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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:40 pm:       

tangential thought...A mamtha banerjee can get a railway ministry but a person from ap is never given such a ministry, it is pathetic how the congress hc always took the ap electorate for granted.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:17 pm:       


Kamal:

total autonomy is different .. each zone will have its own budget .. if total autonomy takes place .. which should not be the case !!!




mastaru meeru em type chestunnaro naku artham avvatledu. each zone should have power to override the minister antaru. common budget antaru. common budget ni each zone override chestara? ante ye budget follow autharu?

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:13 pm:       


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danne budget lo autonomy antaru mastaru. Who can have more control than the minister himself?



total autonomy is different .. each zone will have its own budget .. if total autonomy takes place .. which should not be the case !!!
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:10 pm:       


Kamal:

I mean to say .. regional boards should have more control over the funds .. to override the railway minister and correct the bias, if necessary in cases like AP ..




danne budget lo autonomy antaru mastaru. Who can have more control than the minister himself?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:08 pm:       


Netsaint:

already undhia partial autonomy. regional boards pampisthe ne kadha NEW RAILS occhedi. lalooo dreams lo ninchi vasthaya endhi




Ala aithe Mamatha velli bengal lo enduku pedutondi factory, laloo ooru peru leni vadi constituency lo enduku pettadu? manavallu adigindi 3600cr for completion of started projs. Country mothaniki ichindi 4200cr. So much for partial autonomy.

Deeniki intha disc enduku, its very simple. If a region has more ppl travelling, it will "NEED" more investment. Aren't the generated revenue, profits etc, are direct indicators of the "NEED", or the number of ppl traveling?

Very few exceptions untayi, which can be handled with exceptional provisions.

System perfect unte misuse enduku untundi? Budgets lo autonomy isthe there is no place for regional favoritism.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:05 pm:       


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already undhia partial autonomy. regional boards pampisthe ne kadha NEW RAILS occhedi. lalooo dreams lo ninchi vasthaya endhi



I mean to say .. regional boards should have more control over the funds .. to override the railway minister and correct the bias, if necessary in cases like AP ..
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:00 pm:       


Kamal:

kaani .. better would be not to go for total autonomy .. instead conditional autonomy should be enough ..




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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:53 pm:       


Indiarocks:

Punjab lo entha revenue generate authundo, will it not support the less traveling population?



punjab ki problem ledemo .. but its about some small states like Himachal, Uttaranchal, J&K .. vaatiki autonomy feasible avvadu ..

kaani .. better would be not to go for total autonomy .. instead conditional autonomy should be enough ..
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:53 pm:       


Indiarocks:

What is happening here is, one zone is getting more irrespective of the "NEED" because of political favoritism.




I am telling that SYSTEM is perfectly in shape. But POLITICALS are misuing it anthe. Burra petti politican chesthe, ANDHRA will get more trains.

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:51 pm:       


Kamal:

he is in agreement with this bro




ekkada agreement mastaru, he said that the present system is perfect. Ala aithe 80% nundi 20% ki enduku paddamu?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:50 pm:       


Kamal:

he is in agreement with this bro .. okappudu LB Sastri lanti railway ministers unde vaaru .. no regional bias .. ippudu we have nitish, laloo, mamata .. who care an ants a$$ about nationalism and just look for electoral benefits ..

ninna public ga cheppindi Mamata .. my heart beats for Bengal ani .. inkemi antaamu .. !!!




mari inkenti. Punjab lo entha revenue generate authundo, will it not support the less traveling population? Asalu revenue, expansion rendu should go hand in hand. This can be easily achieved by autonomy.

Ikkada jarigedi enti ante, too much concentration of power.

Eg, balayogi speaker ga unnappudu he used to have a shatabdi or some train to amalapuram, or thru it, with AC coach. I read that this train used to run almost empty. Ippudu mamatamma ekkado coach factory pedutondi. Daani meeda enni losslu vastayo.

