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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 06:36 pm:       


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Kaadu annai, monna Mayabazar choodagaane veddhaam anukunna- kaani appudu DB active ga ledhu- ee roju malli Sri Krishnapandaveeyam choodagaane gurthocchindi!! Elaagu DB lo andharu undi thega kottukuntunnaaru kada ani vesaa!!



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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 04:41 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

kish tammi intaki thread enduku yesinav inta vedi environment la, diversion?



Kaadu annai, monna Mayabazar choodagaane veddhaam anukunna- kaani appudu DB active ga ledhu- ee roju malli Sri Krishnapandaveeyam choodagaane gurthocchindi!! Elaagu DB lo andharu undi thega kottukuntunnaaru kada ani vesaa!! :D
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 04:38 pm:       

kish tammi intaki thread enduku yesinav inta vedi environment la, diversion?
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:57 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:




Yha its considered the BEST of all vyuhams. there are various other types of Vyuhas.

I will tell briefly about other vyuhas
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:56 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:

Asalu ee Vyuham strategy matuku kathhi kadaa.. vollu jaladaristundi ee fight talsukunt


i think modern armies also use something similar called Envelope and hold but it is a great idea
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:54 pm:       

Asalu ee Vyuham strategy matuku kathhi kadaa.. vollu jaladaristundi ee fight talsukunte..
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:54 pm:       


Hail_the_labour:

after 6 layers, KAURAVAS ENCIRCLE HIM TOTALLY. PADMYA VYUHAM akkade stop ayipoyindhi (ceased to exist).


rest of the layers are still intact after he broke through them and moved in to the next layer so the vyuham is still intact with him trapped in the middle and fighting all the mighty warriors of the kuru army single handedly and defeats all of them and so they have to eliminate him or he will start destroying the vyuham from inside
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:49 pm:       

after 6 layers, KAURAVAS ENCIRCLE HIM TOTALLY. PADMYA VYUHAM akkade stop ayipoyindhi (ceased to exist).

inka MANY-1 fight migilindhi. ABHI can take all at a time but KARNA breaks his bows from BACK. thats it
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:48 pm:       


Humpty_dumpty:

Sir, I am not contesting anything.
Screenplay antay kallaki kattinattu cheppatam as though we are present there. I rest my case




HD,

No issues...happy to see that you have not jumped in with an agenda..

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:47 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:


venky mama, EXIT telisthe defn ga ellipothadu as he can the WEAKEST exit route.

and since KARNA etc warriors will not chase him because, PADMYA VYUHA is fixed formation no one will change places (unless re-fill).

so 6 layers daatagane, all kaurawas gangup and from that time its no more a

PADMA VYUHA strategy its a brutal fight many-1 thats it.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:47 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:

Mama.. saagaadeestunnaa anukoku..

So lets assume abhi knows the exit.. Do you think he woudl have come out?


most definitely but that would mean he would have come out of the inner most circle after fighting all of the warriors and then has to retreat
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:45 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:

So lets assume abhi knows the exit.. Do you think he woudl have come out?




YES defn.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:44 pm:       


Kish:


KAURAVUDU ayuntadu:d
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:44 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

no he does not know how to get out and is expecting the rest of the pandava army to enter behind him and completely cover his flanks and destroy the formation so that it cannot rejoin or repair but that does not happen due to jayadrata and so abhimanyu just keeps breaking the formation and enters the innermost and trapped fighting the best of the kuru army there


Mama.. saagaadeestunnaa anukoku..

So lets assume abhi knows the exit.. Do you think he woudl have come out?
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:44 pm:       

Evado howle gaadu Basky prathi post ki single vesthunnaadu pagal gaadu!!


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@Rajusk

Sir, I am not contesting anything.
Screenplay antay kallaki kattinattu cheppatam as though we are present there. I rest my case
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:42 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:

its just that he gets caught in the epicenter.. anthe kadaa..




Both mean the same: he cannot exit as he dunno the route. he gets trapped inside but take on 1-1.

but all fall on him at a pounce. he cannot win many-1
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:40 pm:       

@basky

i vaguely remember some mahabharat episodes but some things like padmavyuha, killing of karna, keechaka, duryodhana etc alaa mudra padipoyaayi
so trying to understand what are the acts and events that lead to consequences
nee memory power ROCKS!

and thanks to chopra brothers for those lasting images - rajusk bro, note this point {read like chiru from chantabbai } :-)
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:40 pm:       


Humpty_dumpty:

Screenplay is also an art and I think we have the Lara and Tendulkar of them in Valmiki and Veda Vyaas




Same Vyaasuni father is Sage Parasara..who is the father of Hindu Astrology..ayana cheppina logics matram ivvaltiki workout avuthunnai..

