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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 03:32 pm:       

SM - Ocean, your updates

Me - Ninna adhi chesaa, eeroju kooda adhey chesthaa

SM - Emainaa blockers vunnaayaa ?

Me - Nuvvu pakkaki thappuko, aahaa emi levu


Chiru | Modi | Azhar | Dhoni | Rohit | Federer |Bangalore
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 03:29 pm:       


Sapayiraaja:

iddaru paniki maalina vedavalanu(Scrum master and PO) hire chesukoni


Maaku okkadey panikimaalinodu, that SM, maa PO business user, they are very good, they decide what we have to do
Chiru | Modi | Azhar | Dhoni | Rohit | Federer |Bangalore
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 02:48 pm:       

CMM Level 5 ane evo vundevi ~ 2005-2007 appudu. avi inkaa vunnaya. do people still follow that crap.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 01:50 pm:       

Pure Product companies /engineering teams lo Scrum work avvadu..Kanban vadali..adi kooda evvadu vadaru
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 01:21 pm:       


Enigmatic:

when you are getting ready to interview do you use paid/unpaid mock interviews to see if you are ready? eppudu vadaledu kani pramp telusu inkemanna vadatara




never tried mock interviews, friends had positive reviews about pramp platform...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 01:14 pm:       


Vishvak:

Lol, aim of Scrum is to eliminate management... SM role getting bigger ante dev team is shixtty ani meaning...




mamool brainwashed kaadhu ga...CEO ni kuda eliminate chesey laa unnaru

 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 01:06 pm:       


Biggboss:



when you are getting ready to interview do you use paid/unpaid mock interviews to see if you are ready? eppudu vadaledu kani pramp telusu inkemanna vadatara
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 01:02 pm:       

Lol, aim of Scrum is to eliminate management... SM role getting bigger ante dev team is shixtty ani meaning...
Vi veri universum vivus vici
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 12:59 pm:       


Biggboss:

metta frameworks and rigid roles anni IT side untayi...you don't see them in Big Tech companies...FB/GOOG laanti engineering orgs l


They follow even more aggressive and efficient methods. Don't even try to find them if you don't value Agile :-)

But, if you want to, Google Design sprint. A prototype in 5 days :-D
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 12:45 pm:       


Biggboss:

FB/GOOG laanti engineering orgs lo scrum masters tho 2 days planning, 2 hours retro antey light teesuko ra poola chokka antaru


i wonder if they follow all this sxit at all....
సచ్చిపోతావా...అవినీతి గా బతుకుతావా....ఒక్కటే ఆప్షన్ అంటే...ఆలోచించకుండా సచ్చిపోతా అనే టైపు CBN - OT

Yedaina TDP fans ki society ante concern ekkuva - OT
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 12:43 pm:       

ee metta frameworks and rigid roles anni IT side untayi...you don't see them in Big Tech companies...FB/GOOG laanti engineering orgs lo scrum masters tho 2 days planning, 2 hours retro antey light teesuko ra poola chokka antaru
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 12:37 pm:       

oceanseven uncle is scrum master a mouse moving job
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 12:36 pm:       


Vishvak:

Profile pampu, US lo ne unnai SM roles...


aayane unte mangalodu endhuku ani..TCS vadi daggara undaya SM roles...Visa problems lo irukunna...so ikkada nunchi canada ki laage option unte cheppu annai..lekapothe light..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 12:29 pm:       


Biggboss:

Agile is a micro management framework to make complacent individuals work


Agile is no management framework...

Vi veri universum vivus vici
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 12:27 pm:       

Employees ki accountability leka pothey ney ilanti chetha roles and process ni introduce chestharu companies

Agile is a micro management framework to make complacent individuals work
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 12:22 pm:       


Ferrari:

inthala react ayinav ante Infy vaadu ninnu Agile Project Manager role lo nookesada...Canada lo emaina PM role ki SM role ki opening unte cheppu bhayya..WITCH nunchi inko WITCH ki jump kodtha..


Youu smart boy pranav...

Profile pampu, US lo ne unnai SM roles...

