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Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2153 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.162.171.60 Rating: N/A |
Sci-fi literature ni oka ramayanam,bharatham,bhagavatham la aradinchi vatini andulo vunna characters ni pujalu chesi valla jeevithalaki adarsham ga teesukoru kadandi..... fiction stories inthaga society ni influence cheyyatam sadhyama...atla alochinchi ekkuva alochinchi manam society common sense ni kooda question chestunnam emo | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7041 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Absolutely  No one is saying diverge from a path you believe in But it can be done without disparaging or discounting other paths is all I am saying
This happens to be a matter of opinion or belief There is no statistical data to prove conclusively either way
Semantic issue of communication - when I said new - I meant new to the individual - not "new" in the way you interpreted it.
Hmm, and centuries since then of following the time-tested spiritual path by many has not yielded any results in recapturing that knowledge - so what is the guarantee that in our lifetimes there will be a breakthrough using the same method ? I will present a hypothetical situation that will enrage many here - how do we even know that the literature was not embellished with some fiction ? Let's say in 2012, a meteor hits earth and humanity is wiped out - evolution starts again and few centuries from now people decode HG Wells Time machine or any other SCi-fi literature - will people then potentially not believe that humans had the ability to time travel in the 20th century and they have since lost that knowledge ? Soemthing to wonder about aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2150 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: |
I feel it's better to follow a path which one feels is best and complete....we may get lot of information by wandering through different philosophies and paths but i am not sure wether the gathered information can transform to eternal knowledge or wisdom.....true knowledge is neither new or old and it doesn't change with time or place
There are very few commanalities between the approach of science and scriptures, though externally it may look that both are refering to the mysteries of universe their approaches are significantly different...moreover science failed to accomplish anything significant at a fundamental level in the last 50 years
we lost that knowledge...what we have is memories of that knowledge in literature.... | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7040 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: |
Glad you did not take offense I was explaining my paradigm and the way I perceived yours, not asserting my age or maturity over you - to me those comparisions are odious.. everyone has something to teach me with their different perspectives and insights You are one of the few people on the DB who are willing to share their knowledge on the DB and I really admire that. I am only cautioning not to lock yourself into the rigid mindset of one approach is better than someone else's - this rigidity reduces ability to assimilate new knowledge from other sources... It is not a competition between scripture and science - collaboration will help unravel mysteries faster Meeru adigaru - can science accomplish Drona's feat today - daniki retort will be can any Vedic scholar do it today? Does not yield anything other than polarising two streams of learning that would be better off working together Peace aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2145 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.93.48.27 Rating: |
ananad garu i took no offense...agree you are more experienced and matured...i must confess i don't have much exposure to philosophies of the world...i am not qualified to draw comparisions between them...from whatever little i know about math,science and indian scriptures i am confident enough to say current technologies have nothing common to the technologies described in vedic literature like ramayana and bharatam...for example you might have read in bharatham how drona picks playing ball from a well using grass blades by chanting mantras....can the current technology accomplish that?...as far as i know current technology doesn't go beyond earth,water,air, and fire where as the technology mentioned in scriptures also involves consciousness and finer aspects of nature like ether, mind, intellect and ego... so my point is their approach and quality of knowledge is completely different. | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7032 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
I think you took offense .. it was not meant to offend so I apologise Let me see if I can articulate what I meant... Oscar Wilde once said " the young know everything, the middle-aged question everything and the old believe everything " He was talking about the the three stages in life - in youth we are willing assert whatever we believe as absolute truth, in middle age we start questioning our own beliefs and by old age we are willing to believe that whatever we believe and what someone else believes has equal probablility of being right so we are able to believe everything. Neither is right or wrong , its just a natural progression of thought process From your posts I inferred - you believe what you believe, that our scriptures are absolute truth and anything that contradicts or does not support this is not of much value... I am in the old age state - to me everything has equal probabilitis possible- our scriptures, someone else's scriptures, science , even my 8 year old's wild theories To me the definition of absolute truth is that we should be able to come to the conclusion irrrespective of the method we use to arrive at it Whether the route is vedic, scientific, kabbalah prescribed or any other route out there... And in absence of knowledge of the nature of absolute truth, the only way to converge on the truth is to approach it from multiple paths and look for that convergence via commonalities
I disagree - I believe the gross is only a multiple of existence at the minutest level Laksmi stotram lo untundi "Sukshma sthoola maha roudre mahasakte mahodaye You are everything from minute spirit to gross matter, from ultimate fury and energy to kindness..." I think you can approach to understand from either end, the sthoola(gross) or the sukshma(spirit) end to converge on the truth Anyway - no real point in arguing , we all take our own paths to understanding truth - but maybe as Jiddu krishnamurthi said Truth is just a pathless land aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2142 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.93.88.112 Rating: |
please explain what you understand from my words....you were referring to truths from vedas that match current scientific knowledge.....why should anybody compare if they don't want to judge...if you want to understand vedas go through the learning process and realise the truths behind them..if you are comparing both of them what is your standard science? or vedas?