Father raasindi science(as accepted by UGC)...son raasindi Fiction novel etla avuthundi ..motham family antha novelists antaru
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:40 pm:       


Humpty_dumpty:


Humpty annai, not this time, Iam in deep job search


later manchi threads discuss cheddam exclusivly on WAR STRATEGY.

I studied many WARS thru various books.sources and know the scenarios how it changed the results.

not now in future, be it MAHABHARATHA or GHAZINI/GHORY/BABUR others etc etc..

defn u will LOVE such stories(facts)
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:40 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:

Ohhkkk.. So abhi's death ki reason is not that he doesnt know how to exit the vyuham.. its just that he gets caught in the epicenter.. anthe kadaa..


no he does not know how to get out and is expecting the rest of the pandava army to enter behind him and completely cover his flanks and destroy the formation so that it cannot rejoin or repair but that does not happen due to jayadrata and so abhimanyu just keeps breaking the formation and enters the innermost and trapped fighting the best of the kuru army there
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:38 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:

This is my point on why abhi has to know exit? Just enter avuthaane breaking chesthaa pothadu kadaa.. once inside, he can easily exit as there vyuham is already broken..

But nee prev post lo koddigaa ardham ayyindi.. may be critical link break chesinaa, mallee aa link with other soldiers tho form cheshi untaru.. koddigaa artham ayyi avanattundi


formation can repair itself by the remaining people so refer to my prevous post
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:37 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

so in order to prevent the formation from progressing somebody has to break it and destroy the formation and abhimanyu does break through all the layers and gets trapped in the middle where he is killed


Ohhkkk.. So abhi's death ki reason is not that he doesnt know how to exit the vyuham.. its just that he gets caught in the epicenter.. anthe kadaa..
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:37 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:


venky mama, PADMA VYUHA is a war strategy.

raju gari gurram ni thanthe, raaju garini thanni natte kadhaa....


u put a challenge and pandavas comes in and exits out... anthe MORAL ga pandava ekkuva annate kadha,,, its all war strategy....

Oka sari break aithe, baccha gaalu koooda vocchi pothuntaru...

Becoz EKKADA strong or WEAK anedi telisipothadi. ATTA KAKUNDA wrong reformation chesthe, adhi LOTUS avvadu appudu, it becomes other VYUHA.

adhi annattu iiistory
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:36 pm:       


Kish:

nko doubt- okanoka sandarbham lo Krishna ki kopam vacchi kopam lo Bheeshmudini champataaniki vasthaadu- Bheeshma who has a varam to die whenever he wants- happily accepts to die in hands of Krishna kaani Arjun aaputhaadu- ee situation meedha konchem light veyandi- Krishnudiki enduku Bheeshma meedha antha kopam vasthadi?




bheeshmudu ugra rupam lo total damage to army as well as injured arjuna this prompts krishna to pick up arms saying if arjuna cannot kill him he will do it
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:35 pm:       


Maverick:

this looks pretty easy..just travel back in oppp direction ante kada..




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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:35 pm:       

@Rajusk

annai, I am pretty sure the writers wud have researched and created such scenes reading stuff like mahabharatha. Screenplay is also an art and I think we have the Lara and Tendulkar of them in Valmiki and Veda Vyaas
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:33 pm:       


Maverick:


mav, adedo JIG image type/shape chooopidaniki.

donot scale it yaar:d
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:33 pm:       

Sorry had to step out- ippude anni posts chadivaanu- thanks a lot for all the additional details- Basky, Okahyd, Humdum etc- you guys rock!!

Inko doubt- okanoka sandarbham lo Krishna ki kopam vacchi kopam lo Bheeshmudini champataaniki vasthaadu- Bheeshma who has a varam to die whenever he wants- happily accepts to die in hands of Krishna kaani Arjun aaputhaadu- ee situation meedha konchem light veyandi- Krishnudiki enduku Bheeshma meedha antha kopam vasthadi?
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:32 pm:       


Hail_the_labour:

inside ninchi break atta chesthadu. outside ninchi jeyyale


This is my point on why abhi has to know exit? Just enter avuthaane breaking chesthaa pothadu kadaa.. once inside, he can easily exit as there vyuham is already broken..