Vi veri universum vivus vici
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 12:06 pm:       

weekly review meeting, need based meetings any day, monthly or quarterly deployments.... all happies....
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 11:55 am:       

Agile wow lo meetings ekkuve. But it's for the benefit of business. Waterfall lo la 6 months ki Oka sari release chese product ela untundo kuda telikunda koorchovadam ipudu kudaradu. More often people are looking for a POC, Prototype, MVP.

If the Dev team is smart, all it matters for a PO or SM is sprint review meeting. All other meetings including grooming, daily and retro is to understand problems of Dev team and help them. If someone doesn't see that way, they might be doing things in agile but they are not agile.
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 11:51 am:       


Ferrari:

inthala react ayinav ante Infy vaadu ninnu Agile Project Manager role lo nookesada




CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 11:42 am:       


Vishvak:

Agree with this point... Dev team gaadidhalu type lo unte SM gaadidala kaapari laa end avuthadu...

Smarter the dev team, lesser the role of SM


inthala react ayinav ante Infy vaadu ninnu Agile Project Manager role lo nookesada...Canada lo emaina PM role ki SM role ki opening unte cheppu bhayya..WITCH nunchi inko WITCH ki jump kodtha..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 11:38 am:       

As someone mentioned, this is more of a micro-management than anything else to pindify the workers
CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 11:08 am:       


Sapayiraaja:

mese gaadidalanu saava dnkadam


Agree with this point... Dev team gaadidhalu type lo unte SM gaadidala kaapari laa end avuthadu...

Smarter the dev team, lesser the role of SM

Vi veri universum vivus vici
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 11:08 am:       

@enig enjoy know..u technically have no code deliverables and mostly spikes...
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 11:07 am:       

based on what u guys said, lot of anti-patterns cud be identified..go and talk to RTE often and highlight how u can address these anti-patterns (what ever u identified) ..if ur RTE is ex-PM desi guy, good luck with that..
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 11:06 am:       


Sapayiraaja:

Agile/safe anedi jaaga bokka ani entha mandi feel avutunnaru.


parugetti milk drinking kanna standing water drinking ade waterfall better ani ka hu
సచ్చిపోతావా...అవినీతి గా బతుకుతావా....ఒక్కటే ఆప్షన్ అంటే...ఆలోచించకుండా సచ్చిపోతా అనే టైపు CBN - OT

Yedaina TDP fans ki society ante concern ekkuva - OT
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 11:05 am:       

SAFe lo chese vallu, anti-patterns study cheyyandi

SM anti-patterns/PO anti-patterns/Team anti-patterns ivi study chesi
team lo highlight cheyyandi, we r following this anti-pattern and we need to change this ani.also record this as tracking item
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 11:02 am:       

Poli bro,

Why wud u constantly have blockers? Once in a while kadaa?

Initial team building lo hiccups vunna, velocity takkuva vuntadi ani expected! Oka 1-2 PIs tarvatga, it should slowly become a High performing team, getting good velocity! Evaranna under performers vunte, problematic ga vunna, 1/2 PIs lo change avvaii or replace avvali!

If its not getting better, seriously wrong with how ur team is operating
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:59 am:       

Yearly exams ki alavatu padi, sudden gaa semester mode loki velthe ela vuntadoo, idi anthe!

Semesters lo every month edo oka exam antadu! 2 internals / practicals n finals, backlogs vunte bonus lekkaaa! Nithya kalynam, pacha thoranam!

Annual exams lo eppudoo 2-3 months ki oka internal exam, year lo oka sari backlog exam, life chala sukham va vuntadi!!

