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Parthasaradhi Comedian Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 1121 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.20.253 Rating: N/A |
good info bro. Abhimanyudi ki great worrior e kaaani aa skills ki taggattu mundu venaka choosukone antha opika ledu. 15th(?) day lo karnudu chelaregi pothunte arjunudu choosi koodaa time kaaadu ani cheppi side avutaaadu. That is very much required. Pratee saari mundukee povaali ane mentality correct kaadu anukuntunnaa. Bheesmudu karnudini artha radhunni cheyyataaaniki reason -- his absentmindedness Fighting skills tho paatu personal skills define the range. A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance --- Hunter S. Thompson | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4091 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
food for thought | ||
Elcaminocapastrino Megastar Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 20526 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.100.28.147 Rating: N/A |
i see wat ur saying...makes sense.... | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4059 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
elcamino mama, its about Knowledge and documentation which we lack mostly. every generation is having its won way of technologies and if we dont know the exact education or interpretation, its easyli becomes mockery. for eg. lets me unlearn my physics sometime and try to analysie how a telephone button call made from india just by punching some numbers, get carried and exactly lands on the phone in the hands of a person drinking a scotch under a alps mountain terrain. if no one explains me the electromagnetic waves etc stuff and simple say I caled him, it reached him exactly, he listened to my words which are uttered by me from 5000 miles away.... endhi idhi BURRA kadha, Pitta KADHa anukunta. thanksfully we know physics and so we are believing with conviction that a whisper made from 5000 miles is exactly heard to ur choice person at a hit of a punching 10 numbers blah blah... since our hindu dharmika was destroyed, our temples were down, our king palaces were made HAREMS of the moglais etc.. we lost lot of literature ,tradition and thus the well documented granthas etc... | ||
Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 2003 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
nice thread bhayya..thanks for the info Congress, the worst thing ever to happen to Bharat | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4054 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
I watch a Mongol movie. its name is MONGOL anukunta netflix lo. it also shows some kind of attackings. | ||
Khaleja Junior Artist Username: Khaleja Post Number: 163 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 169.143.0.103 Rating: N/A |
oka chinese movie chosa...similar concept tho untadi..motham chodaledu cinema..fight koda koncheme chosa. | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4051 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
yha sometimes it really amazes when we see into OLD while we are staying in advanced. i see tajmahal vedio and always i wonder, there was no formal engg or chemists or civils , how they architected that tajmahal to its perfect, the stone selection, its cutting, its lifting up ,its bulding, the symmetry etc anthe, old egypts, hanging gardends of bablyon... we really doonnno in detai. Leaning tower of Pisa also, it should fall actually, why its falling few inches ..i wonder | ||
Elcaminocapastrino Megastar Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 20525 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.100.28.147 Rating: N/A |
i mean its get complicated when u have all these advanced weapons with so much scope for destruction n magic going all around and then suddenly ur introduced to this stoneage method of war..thts where i get confused....it would be really interesting to see how exactly the war was fought with bows n arrows by two warriors like arjun n karna....how far the chariots have to stay away from each other...stuff like that... but ok... | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4047 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
sasthras /Astra diff. All are SAsthraas. if its charged with super power its called ASTRA.(like brahmastra). regarding scinetific application, I am having limited access or null knowledge as I did not find books, etc to read those. how they r documented etc... but just like our N bombs,icbm ballistic missliles, similar things on its own form would have existed in those days. | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4046 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
it is said there was a solar eclipse on that day and its not a fake created by krishna. just krishna knew it and others were too busy in war time to pay attention those days(18). now coming to banams, its like different ages lo diff weapons undevi. u see, ghori.ghazni time lo, devarayala time lo mostly armous were long knifes, daggers, ballems etc... it changes from time to time based on scientific knowledge available at that time. in 22th century, folks would be wondering why amrika need to go to japan and then release the BOMB via air, in 22th century this could be done by placing in an under ocean and just click of button, it can go and land and explode. so it depends on varous technical advances in thier times. | ||
Elcaminocapastrino Megastar Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 20524 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.100.28.147 Rating: N/A |
cool....i remember this...this is when krishna does magic n creates an anbience of fake sunset....gets that guy out n then gets him killed but when it comes to war or fight with bows n arrows....i mean how do they used to do it....just like they show in movies by parking their chariots at a distance from each other throwing arrows over each other??? or its more in ur face battle like they show in lord of the rings??? i can never figure out how arjuna n karna wouls fight with each other with bows n arrows ...dheeni gurinchi emanna chepthara manahabharath lo like in graphic detail...their positions n stuff.... and another q is about the usage of ashtras...pashupathasram...brahmasthram.... wat makes one able to use them??? are they just like nuclear war heads with a code associated which the warrior has to mouth out??? I mean baanam pattukuni manthram chadhuvutharu chudu aa type....or is it like a device which only they know how to operate??? | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4044 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
