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     Jawmetri Side Hero Username: Jawmetri Post Number: 2715 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.204.164.76 Rating: N/A |
That is a nice point to bring to light. Most of the companies are moving to Agile. Desi developers in India hate agile because they feel like someone is always breathing. Agile means performing everyday. Desi offshore in Agile hate their lives. Waterfall means you can continue like college, slack and enjoy for most of the project, when delivery time comes, do all nighters to make the delivery happen. | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 3719 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 206.208.180.240 Rating: N/A |
I second that. All languages are the same, it is the same for-loop, if-else statements, switch-case, bitwise operations if need be antaaru... only the syntax differs ani argue sesthaar... All I think at that moment is you are not an engineer, you don't even know programming.. When you don't know when to use Factory Pattern, and when to use Singleton, your system is gonna turn-out crappy, and you'll only survive by fixing the defects anipisthadi... "Best lesson for life - Keep Calm and deal with it, one day at a time!!!" - Charles Peckham Charlie Day, It's always Sunny in Philadelphia. | ||
| Getafix Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 13317 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 151.151.16.17 Rating: N/A |
article intent endho teldhu kani majority of desi coders chesedi plug n play coding. This plug n play is result of tech leads/managers doing not so good job of providing estimates. In my experience, ive seen desi managers over promising deliverable to the client. Quality anedi years of practice of doing samething tho osthundi - i worked with some perl scripters who do wonders with perl because they have been working in perl for last 10 yrs or so. Desis do not have that luxury - they have to consistently change skills for various reasons. | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 3718 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 206.208.180.240 Rating: N/A |
This I Agree. Two weeks ago Agile Workshop okati attend ayyanu. Mostly on Scrum, and little comparisons with Kanban. Overall, Offshoring doesn't seem like a viable option for Onsite Agile projects. Oka big chunk dump chesi, deadline ichhesi, Offshore ni mee ishtam SDLC lo chesukuntaaro, Agile lo chesukuntaaro cheskondi... come back with finished working product ante oka 35% success rate vundochhu... Day-to-day or Alternate Days status calls vunde sprint-cycles based Onsite Scrum implementation ki Offshoring is a pedda bokka. I now tend to think that the article in the OP is biased more towards projects done from Scratch. SOW kinda Struts, Spring and Hibernate vaadi 3 months lo intranet website deliver cheyandi ani isthey naasi rakam product vasthundi. T&M contracts lo system enhancements, defect resolution tyfe projects are a lot smoother and add to a lot of success rate for the offshore company. "Best lesson for life - Keep Calm and deal with it, one day at a time!!!" - Charles Peckham Charlie Day, It's always Sunny in Philadelphia. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 12403 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
Companies are today competing on services and resources, and the reason is being cost effective while managing to bid bigger and longer projects. The product and the quality of it does not matter as long as there is another company which can offer them another product, hence the lack of focus on quality anipinchindhi. If companies were delivering products instead of services, it automatically transforms to quality and efficiency. The moment someone says you get the same developer for cheap, i cringe. In my view good developers do not come cheap. evadu ayina raasedhi same program ani chepthaaru... which i do not agree. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14397 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Ee onsite mgmt kuda mee company valle untaru kada - or client aa ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Enigmatic Junior Artist Username: Enigmatic Post Number: 189 Registered: 11-2010 Posted From: 68.238.248.31 Rating: N/A |
How are you claiming that most projects are failures. Is there any empirical evidence ? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14396 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
12 years desam lo pani chese ikkadiki vachanu - meeru cheppinavi anni first hand telusu - but empty ideals chepte janalau mararu ... anduke model marchukovali annanu - Metrics drive behavior anedi gattiga nammutanu  Model marite towards product delivery more than services delivery, measurement criteria marutundi, design quality, code efficiency, reusability,performance tuning of the finished product will find place in performance measurement of the companies and percolate down to the individual.... if majority fall deficient appudu training curricula maratayi... Overnight jaragadu - mentality from design translation to code nunchi alternate design approacheds ki vellali ante - different brain muscles use cheyyali kada ..but over time will awrok anukuntunna ee developer to team lead expectation is the axe which desi companies have felled their own feet with - konchem experience vachi big picture alochinche ability vache lopala vallaki financial big picture manage cheyyamani team , proposals, estimates antakadataru instead of taking up the tech value chain ippativaraku work ayyindi now they have to adapt ...The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 7807 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
 keka link: http://www.theunrealtimes.com/category/fikileaks/ | ||
| Abhysg Hero Username: Abhysg Post Number: 12132 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 68.46.32.32 Rating: N/A |
India ku cost wise ga offshore anedi 10 years back work ayindi emo kaani.. ipudu assal kaadu.. most projects are failed.. quality ledu.. commitment ledu.. work ante asal respect ye ledu.. indian ayinanduku nenu agree avvadaniki mohamata padalsi ostondi.. but adi fact.. indian offshore anedi oka failed if you take large number of projects into consideration.. there may be few critical projects delivered by few companies.. no siggy | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 7804 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