the technologies in scriptures are spiritual technologies...most of them are based on mantra and consciousness....they cannot be validated using current scientific method that deals only with gross aspects of earth,water,air and fire | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7027 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Your choice of words says a lot about your paradigm Seeking to judge and seeking to understand are poles apart - if you recall my post about positions My take : The day someone is able to interpret, implement and demonstrate the results repeatably of following the technologies in the scripture, we will not have these debates . Scriptures have to be validated using the scientific method - till then they will be beliefs/theories,not facts. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2139 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.93.83.181 Rating: N/A |
I don't hate modern science but at the same time i don't judge scriptures with current scientific models....to me nature works in its own way....i don't encourage people who compare current models with scriptures and say see this scientific information is available in vedas...scriptures stand on their own they don't need certificates from current models which themselves fail every two decades | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7024 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: |
Yes - and scriptures also mention multiple dimensions/ lokas In your disdain for modern science ,I think you are missing something... Scriptures - not just hindu scriptures, but in them all over the world..there is a lot of knowledge codified. However, humans today do not have the ability to decode/translate that knowledge into implementable technologies. Science is the lasnguage that will help humanity do this translation. Scientific ga light speed derive chese varaku , vedallo document ayyindi light speed anedi manaki telidu... Science is helping us decode the scripture by retrofitting what can be validated into what was "documented" in scriptures... Advances in science are indispensable to understanding of the technology of the scriptures aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3088 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.88.234.149 Rating: N/A |
Its difficult to say. Tanmatra-s which are finer elements are responsible for the gross elements of this universe. So we can hypothetically draw a comparison between bosons and them. Samkhyakarika doesnt go much deeper on this subject. But remember that most of Kapila's work has disappeared. So we will never know how deep his work was. ...and I am never gonna dance again...guilty feet I have got no rhythm...though its easy to pretend...I know you are not a fool...I should've known better than to cheat a friend...wasted chance that I'been given...so I am never gonna dance again...the way I danced with you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQtlrBziyzI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALiyJ02k_Y | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2136 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
bro ee tanmatras ki veellu cheppe god particle(boson) okate antaara...ippud varaku chala paricles discover chesarau ga veetilo edanna tanmatras ki match avutundha | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2133 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
Brahmas chala mandhi vunnari ani mana scriptures(Bhagavatam) cheptunnayi anand garu...nalugu talakalayu kante ekkuva talakayalu vunna brahma lu vunnaranta... | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5554 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
On a side note, i was reading an article in eenadu about this experiment. They were talking about "Krishna Padardham, Krishna Sakthi" etc. I didn't understand at first. Then it struck me  If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3076 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: |
Samkhya proposes two primary entities. Purusha and Prakrithi. Prakrithi manifests in to 23 tattvas, based on the interaction of thrigunas. First is Mahat, universal intellect. Second ahamkara, ego. From ahamkara come the eleven powers (indriya) and the five sensibilia (tanmatra); and from the tanmatras the five elements (bhuta). The eleven powers (indriya) are mind (manas), the senses and the "powers of action" (karmendriya), the biological faculties. The senses (powers of cognition, buddhindriya) are sight, hearing, smelling, tasting, and touching - they are the abilities, not the physical organs themselves through which they operate. The crude names of the powers of action are speech, hand, foot, anus and lap. They symbolize the fundamental biological abilities to communicate, to take in or consume, to move, to excrete and to generate. The material elements are derived from the gross, tamas-ic aspect of the ego, which yields what Sankhya calls tanmatra-s (meaning only-that, that is, unmixed). These in turn yield the elements (bhuta, maha-bhuta). The elements are ether (akasa), air, fire, water and earth. The tanmatra-s seem to be uncompounded sensibilia; perhaps subtle elements or substances, each having only one sensible quality: sound, touch, visibility, taste and smell. The gross elements are probably fixed compounds of the tanmatra-s: ether has only sound, air also touch, fire is also visible, water has in addition taste and earth has all the five qualities. This evolution is same in microcosm and macrocosm. So, basically humans represent the entire universe. ...and I am never gonna dance again...guilty feet I have got no rhythm...though its easy to pretend...I know you are not a fool...I should've known better than to cheat a friend...wasted chance that I'been given...so I am never gonna dance again...the way I danced with you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQtlrBziyzI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALiyJ02k_Y | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7017 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Idi chala relative kada Oka pelli ki 10 lakhs karchu pette badulu you can feed a village ani pellilu grand ga cheyyatam maneyyaru...Sripuram temple lo 17 tons bangaram pette badulu enta mandiki vidya danam cheyyochu ani naku anipinchindi- but the donor had a different set of priorities...and a different cost-benefit analysis
How do we know there is not another world out there who has their own brahma and scriptures ? We don't. Our perception of reality is limited by our knowledge of the world -scientific and/or scriptural. The quest of science is to expand that knowledge and as a result our perception of our reality aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 381 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 122.183.65.2 Rating: N/A |
//It created jobs and will advance the technologies personally, what i feel is.. it is better to spend one lakh on a village for some improvement than to create a watchman job with an annual salary of one lakh PS:i dont intend to degrade the jobs created or the advancements of the technologies... | ||