But nee prev post lo koddigaa ardham ayyindi.. may be critical link break chesinaa, mallee aa link with other soldiers tho form cheshi untaru.. koddigaa artham ayyi avanattundi..
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:32 pm:       


Humpty_dumpty:




mama if u get a chance pls see episode 83 of YOUTUBE.com MAHABHARATH(br chpora) episode.

Yes, This Padmavyuha acts defying all rules, changed the entire war.

BHEESHMA was there and it was pure an army war(lowlevel) dharma yuddham type.

padmavyuham tho motham changed as ARJUNA next day eliminates an entire
1 AKSHAUNI on a single day to reach Jaydrath at any any any cost to kill him and avenge the death of son.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:30 pm:       

@basky

//That confusing incident of elephant flight totally changed the hindus fate.

and rest is history//

irony is they used the death of an elephant to kill ashwadhama. looks like karma is biting us big time
 

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Hail_the_labour:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chakravyuha-labyrinth.svg

pls see the pic, inside ninchi break atta chesthadu. outside ninchi jeyyale




this looks pretty easy..just travel back in oppp direction ante kada..
 

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Humpty_dumpty:

thank you, ridley scott for the visualization




hammayya...chivarki evado thellodu choopinchadu..manaki samajh ayyipoyindi...j/k
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:30 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:

SO why abhi has to know the exit? Ee breaking of vyuham has to happen while entering right? Ante if someone has to break the vyuham, do they have to start from the center?




just imagine concentric circles with a lot of mighty warriors at each layer, each layer has one weakpoint which is where there is a likelihood of somebody breaking it. so once this formation starts moving forward it will annihilate pretty much everything in its path and capture the target.

when the target is found, first outer layer will open up and the target is sucked in and then the next and so on finally the target ends up in the inner most circle and trapped.

so in order to prevent the formation from progressing somebody has to break it and destroy the formation and abhimanyu does break through all the layers and gets trapped in the middle where he is killed
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:28 pm:       


Venkateswarlu:




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chakravyuha-labyrinth.svg

pls see the pic, inside ninchi break atta chesthadu. outside ninchi jeyyale
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:27 pm:       

//wrong, he was still fighting every body and beating them and it took karna's breaking the bow string from back to make abhimanyu helpless//

I agree with you. If abhi was good enough to break 6 formations, I think he would have been good enough to fight more than one 1 at a time if he was not already doing so.

basky mama, I think it is the specific act of karna during padmavyuha which changed the course of war. Padmavyuha sounds to me as a superb strategy and well countered by abhi, but karna broke the ethics ( for all we know he wud have been pressured by duryodhana to do )

if u see gladiator first Colosseum scene, it is similar to padmyavyuham
maximus asks them to stay together and hold the line(circle in padmavyuham)
as the attackers keep circling , the line opens out suddenly catching them unawares...abhimanyu was the attacker but he had the skills to beat the line and penetrate anukuntunna...thank you, ridley scott for the visualization
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:26 pm:       

Mallik: ABHI okkade enter kaadu as per plan. all pandavas will be backing ABHI and ABHI knows the points to break. afer he breaks all PANDAVAS rest will be following.

but Jaydrath boon vundhi he can stop pandavas power for 1 day. and he uses that wish for that day. so ABHI venaka ravalsina vaalu, aaagipotharu

ABHI gets struck inside formation. ABHI ki baitiki raatam teliyakapoina

ALL PANDAVAS and ABHI would have continied to fight till evening and PADMYA vyuha would be end by sunset.

moreover, its a moral victory kadha, BREAK cheyyadam anedhi.


Note: arjuna lekunda ivi anni ani artham chesko. arjun unte asal Vyuham ee undadu.
 