Travel thakkuva unte loss ravala enti. If the expansion is excess of what is needed, that gives the loss, it is as simple as that.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:44 pm:       


Indiarocks:

What is happening here is, one zone is getting more irrespective of the "NEED" because of political favoritism.



he is in agreement with this bro .. okappudu LB Sastri lanti railway ministers unde vaaru .. no regional bias .. ippudu we have nitish, laloo, mamata .. who care an ants a$$ about nationalism and just look for electoral benefits ..

ninna public ga cheppindi Mamata .. my heart beats for Bengal ani .. inkemi antaamu .. !!!
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:41 pm:       


Netsaint:

and kamal. there are lot of rasons why a zone is in profits.

andhrites stay at home, travel more for festivals, generate revenue more.

punjabis guys are more at military work and at borders, they dont travel in festivals. so revune is less for punjab zone railway.

can we penalize andhrites for not sending enough numbers to army.




no offense, but your logics always seem wierd to me.

Andhrites travel more ani cheptunnavu. Alantappudu ekkuva trains evariki kavali. Punjab kaa, lekapothe Andhra kaa.

Ekkuva travel cheste, ekkuva revenue generate autundi. Which gives more trains to that zone.

travel ----> revenue ---> profits ----> more trains

Each thing supports the other, naturally.

What is happening here is, one zone is getting more irrespective of the "NEED" because of political favoritism.

If less ppl travel, then they need few trains. The less revenue generated can support the less number of ppl traveling.

Konni exceptions untayi, like defense, natural calamities. Main stream policy ni exceptions base chesukuni ekkadanna frame chestara?

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:28 pm:       


Netsaint:

and kamal. there are lot of rasons why a zone is in profits.



very true .. manaki middle classes ekkuva .. with IT boom and consequent other booms .. people are travelling like hell ..

Netsaint:

can we penalize andhrites for not sending enough numbers to army.



yaa .. dats the point .. btw .. Punjabis(Sikhs) rock .. best Indians :-)

Indiarocks:

Mana manassakshini suppress chesukuni support cheyalsina avasaram ledu.


thats the whole point .. who compromises most .. ane scale meedaki vachaam manam .. :D
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:24 pm:       


Kamal:

vaarini .. Employment Gaurantee Act lo lopaalu levu .. it is fool proof from Corruption ani chepparu .. aaa scheme kooda misused ani telindi ga 6 months lo .. ante .. either aa scheme gurinchi complete ga chadavaledu .. or practical ga reality telidu .. or anni telisi .. ignore chesi praise chesaru .. adi matter :-)




There is no scheme in the world that is totally fool proof from corruption. We can only have one scheme better from an other one. If JP said that a scheme is absolutely fool proof, then I will be happy to disagree with him. Mana manassakshini suppress chesukuni support cheyalsina avasaram ledu.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:19 pm:       


Indiarocks:


and kamal. there are lot of rasons why a zone is in profits.

andhrites stay at home, travel more for festivals, generate revenue more.

punjabis guys are more at military work and at borders, they dont travel in festivals. so revune is less for punjab zone railway.

can we penalize andhrites for not sending enough numbers to army.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:14 pm:       


Indiarocks:

For lack of better example, Kanchi swami meeda allegations nijam anukundamu, oka min, daniki kanchi peetham motham cheddadi aipodu kada. Dani goppathanam podu kada.



aipoyindi kada :-(

Indiarocks:

Scheme lo lopalaki, corruption ki sambandham enti?


vaarini .. Employment Gaurantee Act lo lopaalu levu .. it is fool proof from Corruption ani chepparu .. aaa scheme kooda misused ani telindi ga 6 months lo .. ante .. either aa scheme gurinchi complete ga chadavaledu .. or practical ga reality telidu .. or anni telisi .. ignore chesi praise chesaru .. adi matter :-)

Indiarocks:

Migatha vishayalalo cong ni titti ee okka vishayam lo compromise authada?



well .. its how you look at it .. JP tries to be lesser enemy (opposition) with whoever is in power antunna anthe .. there is nothing concrete in my argument .. its all observation and my interpretation .. :-)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:09 pm:       


Kamal:

vaammo vaddu .. NREGA scheme meeda Delhi lo ekkado Rahul Gandhi ni ettatam choosanu .. assalu lopaalu leni scheme adi idi ani .. cut cheste .. within 6 months andulo corruption bayata padindi .. JP ante manchi feeling ee undi kaani .. ila konni issues lo compromise aithe ibbandi anipistundi .. :D




Scheme lo lopalaki, corruption ki sambandham enti? Migatha vishayalalo cong ni titti ee okka vishayam lo compromise authada?

entha manchi scheme aina, concerned official vedhava aithe corruption untundi. For lack of better example, Kanchi swami meeda allegations nijam anukundamu, oka min, daniki kanchi peetham motham cheddadi aipodu kada. Dani goppathanam podu kada.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:01 pm:       


Indiarocks:

tappu ledu mastaru, opposition aithe banda bootulu tittali annadaniki alavatu paddamu. constructive criticism alavatu avvali ante time padutundi.



mastaru .. ekkada tappu avutundi ante .. opinions diametrically opposite aipothe .. adi tappu .. which means .. either you were entirely wrong then .. or entirely wrong now ..