yes even lord krishna says, its beautiful to watch the scene between Duryodhan and bheema. Duryodhan has slight edge in GADHA yuddha over Bheema always. he is too perfect. but as they say,there is a difference in FIGHT and WAR. until BHEESHMA aegis all was under going well under rules. slowly start flouting and 13th day entirely flouted and from 14th day, its flouted to kill drona, karna,duryodhana as its already into bitter war. They killed unharmed persons and they too got same treatment. coming to another q, on 14th day also this Vyuha was formed to protect Jaydrath (he is the husband of one and only 1 sister DUSSHALA ). but since ARJUNA anyway knew it to enter in. this was done only to POSTPONE his entry and make himlate as he has a target to kill JAYDRATH to kill the SAME DAY before sunset or arjuna himself will set on PYRE himself | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1902 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 130.94.129.2 Rating: N/A |
abhimanyu died towards the end of the day and there is no continuation of hostilities after sundown In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1901 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 130.94.129.2 Rating: N/A |
firstly usage of weapons which cause mass destruction is illegal in Mahabharata that is why none of the warriors used it even though many of them knew about the usage of it and more over some of these weapons are supposed to be so powerful yet precise that you just had to cast the weapon at your target and it would destroy it and leave everything else intact. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Elcaminocapastrino Megastar Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 20522 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.100.28.147 Rating: N/A |
But dont u think like they have all these rules if followed perfectly would have resulted in a great war i mean greater than the existing literature...and one guy breaks it(u said karna) and all hell breaks loose...i mean wat an anti climax it is to see two great warriors like bheemudu n dhuryodhanudu fighting like hell and suddenly with one blow to thighs bheem cheats n wins the fight...but rather if the fight went on for ever with a more explosive finale would have been great.... coming to topic...wat happened to padmavyuha after abhimanyus death??? why cant they regroup themselves to form it again?? stars kurroda kaastha rest theesko..... | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4043 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
yes, hardly Pandavas has any kingdom or country. AAn/Shaan/Rajya is with Kurus. but Kuru has bitter rivarlry over pandavas and its just they want to teach each other a lesson by defeating them and show thier power. anthe. in that procees war proceeds and u hardly see any top management casualties until the 13th day. It was this 13th Day Vyuha which changed the entire battle course of action. and Arjuna till then was always little bit hazy and lazy to use counter others, goes charging after the 13th day chasing down opponent and starts killing 1 by 1 (the top board guys) | ||
Elcaminocapastrino Megastar Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 20521 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.100.28.147 Rating: |
thambi so ur saying just to follow the protocol on the usage of weapons of mass destruction they chose not to use them....makes sense.... america tried many times to asassinate ladan using satellite technology to track n destroy....bombim of sudan pharma factory was one of such events...u cant track caves in tora bora with satellites n stuff so they had to find him by foot annattu | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4040 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
ELcamino: best analogy is think , Vietnam as the Padmavyuha of amrika. they boasted too much of themselves, entered it and rest you know its history. they could not counter it, they were circled and chopped off. after that only air-riads mostly on (carpet bombing) on gulf,tora-bora,iraq etc.. air raids chesina ini chesina, ladeeen kurrod dorkuthaledu  | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4039 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
War is about to show who is mightier than whom (pandavas or kauravas). If killing is Only then DAY 1, BHEESHMA would have used the Bramasthra and the end of WAR will take place. The Number of Foot soldiers is mentioned in AKshaunis', so its into LAKHS of them. Abhimanyu as a last resort tried to entirely Eliminate(destruct) the Formation (since he dont know safe way) at this moment, kauravas thought he is too pricey if they spare him, so they kill him. Yah, ur right many countries are spending thousands crores for war strategies etc. just drop a small nuke from air, enemy is routed. thats it. | ||
Elcaminocapastrino Megastar Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 20517 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.100.28.147 Rating: |
concept adhirindhi....but y someone cant attack from air ??? or use their ashtras in a way it hits the center of padmam n disturb its equilibrium....or is it illegal to use weapons like that | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4038 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
that too enduku ante, freshness soldiers ostharu everytime. also, they wear SAME DRESS (RED) to confuse you. You do not know which is the route in proper. since its a SPhiral rotation, u really do not know, which is starting and ending.. what its leading to, opening or further deep. Goat ni petti, Tiger ni Lure cheskuntunte lopalki teesko povatame.. analogy | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4036 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
annai Laxmana ni chamapkoodadu ani Vow undhi anta. it seems he broken his own vow | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4035 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
forward and rotatory in Offence (to capture). roratory and fixed in DEFENSE (to save Jaydratha on 14th day). it was not moving forward , | ||
Stig Side Hero Username: Stig Post Number: 3721 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 74.105.123.107 Rating: N/A |
Tana Chuttu taanu tirugutooo ... munuduku kadultundani kavi bhaavam !!