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Okahyderabadi:

lotus & petals formation loki oka honey bee velli middle layer moosukoni pote trapped right? so that is how they planned to capture dharmaraja and it had to be broken before it progressed and captured him


SO why abhi has to know the exit? Ee breaking of vyuham has to happen while entering right? Ante if someone has to break the vyuham, do they have to start from the center?
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:24 pm:       


Hail_the_labour:

arasuramudu aithe, mari KArnudu okavela Break cheyyalanna ,pani cheyyademo.. due to the curs


parashuram curse is only for divine weapons at the time most needed and not on other things.
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Okahyderabadi:

bheeshmudi ki nerpinchina varu, dronidi nerpinchina varu, karnudiki nerpichina varu okkare




Parasuramudu aithe, mari KArnudu okavela Break cheyyalanna ,pani cheyyademo.. due to the curse
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:20 pm:       

humpty mama: if u get a chance please read Ghazni-Andandpal(rajput) war of 1000 AD.

the hindu army almost outnumbering in number defeats gahzini(about to retreat) but a sudden twist happens is anandpal elephant got disturbed due to a nearby blast and it runs away back. this made all hindu kings think anandpal was retreading and running for life and this lead to all hindu kings retreading.

see this, until that time ghazini was about to retread , turned about and he chased chased hindu armies into finally getting upperhand and victory.

That confusing incident of elephant flight totally changed the hindus fate.

and rest is history.
 

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So basic gaa ee formation tho kauravulu dharmaraju ni chuttu mudithe, appudu nenunnaa naayanamma antoo abhi enter avuthaadaa?

Naaku confusing endi ante, why abhi has to enter this formation ani? I thought he want to kill the king in the center ani anukuntaa unnaa inni dinaal..


lotus & petals formation loki oka honey bee velli middle layer moosukoni pote trapped right? so that is how they planned to capture dharmaraja and it had to be broken before it progressed and captured him
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:18 pm:       


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Hail_the_labour:

the Army will encircle in a LOTUS fashion and proceed further and they will encircle in such a way that, you do not know which way to get out.


So basic gaa ee formation tho kauravulu dharmaraju ni chuttu mudithe, appudu nenunnaa naayanamma antoo abhi enter avuthaadaa?

Naaku confusing endi ante, why abhi has to enter this formation ani? I thought he want to kill the king in the center ani anukuntaa unnaa inni dinaal..
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:16 pm:       


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are u sure annai KArna ki evaru nerpincharu.
 

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Hail_the_labour:

karna back ninchi break cheyyakapoyina, stilll other kuru-warrios hell broke loose.

it was 1 - 1 then until this episode. offcourse later pandavas continiously

adopted it. kuru started it and pandavas embraced it and lifted each 1 by


wrong, he was still fighting every body and beating them and it took karna's breaking the bow string from back to make abhimanyu helpless


Humpty_dumpty:

hyder annai: inka kaurava side evariki telusu ee formation breaking... can u throw some light.


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annai, LOTUS formation is such in a way that

the Army will encircle in a LOTUS fashion and proceed further and they will encircle in such a way that, you do not know which way to get out.

chinnapudu BIG FUN bubblegam games lo iccheotdu choodu wrapper...

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:12 pm:       

kish , sudden ga why this this thread why side trackinga?
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:11 pm:       


Hail_the_labour:

Padmavyuha was adopted to Capture DHarmaraju alive and put end to a war.


Confusing gaa undi..

Padmavyuham ante circular haze majjalo king ni etti safeguard cheyyadam kaadaa?
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Humpty_dumpty:


annai here we are not praising or critisising karna.


hyder tammi told karna is great. i was just pointing him anthe.

karna back ninchi break cheyyakapoyina, stilll other kuru-warrios hell broke loose.

it was 1 - 1 then until this episode. offcourse later pandavas continiously

adopted it. kuru started it and pandavas embraced it and lifted each 1 by 1.


even karna was killed when he was most unexpecting and helpless situation.


i am stressing that, PADMAVYUHA episode of ABHI changed all the rules of war.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:08 pm:       

@basky
mama, dont think i am counter arguing but I am playing the devils advocate with myself to understand better
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:07 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

process




hyder annai: inka kaurava side evariki telusu ee formation breaking... can u throw some light.