Indiarocks:

Ika buttering up Cong choodali ante, go and watch "JP on Arogyasree" video.



vaammo vaddu .. NREGA scheme meeda Delhi lo ekkado Rahul Gandhi ni ettatam choosanu .. assalu lopaalu leni scheme adi idi ani .. cut cheste .. within 6 months andulo corruption bayata padindi .. JP ante manchi feeling ee undi kaani .. ila konni issues lo compromise aithe ibbandi anipistundi .. :D
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:54 pm:       


Kamal:

certainly butters who ever is in the govt .. thats a feeling I get whenever his statements have subtle undertones .. latest aithe Telangana and Muslim reservations issue !




tappu ledu mastaru, opposition aithe banda bootulu tittali annadaniki alavatu paddamu. constructive criticism alavatu avvali ante time padutundi. Without being positive how can you ask for anything to be done?

Ika buttering up Cong choodali ante, go and watch "JP on Arogyasree" video.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:46 pm:       


Indiarocks:

btw, JP has been giving the Guj example post 2004.



cheppanu ga .. leave abt Guj .. it cannot be ignored even by Congress itself .. so tappadu ..
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:45 pm:       


Indiarocks:

Ikapothe JP tho pani chesina vallu ani vague gaa enduku, why
dont you spit out what you have.



I cant .. they are still in service .. simple ga cheppali ante .. JP can get things done fast .. you understand whatever you get from that ..

Indiarocks:

98-2004 em cheppado, he is saying the same. Difference
undi ani prove chesthe, I will agree. Atleast an example.
Ika Cong idivaraku thappulu chesindi kabatti ippudu em chesina
oppose cheyali ante no case.



his ideas regarding liberalising economy, dis-investment, SEZ allocation, judiciary etc .. chaala maarayi according to govts at the helm .. you can check his statements from time to time .. nenemi JP statements anni track cheyyaledu .. but he certainly butters who ever is in the govt .. thats a feeling I get whenever his statements have subtle undertones .. latest aithe Telangana and Muslim reservations issue !
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:41 pm:       

btw, JP has been giving the Guj example post 2004.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:40 pm:       


Kamal:

98-2004 his statements were closer to BJP in ideas .. 2004 - till date .. his ideas have more of pro-Congi tone .. he is no saint .. adi okati oppukunte chaalu .. some people who worked with him, under him can tell you some things about that .




98-2004 em cheppado, he is saying the same. Difference
undi ani prove chesthe, I will agree. Atleast an example.
Ika Cong idivaraku thappulu chesindi kabatti ippudu em chesina
oppose cheyali ante no case.

Ikapothe JP tho pani chesina vallu ani vague gaa enduku, why
dont you spit out what you have.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:32 pm:       


Indiarocks:

Rest me JP ki Cong color.



color emi kaadu .. thats my feeling .. 98-2004 his statements were closer to BJP in ideas .. 2004 - till date .. his ideas have more of pro-Congi tone .. he is no saint .. adi okati oppukunte chaalu .. some people who worked with him, under him can tell you some things about that .. but yes, even if he has some bad qualities .. he is not evil like many other politicians .. that I accept !
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:29 pm:       

If it is sensible JP does not hesitate to give something as an
example. He praises MMS as a honest person, and can give
Guj as an example. Country takes precedence over parties.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:20 pm:       


Indiarocks:

JP gives Gujarat as an example many times to say how better they are
doing. Something for you to cheer about. Mee Dattanna, Kishen reddy kooda
antha publicity ivvatla. :D




Datanna ki evaranna seppina daanni batti ideas/opinions frame chesukuntaaru .. pedda thinker kaadu .. knowledgable kaadu .. RSS/BJP/Mazdoor Sangh lalo matladeve repeat chestadu aayana .. Kishen is a bit different .. my dad says .. he has good knowledge .. konni topics meeda he can go at lengths .. but problem is .. aa areas are few ani ..

