vown chesukovassu
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

oka Periyar, oka Ambedkar .. anti-hindu stance was very strong from them...




"charitra di emundi chinchesthey chirigipothundi" - mahatma bramhi
Ranbir Kapoor is god of acting
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it will also shake BJP's roots. Ambedkar ante chala mandhi BJPians ki ishtam undadhi...

oka Periyar, oka Ambedkar .. anti-hindu stance was very strong from them...
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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getting owned by BJP. they are painting congress as exclusive gandhi family.. EGF... this will shake the roots of congress hold in many places if they dont react soon... lets see..
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