Drona ki telusu. Bheeshmudu ki telusu anukunta. KARNA ki telisi natlu nenu chadavaledu ekkada?
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:06 pm:       

@basky

thanks for the details
but i still dont see anything wrong in kauravas adopting padmavyuham and discarding it when they saw that abhimanyu was shredding it to pieces or having that guy guarding the entrance...they were always increasing their chances of winning ethically...
as per urs and okahyd annais explanations, the wrong doing is by karna whch leads to abhi's death...does kauravas attacking in unison matter at this point as he was already beating them to pulp? they had to unite and attack him to stand any chance, of coz that chance was created by karna
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:04 pm:       


Hail_the_labour:

Actually DRONA gets shocked to see know that Abhi can enter the formatio


because he has only taught it to Arjuna. Abhimanyu comes to know when he is in subhadra's womb when arjuna is narrating the technique and subhadra falls asleep leaving only half - breaking process done but not coming out
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Hail_the_labour:

If you see the formation of Padmavyuha, its a SPhiral outside-in with 7 layers inside in it. after 6 layers are broken by abhimanyu, kauravas hell broke loose and they deviated all the norms of padmavyuham.

infact its not a padmavyuha anymore... but still pandavas cannot enter becoause

JAydrath boon is acting as a defience to them as they cannot tire out jaydrath for that 1 day.

All the Kaurava warriors attacked him in unison.


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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 03:00 pm:       

Actually DRONA gets shocked to see know that Abhi can enter the formation.

Had he known this, he might not have planned the Padma Vyuham.

But he became utter shocked
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:57 pm:       


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If you see the formation of Padmavyuha, its a SPhiral outside-in with 7 layers inside in it. after 6 layers are broken by abhimanyu, kauravas hell broke loose and they deviated all the norms of padmavyuham.

infact its not a padmavyuha anymore... but still pandavas cannot enter becoause

JAydrath boon is acting as a defience to them as they cannot tire out jaydrath for that 1 day.

All the Kaurava warriors attacked him in unison.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:57 pm:       


Hail_the_labour:

Jaydrath has got the boon that he can stop entire Pandavas mighty for 1 day


except arjuna ani note chesuko
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:54 pm:       


Hail_the_labour:


humpty kooda ade cheppindu kada, winning means capturing dharmaraja. so they lured arjuna away from the field by setting trigartha kings against him and then immediately moved in to padmavyuham formation. none in the pandava army except arjuna (krishna ofcourse) could counter it and abhimanyu only knew how to enter and the rest is history.

anduke annanu kada tammi, karna only unlawful activity is breaking the bow strings from back. all the bow string that abhimanyu was able to retread were broken by karna from behind
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:53 pm:       

Padmavyuha was adopted to Capture DHarmaraju alive and put end to a war.

But krishna had other plans and he sees that Arjuna would not be there at that time .

Jaydrath has got the boon that he can stop entire Pandavas mighty for 1 day.

He guards the Padmavyuha on that fateful day and knows that noone can break the padmavyuha and dharmaraju will be captured alive thus defeat for pandavas.

Only Abhimanyu,Krishna,Arjuna,Aniruddha,Pradyumna knew to break it.

but last 2 were not in war and abhimanyu knew only half of it.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:49 pm:       

@basky
teliyakay adigaa...enduku boiling
if it was to capture D raju alive, I see no wrong in it
I did not know that karna attacked from behind - thanks for clarifying
 

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what is the gooduputaani in it? isn't padmavyuham a war strategy? if so, why shud the kauravas be blamed for employing it - they were after all increasing theri chances of winning? abhimanyu's failure was coz of his lack of counter strategy , right?




em telusu neeku padmavyuham gurinchi. its put to capture dharmaraju alive.

back side ninchi kottindi karnudu.... which defies all war practises...

this event lead to pandavas crossing all lines of war morals.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:40 pm:       

karna attacking arjuna's son enti? is it padmavyuham episode?
what is the gooduputaani in it? isn't padmavyuham a war strategy? if so, why shud the kauravas be blamed for employing it - they were after all increasing theri chances of winning? abhimanyu's failure was coz of his lack of counter strategy , right?
 

