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no sanse.

It has to be finished before Jan end which seems impossible looking at it.

Mottham as aj it eej script nadusthondiii.

GOMs will put up the proposal into the open and collect views.

To study the issues and objections they will take 30 days.

Some where in Feb 1st week they will say we have decided to grant Telangana and prepares a draft note and sends to Parliamnet by which time the Election code of conduct will be in place.

No special session of parliamnet possible.
Congress has given butttttttttt.............
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Winter kakapote next session malli eppudu?




special session kosam pilava vachu.
Vote for Decoits... Bring back Pizzaa Rule...
Keep Decoits Away... Keep Congress Away...

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Kattam annai winter session last antunnaru.May lo elections vuntai.Article 371-D has been the fly in the ointment for the bill anukunta
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Winter kakapote next session malli eppudu?
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17:30 LIVE! Telangana Bill unlikely to be tabled in winter session of Parliament: The Telangana Bill is unlikely to be tabled in the Winter Session of Parliament for seven reasons, according to highly placed UPA sources. The decision was taken by the Group of Ministers (GoM) constituted to draft the bill, since they believe it will take at least two more months.

Two Union Ministers of the GoM are of the view that the draft bill should be uploaded on the net to seek public opinion and 30 days should be given for some clarity to emerge from the public discussion on the Bill.

The GoM need to discuss the Telangana draft Bill in three or four sittings.
Detailed report on Rediff.com shortly.
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Comma petti state of T add cheyadam matiki comedy ga undi. Aa chiina nukka add cheyadaniki kida majority kavali kada
This Andhra real estate is for sale.
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http://epaper.namasthetelangaana.com/epaperimages/20102013/2 0102013-md-hr-13/D95875456.JPG



pichi article. state of andhra pradesh pakkana chinna kaamaa petti state of telangana ani cheristhe saripotundi ani medhaavulu antunnaarata.

mestaaroo..deenne raajyaanga savarana antaaru..deenike special majority (i.e 2/3 of present and voting and 50% of house) avasaram..
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This requires not simple majority, but 2/3rd majority, for which the Support of BJP is must.




This line is partially wrong.

It actually requires majority of a) 50% of total strength of house or b) 2/3 of members present and voting - whichever is bigger.

So, out of 544 members, suppose 400 MPs are present for voting it requires just 272 votes to pass the bill (272 >267)..
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http://epaper.namasthetelangaana.com/epaperimages/20102013/2 0102013-md-hr-13/D95875456.JPG
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NT vadi article:
http://epaper.namasthetelangaana.com/epaperimages/20102013/2 0102013-md-hr-1/D95863072.JPG
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. TRS position soothe this could become an issue.
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tdf forum lo deeni gurinchi okatanu baga rasadu. pasting the content here:

CLARIFICATIONS ON 371-D
Mulki Rules were finally held valid in 1972, when PV was Chief Minister. Andhra agitation started, their main demands werte removal of Mulki Rules and Abolition of Telangana Regional Committee-TRC. No conditions no safeguards, or else bifurcation. Indira Gandhi was all powerful after Bangladesh war, she was adamant on not bifurcating the state. She persuaded Andhra and Telangana political leadership in accepting 6-point formula, which accepts removal of mulki rules and abolition of TRC. Since supreme court judgement has to be annulled and constitutionally valid TRC, Constitutional steps became necessary. 32nd Amendment was adopted, and 371-D was adopted. The service rules then prevailing were abolished, and the President of India was authorized to make service rules for AP. (371-A, B, C, etc deal with other states )371-D deals with AP, which empowered President of India to make Rules. Presidential Order was issued-----State is divided into 6 zones.ZONE V, VI deal with 10 Districts of Telangana.
Any change in this order, has to be changed only with the Approval of President. Changing non-gazetted posts into Gazetted Posts, Change in the Number of HODs etc have to be approved by President, AP cannot do it automatically. Recent controversy on 14(f) has creasted history and agitation. City police under 14f is free zone, This state gove misused and made several posts free zone. Education Dept has deviated to such an extent as started calling and using City as Zone VII, and free zone Therefore 14 f had to be removed, State sending proposal to Center, Home Dept examines and Sends to the President of India, and only after approval Gazette notification is issued.
Now in the context of Telangana bill, this can be accepted by Simple majority in the Parliament. State is formed. But, before this is done 371-D has to be withdrawn from the statutes Book, constitutional amendment once again.This requires not simple majority, but 2/3rd majority, for which the Support of BJP is must.For these reasons Andhra employees are harping on 371d. If u still have doubts, pl. contact me on phone
( U can see Mulki Rules in Google )