Mee feeings anni semester mode loki vellaka anubhavinchinave! Tarvatha alavatu ipoyindi!
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:49 am:       


Saint:

Daily standup 10* 15 mins - 2:30 hours in a sprint




Our daily standup is Standup+Sitdown and in Sit down we work on blockers and this can go upto an hour! So, our SAFE is very UnSAFE for health!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:35 am:       


Saint:

Ur productivity is calculated at 6 hours per day




5 hours in our case...but these many meetings killing the tempo...you are seriously troubleshooting something and you have 2 meetings back to back RESETTING everything and we are loosing the tempo!!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:34 am:       

shit scared of this stuff.... all these years... all happies... but job maarithe thappetattu ledhu... getting ready to get into the wild.... but will be picky..
6093
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:27 am:       


Saint:



vichitramaina team lo padesadu nannu maa mgr. previously was in java/aws teams. ippudu kadu more into itsm product & integration.
tokkalo designs chestunna . max analysis documentation and rojanta meetings
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:26 am:       

Emc raise this as an issue in retro meeting and debate on it!
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:26 am:       


Saint:

By definition endi? Thats how it shud be run




reality vs definition, some people don't understand that, monna ma SM ki chepthe now she is trying to follow that 15 min rule strictly.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:25 am:       

SAFe lo oka sprint Innovation ki ivvali! U shud use to learn new stuff during that
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:24 am:       


~chirutha~:

That's the job of a good SM no? Time keeping.




emo saar, SM ki undali control cheyadam, they don't understand that
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:23 am:       

Poli

Unplanned work cheyyamani adigithe, u shud ask them to create a story for that! And move ur working to backlog and pickup the new story as thats ur priority per PO! Ideally, if its happening now and then, it will be seen as very bad practice by Ur mgmt and PO / SM will get bad feedback
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:21 am:       

Poli bro

Ur productivity is calculated at 6 hours per day! Ee overhead 2 hours per day! Sprint ki 20 hours(holidays vasthe u adjust accordingly)

PI planning memu 2 days (per quarter) chesam! Ofcourse it depends on the over all train size!

4 days is too much!

Pre-backlog enduku?

Daily standup 10* 15 mins - 2:30 hours in a sprint
Backlog grooming - 8 hours per sprint
System demo - 30mins - 1 hour per Sprint
Retro - 30 mins per Sprint
Scrum of Scrums -1 hour per week(only for SMs)

Idantha kalipina 12-13 hours per Sprint kante ekkuva raadu!
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:20 am:       


Emc2:

enni sarlu cheppina kontha mandi yedavalu they will try to debug issues during the standup


That's the job of a good SM no? Time keeping.

Enigmatic:

intaki safe(Scaled Agile FrameworkÃé®
) ki mamulu agile ki teda enti. naaku rendu same anipistondi.


Rendu same ee. Agile is local to a team. When you apply the same to a full org, it's scaled agile.
Be Kool
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:16 am:       

Also, minimum 1 release each Sprint with some urgent BAU manual releases in between! Pichhi maakyode galla ki inni meetings killing the flow ante artham chesukoru and I am seriously contemplating to jump! Actual gaa work too good but this SAFE and TEAM culture making life miserable!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:16 am:       

Emc

By definition endi? Thats how it shud be run! If anyone is not doing it, u shud tell them on their face!

Edo L1/ B1 meeda vachina vallu ante emanna calm ga vundali, leka pothe back ki pamputharu anukunatru kaani, nee laanti vallu asaala taggakudadu!!! U need to give feedback to ur scrum master! This is not the way u run Agile teams ani class peeku!

We had big fights with SM initially, then he had to change his ways! Team is the final decision maker, not the SM.

Enig,

Chala easy! Story ni subtasks lekka brk down cheyyi! Per task 6-8 hours max! Okko roju okkoti closing cheyyi! Nee imagination vadalsindi eede!
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:13 am:       


Sapayiraaja:




1) PI every 10 weeks and 4 days of planning
2) Each Sprint 2 weeks
3) Each Sprint daily Standups and Sit Downs to discuss blockers
4) 1 Pre Backlog meeting
5) 1 Backlog refinement meeting
6) 1 Sprint Retro
7) 1 Global TDA (Specific to our group nothing to do with SAFE)
8) 1 Local TDA (Specific to our group nothing to do with SAFE)
9) 1 Sprint Demo
10) At least 2-3 other meetings every Sprint

Now in this whole episode they expect deliverables are NOT impacted! xLavada lo SAFE very stressful and spoils health!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:07 am:       


Saint:

what did you complete yesterday?
what are you planning to do today?
any impediments?




by definition bavuntayi ilantivi, naaku opika ledu
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:04 am:       


Saint:

what did you complete yesterday?
what are you planning to do today?



ittanti tough personal questions roju ela answer cheyyali
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 10:01 am:       

@Emc u need to put a stop! any team member can object!