kikiki.... chinna ejjample.... maa dantlo pedda migration project nadusthondi.... client crucial change okati analyze cheyyandi ani pcr ampithe.... which doubles the effort... sarigga analyze cheyyakunda onsite senior mgmnt no impact to plan ani reply ettaru.... offshore manager ochi dobbuledithe naalika karichi kalla meeda paddaru... em cheddari ani.... maa vollu pagalu reyi chematodchi rickshaw thokki schedule meet ayyaru.... ippudu next phase kelle mundu inko bhaari activity undi... daaniki maa company ichina quote ekkuva gaa undi ani client 'we will do it with our own IT team' annadu.... now he'z lagging the schedule by 3 weeks.... cut cheshte... hands up ani... plzzz help annadu... now we are helping the client in addition to the normal delivery annamaata.....  keka link: http://www.theunrealtimes.com/category/fikileaks/ | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 3716 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 206.208.180.240 Rating: N/A |
honestly, laabham ledu. Meeru Manager perspective lo plan chesthunnaru, nenu Dev perspective lo reality parichayam chesthunnanu. Code Quality, Code Style, Coding Standards anevi assalu pattavu indian IT projects lo. Design Patterns, Algorithms, asalu yevvariki teliyanu kooda teliyav annattu vuntundi atmosphere. 5 yrs of experience, including 2 to 3 yrs on bench is good enough to be promoted as a team-lead. Real promotion kaakapoyinaa, job-profile and responsibilities automatically will pull the Dev into managerial and delegation kinda role. US lo Oracle DB Exception Number chepithey em jaruguthu vundochhu point-blank precise gaa guess cheyagalaru... India lo Managers panic button press sesi, higher management ki dev-teams are full of rebellions ani seppi rachha sesthaaru... First Hand close experiences.. "Best lesson for life - Keep Calm and deal with it, one day at a time!!!" - Charles Peckham Charlie Day, It's always Sunny in Philadelphia. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 12397 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
exactly , my thoughts. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14394 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Article pakkana pedite - dynamic change avutundi..idivaraku laga long waterfall projects cheyyataledu - waterfall ayite desam pampatam easy - pampina taravata desi companies ki double janalu petti training ivvatam, shadowing, akkada internal reviews etc kudirevi... Ippudu ekkuva agile projects -documentation takkuva conversation ekkuva, colocation or atleast being available in the same timezone is more important - short iterations/sprints, speed of delivery critical - so desam lo learning curve ki time ledu ..so melliga mix shift avutundi .. Desam lo kuda model marchi end to end product development teesukovali , T&M sustain avvatam kashtam anipistundi The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jawmetri Side Hero Username: Jawmetri Post Number: 2712 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 71.204.164.76 Rating: N/A |
80% of the Indian Coders in India are of poor quality ( if good then slow, if fast then bad). Overall, poor value for money. 20% of the remaining Indian Coders are like 80% of the US Coders, they give value to the American company because they are getting the same product for 1/4th of the cost. and usually the best skilled 10 percent (H1Bs) are taken to the US or put in leadership positions in India. You also do see cases in the US where individuals are paid well for doing very little. | ||
| Bangarappa Junior Artist Username: Bangarappa Post Number: 244 Registered: 09-2013 Posted From: 216.218.203.71 Rating: N/A |
Vuncle idhi business kadha... Why does the bsuiness care about the people of the country it operates in.. Only bottom line matters kadha At least that's what the reality is. Take Apple for example -- China lo production... .. Thammuddu thammudu pekate pekate annatu.... In this flat world the bottom line matters - and there is a conflict of interest between employee financial well being and business well being.. .. So it is not rocket science to guess what will be given more priority. andaru kalisi adataniki idhi yemaina holy pandaga ? | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 3711 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 206.208.180.240 Rating: N/A |
30 to 40% of the cost ki same quality expect cheyatam waste. Of course, in general full cost pay chesinaa.. Indians mentality won't change much. As long as it works, it is good. Value addition, defect mitigation efforts zero. malli malli defects vasthene manaki jobs vuntaayi. Most white guys I have worked with don't want to go back to fix something, so the first time they write code, they really complete it!!! "Best lesson for life - Keep Calm and deal with it, one day at a time!!!" - Charles Peckham Charlie Day, It's always Sunny in Philadelphia. | ||
| Nice Side Hero Username: Nice Post Number: 4167 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 117.193.27.161 Rating: N/A |
English vochi savaka gani - lekapothe china vallu manalni kummi kummi vadilevallu. Lowest wage demanding lo vallani kottevadu undadu Global villlage lanti words vinataniki baguntayi gani - upayoga padavu. As a country it is their duty to care of their citizens. Prathi dhi pakkavadu dobbesthe lowest wage ki inka vallu ela bathukutaru | ||
| Bangarappa Junior Artist Username: Bangarappa Post Number: 240 Registered: 09-2013 Posted From: 38.99.121.227 Rating: N/A |
Pulihara article... Amru galaki farak lekapothe indiaki yeppudo pamipichadam apeyvalu. Ikkada challa pedda anti indian sentiment vundi india IT jobs antha dobbesthandi ani. Many feel the software guys here are getting screwed because some 25 yr old from Bangalore took his job even in 2013. Once, twice, thrice, maybe even four times is luck. But if they keep coming back over and over, It's working for the customer. That's all that matters. Ee amru galla mentality naku ardam avadu. It's a globalized village, thokkolo "stop sending our jobs to india"... Neee abba ray... That wasn't your job to begin with.. Lowest wage demanding individual gets it. Toooo much entitled attitude in west asala. andaru kalisi adataniki idhi yemaina holy pandaga ? | ||
| Abhinav Junior Artist Username: Abhinav Post Number: 460 Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 66.90.101.228 Rating: N/A |
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/beh ind-the-bad-indian-coder/280636/ |