Prof. Sreedhara Swamy
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So definite ga tirakasu undi
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Law ministry ki ee matter refer cheste still matter open. No comments or recommendations back ata. Still political FAA congress decided to proceed. Mallee yedo twist vuntundi like how they bypassed assembly.
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Article 371D {Special provisions with respect to the State of Andhra Pradesh}

(1) The President may by order made with respect to the State of Andhra Pradesh provide, having regard to the requirements of the State as a whole, for equitable opportunities and facilities for the people belonging to different parts of the State, in the matter of public employment and in the matter of education, and different provisions may be made for various parts of the State.
(2) An order made under clause (1) may, in particular, -
(a) require the State Government to organise any class or classes of posts in a civil service of, or any class or classes of civil posts under, the State into different local cadres for different parts of the State and allot in accordance with such principles and procedure as may be specified in the order the persons holding such posts to the local cadres so organised;
(b) specify any part or parts of the State which shall be regarded as the local area -
(i) for direct recruitment to posts in any local cadre (whether organised in pursuance of an order under this article or constituted otherwise) under the State Government;
(ii) for direct recruitment to posts in any cadre under any local authority within the State; and
(iii) for the purposes of admission to any University within the state or to any other educational institution which is subject to the control of the State Government;
(c) specify the extent to which, the manner in which and the conditions subject to which, preference or reservation shall be given or made -
(i) in the matter of direct recruitment to posts in any such cadre referred to in sub-clause (b) as may be specified in this behalf in the order,
(ii) in the matter of admission to any such University or other educational institution referred to in sub-clause (b) as may be specified in this behalf in the order, to or in favour of candidates who have resided or studied for any period specified in the order in the local area in respect of such cadre, University or other educational institution, as the case may be.
(3) The President may, by order, provide for the constitution of an Administrative Tribunal for the State of Andhra Pradesh to exercise such jurisdiction, powers and authority including any jurisdiction, power and authority which immediately before the commencement of the Constitution (Thirty-second Amendment) Act, 1973, was exercisable by any court (other than the Supreme Court) or by any tribunal or other authority as may be specified in the order with respect to the following matters, namely: -
(a) appointment, allotment or promotion to such class or classes of posts in any civil service of the State, or to such class or classes of civil posts under the State, or to such class or classes of posts under the control of any local authority within the State, as may be specified in the order;
(b) Seniority of persons appointed, allotted or promoted to such class or classes of posts in any civil service of the State, or to such class or classes of civil posts under the State, or to such class or classes of posts under the control of any local authority within the State, as may be specified in the order;
(c) such other conditions of service of persons appointed, allotted or promoted to such class or classes of posts in any civil service of the State or to such class or classes of civil posts under the State or to such class or classes of posts under the control of any local authority within the State, as may be specified in the order.
(4) An order made under clause (3) may -
(a) authorise the Administrative Tribunal to receive representations for the redress of grievances relating to any matter within its jurisdiction as the President may specify in the order and to make such orders thereon as the Administrative Tribunal deems fit;
(b) contain such provisions with respect to the powers and authorities and procedure of the Administrative Tribunal (including provisions with respect to the powers of the Administrative Tribunal to punish for contempt of itself) as the President may deem necessary;
(c) provide for the transfer to the Administrative Tribunal of such classes of proceedings, being proceedings relating to matters within its jurisdiction and pending before any court (other than the Supreme Court) or tribunal or other authority immediately before the commencement of such order, as may be specified in the order;