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sri kishna commision yem chebuthundi inside info


thread veredi vesi discuss seddam tammmi, ikkada topic meeda undamu
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:38 pm:       


Idle_yzag:

jail nunchi bayatiki yela vasthadu?


after some time during the course of events he is released from prison and comes to hastinapuram
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sri kishna commision yem chebuthundi inside info :D
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:37 pm:       


Hail_the_labour:

what about attacking on Arjuna-SON


only mistake he made. preceded by other incidents like bheeshma etc anyway
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:34 pm:       

//shakuni detests bheeshma, pandavas and to the extent the whole kuru dynasty and his is a case of self destruction and destroying the kuru dynasty in the process//

makes sense
 

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Karna is a great soul except




what about attacking on Arjuna-SON
 

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jail nunchi bayatiki yela vasthadu?
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Hail_the_labour:

DUSTA CHATUSTYAM


kalpitam in mayabazar. sri krishna himself says Karna is a great soul except for his one attachment with suyodhana
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Prison lo pettindi Duryodhanadu not Bheeshma


not sure about this. by the time duryodhana is born shakuni is already in hastinapura.
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Prison lo pettindi Duryodhanadu




DRistharastra
 

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SHakuni is part of DUSTA CHATUSTYAM (karna,duryodhana,dushashan,shakuni)
 

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Prison lo pettindi Duryodhanadu not Bheeshma
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Idle_yzag:

2. How duryodana belives shakuni?





duryodhana was SUYODHANA who was initially a good person,

but shakuni pakkana cheri, childhood ninchi, pakkana cheri pandavas-kauravas majjilo pullalu baagane pedthadu. esp suyodhan-bhima ki ekkuva pedthadu.
 

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Okahyderabadi:


ok bhasky tammi version is a little different but putting in prison etc are common.
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Okahyderabadi:

bones of his father(dont recall which part)


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both Mahabharatam and Ramayanam rendu jariginavi anataniki chala proofs dhorikinai ani vinna bro naku pedhaga idea ledhu




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Kish:

Annai, Shakuni gurinchi cheppandi if possible! Jail lo vesinavaadini thecchi pakkana enduku pettukuntaadu Duryodhanudu? Enduku antha nammuthaadu? Asalu jail lo enduku vesthaadu?




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shakuni is brother of gandhari. bheeshma pitamaha is looking for a bride for Mr Dhritarashtra and zeros in on Gandhari. He goes to the king of Gandhara and asks for her hand which is refused because Dritarashtra is blind. Bheeshma then challenges the Gandhara king and defeats the king and imprisons him and his 100 sons. During the course of time all of the 99 brothers die and the father dies too but most importantly all the brothers and father feed shakuni while staying in the prison and sacrifice themselves. Shakuni then decides to end Kuru dynasty. The pachikalu of Shakuni are made with the bones of his father(dont recall which part) and hence pretty much they listen to shakuni's commands.

shakuni detests bheeshma, pandavas and to the extent the whole kuru dynasty and his is a case of self destruction and destroying the kuru dynasty in the process. Pandavas fortunately had Sri Krishna on their side and were the better amongst the people around.
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Hail_the_labour:

He knows the result of the WAR


How?

2. How duryodana belives shakuni?
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mahabharatam antha as it is ga jariginda?



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mayabazar episode mottam kalpitam nothing like it anywhere in bharatam according to what I read




asalu nijam edho evariki telusu? Mana time lo jarige Iraqi war, India internal gola meedha clarity ledhu manaki.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:17 pm:       


Hail_the_labour:

he gets angry and puts all of them in jail. appudu food thini Okade bathukuthadu



100 members jail lo vesi rojuki 100 methukulu vese vaallanta ee okka methuku thini evvaram em peekalem ani anni methukul kalipi chinna vadaina sakuni ki thinipisthranta . A paachikalu kooda vaalla thaatha chanipothoo icchina bones tho chesukuntadu .
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:17 pm:       


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asalu Mayabazar cinema motham kalpithame.




mahabharatam antha as it is ga jariginda?
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:17 pm:       

SAHADEVA kills SHakuni on 17th day of War.

SAHADEVA ki oka Varam undhi, He knows the result of the WAR but if he tells to anybody, his body will be breaken to peices.
So he cant tell anyone the consequences.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:15 pm:       


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rendu saarlu


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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:15 pm:       


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asalu Mayabazar cinema motham kalpithame.




yenti gatothgajudu, abhimanyu marriage nijam kada?
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:15 pm:       


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shakuni is a kickaxss blackjack champ....he can count card like noones business ....so dhuryodhan keeps him with him cause he thinks he is an asset to accompany him on his vegas tours....