regarding JP .. his opinions are 60% similar to Sangh ideology wrt governance .. though he has a bit of that Gandhian (Grama Swarajya) , Communist ideology .. okka religion and culture tappisthe .. his views are similar .. so no wonder he takes Guj as the example .. Guj is hard to ignore .. it even got awards from Rajiv Gandhi foundation headed by Ms. Sonia Gandhi as the best governed state for 2 consecutive years ..

recent news about Modiland is .. Guj Muslims are the most prosperous muslims among all their Indian counterparts !!!
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:13 pm:       

Btw, JP gives Gujarat as an example many times to say how better they are
doing. Something for you to cheer about. Mee Dattanna, Kishen reddy kooda
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:04 pm:       


Indiarocks:

Since when are they speaking for AP?



oh .. AP varakena .. aithe nenu shut up aipotha !!! :-)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 06:03 pm:       


Kamal:

there are many .. we just ignore to see ..

do you know of Murli Manohar Joshi .. ? Do you know of Karan Singh from Congress? they are just examples .. we have good number of such people !




Since when are they speaking for AP?
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Saying that bad politics drives away good economics, he said that the Carriage Repair Workshop at Tirupati could be developed into a coach manufacturing plant with a few hundred crores of investment. Instead, the Railway Minister proposed construction of a new plant in West Bengal at a cost of a few thousands of crores of rupees



this is a good one .. I do not know what happened .. but that was considered in 2003-05 time .. that much I know ..

Indiarocks:

Show me one other politician who pointed out so many things, instead of giving out the usual rant.


there are many .. we just ignore to see ..

do you know of Murli Manohar Joshi .. ? Do you know of Karan Singh from Congress? they are just examples .. we have good number of such people !
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:53 pm:       


Indiarocks:

Historically we had railways taking 80% cargo transport



mastaru .. you have to take the statistics into consideration when you talk this .. after the road network is developed .. the cargo has quantum leaped manyfolds .. 100 tonnes unde rojullo 80% undatam pedda vishayam kaadu .. (just an example) .. I read somewhere that after 2002 .. the exports grew .. 75% in just one year .. owing to reduced times to transport goods to ports .. ika after that every year .. the produce is rapidly increasing in every nook and corner of the country ..

Indiarocks:

Kothaga develop chesedi enti. Railways failed to keep their share. They failed to invest in the right areas. That is what happened.



I dont think .. you have a magnitude of the money needed for a separate freight corridor, which only can retain railways as the primary mode of transport for cargo, I think we need 25 lakh crores or so for developing such a network .. ade road network made it possible with 3 lakh crores .. simply India could not afford a cost like that previously ..
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:46 pm:       


Kamal:

banda boothu .. SCR emanna cash cow anukuntunnara? It became profitable only lately .. along with many other zones !!! I do not think .. it can build a separate freight corridor on its own .. given the issues involved in building one such thing ..

btw .. SCR .. ye rendu towns madhya lo kattaali? Hyderabad with what? max ante Vizag, Guntur .. even Vizag today is in a different zone .. Chennai
, Bangalore, Mumbai are all different zones .. it does not work that way ..




I mean SCR could have joined forces with other zones to take up the joint project. Ante corridor ante within SCR build cheyala? Idem logic mastaru?

Kamal:

boothu aithe kaadu .. but yes .. railways are better in that aspect of cargo/freight .. kaani railways ni develop cheyyadam is relatively hard ! it takes more effort and money .. investments/costs are astronomical to develop railways !




enni yrs nundi undi problem? Historically we had railways taking 80% cargo transport, A very good thing. I think it came from the british. Now we have moved towards road transport. which we know is not good in any sense. Kothaga develop chesedi enti. Railways failed to keep their share. They failed to invest in the right areas. That is what happened.

Another good point.

"Saying that bad politics drives away good economics, he said that the Carriage Repair Workshop at Tirupati could be developed into a coach manufacturing plant with a few hundred crores of investment. Instead, the Railway Minister proposed construction of a new plant in West Bengal at a cost of a few thousands of crores of rupees."