Standup is for

what did you complete yesterday?
what are you planning to do today?
any impediments?

Impediments vunte, what is it, when will be resolved, any help needed to escalate from SM.. thats it..
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:57 am:       


Saint:

daily standup 15 mins minci vundadu...




evadu cheppadu saamy, enni sarlu cheppina kontha mandi yedavalu they will try to debug issues during the standup

scrum methodology is good as long as people respects the methodology not to show their talent.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:54 am:       

@Sapay saava d ante ela?

daily standup 15 mins minci vundadu...
nee story decided/scope - points identified/external dependencies identified/ inka scrum master ki panenti? only system demo lo PO ok anali. every day enduku meeting?

edanna blockers/issues etc vunte ok kaani, leka pothe SM ki bindaas enjoy role
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:52 am:       

Problem is not with these methodologies but with ppl!

PI Planning general ga quarter ki 2 days (free food incl breakfast)
You identify external team dependencies / get a solution architecture/choose what to work in this PI/etc

I kinda enjoyed it ...


backlog grooming - weekly 3-4 hours max, you got to understand the story/design/F(NF)requirements and agree on story points, update definition of done

Retro - 30-45 mins based on team size

Daily standup - 15 mins

Scrum of Scrums or agile sync - 30 mins to 1 hour per week (only Scrum masters/soln architects/PO/PM)


if u r feeling torture that means, somebody is bull dozing u....ideally Agile/SAFe annitlo team edi chepthe adhe...Scrum Master shud be facilitator.. but past PM experience vachesi sava d'tha vunte, you may not like it..
All is WELL!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:52 am:       

safe ante eti? chex ki mundu condom vesukunnatlu coding ki mundu codom esukovatama???
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:30 am:       

iddaru paniki maalina vedavalanu(Scrum master and PO) hire chesukoni, pani chese vallanu saava denkadam tappa emi ledu.

Kuse gaadidalu(Scrum master and PO) vachi mese gaadidalanu saava dnkadam ante ide.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:29 am:       

Safe is scrum scaled to organization instead of one or few team..
Portifolio management and release trains are effectively managed in safe as the complete org works on a set of PI deliverables

I like agile
Warerfall is clueless
But PI sessions are boring..maaku 3-4 days untayi continuous ga they used to spend lot of money it until people started working from home
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:29 am:       


Enigmatic:

retro ani ganta dobbutaru. akkadiki edo manishini mars ki pampinattu. chese laddulo lo paniki avasarama




deentlo malli okokkadu valla talent chupinchukovadaniki gantalu gantalu sollu strategies explainc chesthu, mee mohal manda every week improvement emi chestharu ra, meeru kottaga invent chesedi emundi ante malli same sodi

but we don't have choice, go with the flow. anni teams ippudu alane edchayi.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:26 am:       


Emc2:



retro ani ganta dobbutaru. akkadiki edo manishini mars ki pampinattu. chese laddulo lo paniki avasarama
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:24 am:       

gantalu gantalu meetings for story grooming, kurchuni kurchuni pichi lesthundi

nuvvu meetings lo matladatledu ni ma manger class peekindi, gantalu gantalu emi matlada li, na valla kaadu, inka pani bongu leda ani cheppa,she agreed.

nenu lite teesukuntunna let them do what ever they like
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:23 am:       

intaki safe(Scaled Agile Framework®
) ki mamulu agile ki teda enti. naaku rendu same anipistondi.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2021 - 09:20 am:       

endi saami ee sodi meetings.chiraku dnktundi ee PI sessions ante. elaara ayya vi.
Agile/safe anedi jaaga bokka ani entha mandi feel avutunnaru.

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