21st century terminology lo perfectly explained
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:13 pm:       


Elcaminocapastrino:

shakuni is a kickaxss blackjack champ....he can count card like noones business ....so dhuryodhan keeps him with him cause he thinks he is an asset to accompany him on his vegas tours....


tamud endhuku nanu ignore sesthunnaav?
Manaki Manam Kingu, Choosevallaki Bongu.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:13 pm:       


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janala weakness cash chesukunnaru aithey



oka saari kaadhu rendu saarlu :-)
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:13 pm:       


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shakuni


neeku telusaa Shakuni is from Gandaara current kandahar region in Afghanistan.
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:13 pm:       


Kish:

so enduku jail lo pedthaaru and enduku Shakuni ni malli antha nammuthaaru?




Shakuni Father GAANDHARA: was a king. GANDHARI ki jaathaka dosham undedi, so they married 1st to a goat/animal and then 2nd marriage to dritarastra.

dritarastra ki secret teliyadu, later he knows it... he gets angry and puts all of them in jail. appudu food thini Okade bathukuthadu. and thats shakuni.

aa shakuni aaa asthikalatho PAACHIKA chesi pettukuntadu. they always display whatever shakuni choice it.

He wanted revenge on kuru vamsa and he misguides them to dooms.

Point : Shakuni Pachika will not work if KRISHNA is around. in Krishna absence only Pachika Works.


Cinematic liberty: KRishnudu, SHakuni iddariki telusu, Pandava-Kuru will meet in Kurukshetra war ani.... both of thier wish is the same.

itu side ninchi KRISHNA teeskuni velthunte, atu ninchi Shakuni pattukuni vasthadu.... Krishna knows SHAKUNI intentions also.

so ala cinematic ga, but essense same unde vidham ga choopincharu.
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:12 pm:       

shakuni is a kickaxss blackjack champ....he can count card like noones business ....so dhuryodhan keeps him with him cause he thinks he is an asset to accompany him on his vegas tours....
 

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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:12 pm:       


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asalu Mayabazar cinema motham kalpithame.


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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:11 pm:       


Kish:

idhi cinematic liberty na, leka nijam ga Mahabharatham lo ala undha?



asalu Mayabazar cinema motham kalpithame. Characters motham Mahabharatham lo vunnai kaani ee episode mathram completely pure commercial well knit story by director/story writer
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:09 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

mayabazar episode mottam kalpitam nothing like it anywhere in bharatam according to what I read




Annai, Shakuni gurinchi cheppandi if possible! Jail lo vesinavaadini thecchi pakkana enduku pettukuntaadu Duryodhanudu? Enduku antha nammuthaadu? Asalu jail lo enduku vesthaadu?
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:07 pm:       


Kish:

Monna Mayabazar (color) malli chusaanu- andulo oka scene lo Sashirekha, Balaramudu etc andhariki istam aina vaallu kanipisthaaru oka mirror lo- Krishnudiki Shakuni kanipisthaadu- idhi cinematic liberty na, leka nijam ga Mahabharatham lo ala undha?

Daani venaka ardham enti?

Asalu Shakuni story enti exact ga? Sri Krishna pandaveeyam lo Shakuni story konchem choopisthaaru- like Shakuni father ni and brothers ni Duryodhanudu bandhisthaadu and roju vaallaki oka methuku annam pedthaaru- andharu thyagam chesi Shakuni ki pedthaaru annam so he can live and take revenge- so enduku jail lo pedthaaru and enduku Shakuni ni malli antha nammuthaaru?

Konchem length ekkuvaina detailed ga cheppandi Shakuni background and history!!




mayabazar episode mottam kalpitam nothing like it anywhere in bharatam according to what I read
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:05 pm:       

Monna Mayabazar (color) malli chusaanu- andulo oka scene lo Sashirekha, Balaramudu etc andhariki istam aina vaallu kanipisthaaru oka mirror lo- Krishnudiki Shakuni kanipisthaadu- idhi cinematic liberty na, leka nijam ga Mahabharatham lo ala undha?

Daani venaka ardham enti?

Asalu Shakuni story enti exact ga? Sri Krishna pandaveeyam lo Shakuni story konchem choopisthaaru- like Shakuni father ni and brothers ni Duryodhanudu bandhisthaadu and roju vaallaki oka methuku annam pedthaaru- andharu thyagam chesi Shakuni ki pedthaaru annam so he can live and take revenge- so enduku jail lo pedthaaru and enduku Shakuni ni malli antha nammuthaaru?

Konchem length ekkuvaina detailed ga cheppandi Shakuni background and history!!
I have no special talents- I am only passionately curious- Einstein

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