Jawmetri Junior Artist Username: Jawmetri Post Number: 541 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 59.93.80.254 Rating: N/A |
It created jobs and will advance the technologies | ||
Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 380 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 122.183.65.2 Rating: |
anta dabbulu kharchu chesi kondani tavvi yelukani patte badulu... ee R&D ki kaavaalsina dabbulu yedannaa manchi pani kosam spend chesindochu  | ||
Sagar Hero Username: Sagar Post Number: 10201 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 174.23.206.4 Rating: N/A |
chances chaala vunnayi.. bayataku raanivaru ... vaalu edo telusukone lopu.... boomi... Mukkalavudhi... | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2120 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
brother sankhya philosophy lo bhoomi, neeru, gali,vaayuvu, akasham, taruvatha different tatvaas vunnayi kadha vaati properties emanna specify chesaara | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2117 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
mana scriptures prakaram idhi Brahma srushti...deeniki prati srushti create cheyyataniki vishwamitra try chesaadu anand gaaru...mari aa prati srusti ekkada vundo ippudu | ||
Methhanithodugu Side Hero Username: Methhanithodugu Post Number: 2763 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 59.93.76.80 Rating: |
I blame this for Andaman Earthquake  Methhani-thodugu- SOFTWEAR ~ SOFTWARE | ||
Jawmetri Junior Artist Username: Jawmetri Post Number: 536 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 59.93.96.30 Rating: N/A |
hopefully they dont create a mass gobbling black hole. | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7014 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Good going CERN and their LHC team Looking forward to some interesting findings
How do you know this srusti(our reality) is not a creation of some other more advanced civilisation  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3038 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Brother, If there is a word that is common to almost all scientific articles, that is 'believed'. No true scientist would say his findings are conclusive. Here they are trying to replicate the conditions that they believe existed at the time of Big Bang. ...and I am never gonna dance again...guilty feet I have got no rhythm...though its easy to pretend...I know you are not a fool...I should've known better than to cheat a friend...wasted chance that I'been given...so I am never gonna dance again...the way I danced with you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQtlrBziyzI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALiyJ02k_Y | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2111 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
Boson ante bose predict chesina partcles ee ga...mari kaneesam ayyaniki nobel prize kooda ivvala...ee God particle to srusti ki prati srusti chestaara | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2110 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
adhi oka belief ani valle cheptunnaru...malla danni create chesamu antaaru... | ||
Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2109 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/mar/30/scientists-recreat e-big-bang-successfully.htm Scientists recreate Big Bang successfully Physicists at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research broke a record with their atom smasher Large Hadron Collider when they managed to collide protons at 3 times the energy previously achieved. Earlier in the day, scientists stepped up efforts to detect the elusive 'God Particle' by triggering collision of two proton beams in the world's largest atom smasher located on the Franco-Swiss border on the outskirts of Geneva. The two proton beams, set in motion in opposite directions of two 27-km long pipes of the LHC in November last year, were previously moving at 3.5 trillion electron volts (TeV) with each beam of the protons going around the device 11,000 times every second. Physicists achieved the feat while attempting to collide the two beams at 7 TeV, creating conditions similar at the time of the Big Bang -- that is believed to have created the universe. Indian scientists joined their counterparts from across the world, who observed the collisions as they happened. When the proton beams collided, 800 million collisions per second took place and powerful detectors installed at the site gathered data of each of the collisions. The analysis of this data that could lead to the discovery of the Higgs boson, also called as the 'God particle', that is believed to have existed when the universe was born, said Prof Satyaki Bhattacharya of Delhi [ Images ] University who is involved in the LHC experiment. Researchers will sift through the subatomic debris of proton collisions for signs of extra dimensions that will bolster belief in "supersymmetry", a theory that doubles the number of particle species in the universe. The LHC is designed to collide two 7 TeV proton beams, but scientists decided in January to operate the machine at half the power until the end of 2011. The machine will then close for a year of further engineering work to ensure it can run at full power in 2013 without breaking down again. For scientists at CERN and elsewhere, the beginning of high-energy collisions will end a long period of working without any real data. Until recently, many physicists have had to make do with computer simulations of particle collisions. CERN researchers will sift through the subatomic debris of proton collisions for signs of extra dimensions and hitherto invisible particles that will bolster belief in "supersymmetry", a theory that doubles the number of particle species in the universe. Other results may point to "hidden worlds" of particles and forces that we are oblivious to because they do not interact with everyday matter. Much higher energy collisions take place constantly in nature, when particles in cosmic rays slam into clouds of interstellar gas, heavenly bodies and ions in the Earth's atmosphere. The LHC is expected to make new discoveries about the laws of physics at the highest energies and smallest scales ever probed. CERN Director General Rolf Heuer said scientists hope by the end of this year to make discoveries into the mysterious dark matter that they believe comprises a quarter of the whole universe. The better understood visible universe makes up only five per cent of the universe. Dark matter has been theorised by scientists to account for missing mass and bent light in faraway galaxies. They believe it makes galaxies spin faster. A separate entity called 'dark energy' makes up the remaining 70 per cent of the universe, and this is understood to be associated with the vacuum that is evenly distributed in space and time. It is believed to accelerate the expansion of the universe. |