(d) contain such supplemental, incidental and consequential provisions (including provisions as to fees and as to limitation, evidence or for the application of any law for the time being in force subject to any exceptions or modifications) as the President may deem necessary.
(5) The order of the Administrative Tribunal finally disposing of any case shall become effective upon its confirmation by the State Government or on the expiry of three months from the date on which the order is made, whichever is earlier:
Provided that the State Government may, by special order made in writing and for reasons to be specified therein, modify or annul any order of the Administrative Tribunal before it becomes effective and in such a case, the order of the Administrative Tribunal shall have effect only in such modified from or be of no effect, as the case may be.
(6) Every special order made by the State Government under the proviso to clause (5) shall be laid, as soon as may be after it is made, before both Houses of the State Legislature.
(7) The High Court for the State shall not have any powers of superintendence over the Administrative Tribunal and no court (other than the Supreme Court) or tribunal shall exercise any jurisdiction, power or authority in respect of any matter subject to the jurisdiction, power or authority of, or, inrelation to the Administrative Tribunal.
(8) If the President is satisfied that the continued existence of the Administrative Tribunal is not necessary, the President may by order abolish the Administrative Tribunal and make such provisions in such order as he may deem fit for the transfer and disposal of cases pending before the Tribunal immediately before such abolition.
(9) Notwithstanding any judgment, decree or order of any court, tribunal or other authority, -
(a) no appointment, posting, promotion or transfer of any person -
(i) made before the 1st day of November, 1956, to any post under the Government of, or any local authority within, the State of Hyderabad as it existed before that date; or
(ii) made before the commencement of the Constitution (Thirty-second Amendment) Act, 1973, to any post under the Government of, or any local or other authority within, the State of Andhra Pradesh; and
(b) no action taken or thing done by or before any person referred to in sub-clause (a), shall be deemed to be illegal or void or ever to have become illegal or void merely on the ground that the appointment, posting, promotion or transfer of such person was not made in accordance with any law, then in force, providing for any requirement as to residence within the State of Hyderabad or, as the case may be, within any part of the State of Andhra Pradesh, in respect of such appointment, posting, promotion or transfer.
(10) The provisions of this article and of any order made by the President thereunder shall have effect notwithstanding anything in any other provision of this Constitution or in any other law for the time being in force.
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Akkada special provisions for AP and for hyd ani vundhi.Congress is doing some dog & pony show anipisthundhi
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There plan is to include only for A maybe since new state will alsobe called AP and T they dont need 2/3 majority emo
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So look at their argument. They want this article kept for 3 years.




It is not possible. Even if they want to keep 371D for Telangana, constitutional amendment is needed. Because in the constitution, in 371D, it is mentioned as the below features will be applicable to "Andhra Pradesh". So, if they want 371D to be applicable to Telangana, then also constitutione needs to be amended to say- ' below features will be applicable to "Andhra Pradesh" and "Telangana". So, to include the word Telangana into the constitution in 371D, again special majority is needed.
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Hyd lo A valaki just 15% quota in jobs and education, manaki ilanti quota akkarledu kaani valaki lekapote super untundi mottam mana A valu in hyd koteyachu jobs
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Ninnati nunchi ade peekuthundi vellu deeniki ela support chesthunnaru ani,
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Yes supreme court kelkunda or 2/3 majority lekunda form cheyali state ani plan
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Ee article remove cheyyali state form kavali ante. For that, 2/3rd majority kavali. T vaadulaki ee thread thelusu. So look at their argument. They want this article kept for 3 years. If it is kept for 3 years and state if formed now, then state division ki 371(d) addu raadhu ani strategy :


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