Great post annai !!------------- Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly !! | ||
Elcaminocapastrino Megastar Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 20514 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.100.28.147 Rating: N/A |
labou thambi so the formation always movies in a rotatory motion or it has any forward motion too? | ||
Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 13309 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Great info annai!! I have no special talents- I am only passionately curious- Einstein | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1900 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 130.94.129.2 Rating: N/A |
I don't think this is correct though he killed lakshmana who blocked him and scores of other warriors including shalya's son. He killed Ashmaka’s son, Shalya's younger brother, Shalya’s son Rukmaratha, Drighalochana, Kundavedhi, Sushena, Vasatiya, Kratha and numerous other great warriors(quote from wiki). He defeated all other warriors in single combat and that is why the realized they cannot fight with him in single combat and attacked him at once and then unjustly attacking from behind, disarming him and finally killing him when he was unharmed. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 4004 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
pact was from pandavas side, mama. already Uncles are engaged at war and this pact was given to pandavas(yuva) not to kill Yuva Kauravas. | ||
Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 7925 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@basky thanks mama...good points did not know the pact about sons killing sons...any reasons why this pact was made other than to protect lineage? I mean once they enter battle field why are they immune to death? | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 3999 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
bump for day dbers | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 3996 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
its like a chakra rotating wheel, but acts like a lotus like a petals open,closing to trap the bee. also red color of soldiers add as if a big lotus formation is formed | ||
Subzero Side Hero Username: Subzero Post Number: 4238 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 59.93.71.239 Rating: N/A |
chakravyuha or padma vyuha ??  | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 3994 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
Lifted here and there from Net, could have severe typos,illformed sentences.sorry . One of my areas of interest has been the Chakravyuha formation used by Dronacharya to kill Abhimanyu. I have often wondered what the formation actually looked like, and why was it so difficult to breach? I have been trying to uncover the answers to some of my questions through some internet research. As with any epic that has been handed down through countless generations, the anecdotes from Mahabharata have been interpreted and presented in various ways by various people. Since I have encountered various interpretations of the Chakravyuha incident as well, I have tried to stitch together a theory that satisfies most of them. Why was the Chakravyuha so difficult to breach? The most plausible explanation I have encountered is as follows:- The word Chakravyuha is made up of Chakra meaning circle or ring and Vyuha meaning formation. The Chakravyuh is a formation consisting of 7 concentric circles of warriors rotating in unison[5]. It was specially difficult to penetrate since the attacker is not able to focus on a still target in front as the targets keep changing with the rotation of the Chakras. Even if an attacker can penetrate one ring and get inside the Chakravyuha, the rotating nature of the vyuha makes sure that the ring he has penetrated closes behind him. As a result, the attacker is trapped within the Chakravyuha. How did Abhimanyu come to know about the way to break the Chakravyuha? It is well known that Abhimanyu learnt the method to enter the Chakravyuha while he was inside his mother's womb. But there is some confusion on who actually mentioned the method to Abhimanyu's mother Subhadra. While most versions mention that it was Arjun who was explaining the method to Subhadra, some versions mention that he heard the method from Krishna [6]. But the thing that is consistent across versions is that Subhadra fell asleep midway and hence Abhimanyu could not listen to the way one could exit from the Chakravyuha. Now to the major question. What exactly was the technique for breaking into the Chakravyuha? Here are some of the inferences I have drawn based on my research. The rotating Chakravyuha consisted of warriors of various caliber. The Other Pandavas were not able to breach it because of 2 reasons. 1. They attacked the stronger warriors in the ring and were repelled. 2. As soon as they started to get an upper hand on one warrior, the ring rotated and another Kaurava warrior confronted them. Abhimanyu overcame this by attacking the warriors to the left and right of him, and not the ones directly in front. [2] . As the ring rotated, the gap he had created to his left or right came in front of him and he penetrated with Chakravyuha. He repeated the same for all the rings. Another version of the story states that Arjuna had mentioned the "right time to enter" and the "right words to enter" the Chakravyuha to Abhimanyu [4]. This seems to indicate that there was some sort of key to the jigsaw puzzle using which Abhimanyu broke through the maze. The key perhaps indicated the weak points in the formation, which should be attacked in order to break through them. As he broke through each ring, Abhimanyu defeated one great Kaurava warrior after another. He trounced Jayadratha, Dronacharya, Karna and Aswathama in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th rings respectively[5]. It was after he had penetrated 6 rings did all Kaurava warriors join hands to attack him in unison, that resulted in his demise. But there are some more questions that I am yet to find answers too. Like why could Abhimanyu not apply the same method that he used to enter the Chankravyuha, to exit from it as well? What was the difference in the method between entering and exiting the Chakravuyuha? Perhaps Kaurava’s joint attack into him could be the reason, as he didn’t even get a chance to apply the same logic of entering the Chakravyuha, in getting out of it. But this is just a guess from my side. Let me add some more detail to the events. As Pandavas were gaining the upper hand in the battle, Duryodhan accused Dronacharya of being soft on the Pandavas and not making good enough plans to defeat them. So, Dronacharya decided to create the Chakravyuha formation to capture Yudhishthira. Drona knew that only Arjun in the Pandava ranks knew how to enter and escape from the formation. Hence a group of warriors called Samsaptakas were asked to draw Arjun to a far corner of the battlefield so that he could not attack the Charkavyuha. As the rotating Chakravyuha began to churn through the battlefield, large numbers of the Pandava army began to get slaughtered. Pandavas sans Arjun needed to stop the formation somehow as it would otherwise have caused irreparable carnage amongst their forces. In the absence of Arjun, only Abhimanyu knew how to enter the Chakravyuha. Hence he was asked to enter it. But since he did not know how to break out of it, other Pandavas promised to follow closely behind him, so that the opening does not close behind him. But after Abhimanyu penetrated into the formation, Jayadratha blocked the way for other Pandavas and they could not support him from behind. Why did Abhimanyu not teach the way to enter the Chakravyuha to the other Pandavas? Well, I have not encountered the answer to this question yet. But my guess is that the Pandavas might not have expected Dronacharya to use the Charyavyuha formation in the battle and hence might not have discussed the way to enter and exit from it amongst themselves. And when they saw the formation in the middle of the battlefield, Abhimanyu did not have enough time to explain the method of entering it to the others. Think about the Chakra vyuha not as a circle, but a spiral. Warriors keep rotating and trap the other side, like sucking through the spiral and killing. So the entry point is specfic at the tunnel end which should be detected and Abhimanyu first entered and ended up in the center. Once inside the spiral the warrior ends up fighting army on 2 sides and he will not know which way is going towards center or which was is the exit. If you know the direction of the spiral and keep your eye on the sun, then a rough direction is known. But if the spiral moves then you lose track. That is why Abhimanyu knew how to enter and not to exit. Lifted here and there from Net, could have severe typos,illformed sentences.sorry . | ||
Hail_the_labour Side Hero Username: Hail_the_labour Post Number: 3993 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: |
I was reading Mahabharatha related articles on Net and found some info on the Chakravyuha: Will post the details in next one. Summary: Its a red lotus formation (PADMA) becoause ,Every Army SOldier wears a RED dress on that PADMYA/CHAKRA Vyuha formation. This is to to confuse the enemy. The CHakryaVyuh moves forwards also it rotates at its designated strategy. Foot,Horses,Elephant,charioteers etc all form part of the Chakravyuha and the weakest link has to be sought to break in. otherwise the rotation will keep the enemy under stress. Do not know exactly the way to headin but something its related to attacking the Left and Right of the weakest link, so that the Gap will allow him in. WHen to use: This formation has enormous strength when used without breach. if its breached or formed when enemy knows to break it then the Chakravyuha will fail miserably and it will lead severe destruction. WHat went wrong at Abhimanyu side: Perhaps 2 reasons, 1) Abhimanyu only defeats and proceeds inner but he should have killed and proceed (since he does not know the EXIT, he should have killed the blocker). 2) ABhimanyu kills DURYoDHANA son (Laxmana inside Vyuha) and its a Vow-Broken. pandava sons should not kill kaurava sons that was the vow and its broken, vow breaking brought catastrophic doom result onto ABhimanyu side. 14th day : After the 13 day bloodbath, DRONA another times uses the CHAKRAVYUHA(PADMA) this time to PROTECT JAYDRATH. He forms not 1, not 2 but a Mammoth 3 formations. Outside CART, inside CHAKRA, deepinside Suuchimukha to protect Jaydrath. |