JP cheppindi 100% word to word follow aipovali ani cheppatledu, probably aayana kooda ila cheppadu anukunta. Show me one other politician who pointed out so many things, instead of giving out the usual rant.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:38 pm:       


Indiarocks:

With better control on budget SCR could have completed the cargo corridor within no time. Solution is to leave large distance travel to trains, and short distance to roads.



banda boothu .. SCR emanna cash cow anukuntunnara? It became profitable only lately .. along with many other zones !!! I do not think .. it can build a separate freight corridor on its own .. given the issues involved in building one such thing ..

btw .. SCR .. ye rendu towns madhya lo kattaali? Hyderabad with what? max ante Vizag, Guntur .. even Vizag today is in a different zone .. Chennai, Bangalore, Mumbai are all different zones .. it does not work that way ..

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Long distance cargo ki roads vadatam anedi boothu. It makes sense in no way, either wrt diesel consumption, or time, or traffic, or pollution.



boothu aithe kaadu .. but yes .. railways are better in that aspect of cargo/freight .. kaani railways ni develop cheyyadam is relatively hard ! it takes more effort and money .. investments/costs are astronomical to develop railways !

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hello assumption evaridi? meeru mention chesina places ki interior land tho connection lekunda zones formation ledu. I mean each border state is in a zone headquartered in a city in the interior land.


evaru chepparu? J&K, Arunachal, Himachal etc .. zones pettachu ga ikkada ..
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:30 pm:       

Btw, ten stations to get international stds, not even ONE from AP.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:28 pm:       


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adi entha pedda impediment oo aalochinchakunda .. assumptions ani gaali lo matladithe ela???




hello assumption evaridi? meeru mention chesina places ki interior land tho connection lekunda zones formation ledu. I mean each border state is in a zone headquartered in a city in the interior land.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:24 pm:       


Kamal:

Railways lo freight corridor was being proposed from atleast 15 years .. NDA time lo .. Mumbai - Delhi ki cheyyalani choosaru .. but you cannot do everything once .. Road network building lo saripoyindi mottam energy (read money, resources) .. while you have done a great job listing the negatives with more population taking to roads .. you chose to ignore the larget benefits .. oka Guntur lo Chilli/Cotton/Tobacco farmer ni adigithe cheptaru .. how the road network changed their fortunes .. Chennai airport/harbour is only 8 hour drive now (max) .. which used to be 13-14 hours earlier .. now they are exporting the material to foreign lands and earning .. foreign exchange to the country ..




Trains are faster, cheaper than road kaada? With better control on budget SCR could have completed the cargo corridor within no time. Solution is to leave large distance travel to trains, and short distance to roads.

Long distance cargo ki roads vadatam anedi boothu. It makes sense in no way, either wrt diesel consumption, or time, or traffic, or pollution.

Autonomy isthe mathram different zones India pakistan la kottukovala? can't they cooperate? Kinda howrah example icharu, in and around Howrah lines veyyali ante, I seriously doubt how much weight is given to the train traffic from the south, or some other place far away.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:21 pm:       


Indiarocks:

You are assuming things.



saaru .. akkada .. meedi .. mee JP garidi .. short sighted vision .. "each zonal railway be given total autonomy and treated as an independent profit center" .. idi implement cheste .. border zones railways anni defunct aipotaayi .. adi entha pedda impediment oo aalochinchakunda .. assumptions ani gaali lo matladithe ela???

Indiarocks:

J&K, aurnachal ki separate railway zone ledu. They are part of the northern railway, in which Delhi, Haryana, and good portion of punjab are also a part of.



ade mastaru .. meeru miss avutunna point .. large parts of border areas need to be connected to the mainstream India .. adi jaragaali ante .. total autonomous system lo kudaradu ani cheptunna .. check back on the zones from North India and come back .. there are lots of zones there .. and the zone which has J&K, Arunachal, Uttaranchal etc .. moothabadatayi .. revenues leka !!!
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:16 pm:       


Indiarocks:

Anduke cargo transport thru railways 80% to 20% padipoindi. With road transport taking it over, more pollution, more accidents, more traffic.



though I agree with the intent of this point .. why do you or JP think "total autonomy" will provide an answer to this situation? Road transport improve avvadam owes to the "Golden Quadrilateral" .. not due to anything else ..

Railways lo freight corridor was being proposed from atleast 15 years .. NDA time lo .. Mumbai - Delhi ki cheyyalani choosaru .. but you cannot do everything once .. Road network building lo saripoyindi mottam energy (read money, resources) .. while you have done a great job listing the negatives with more population taking to roads .. you chose to ignore the larget benefits .. oka Guntur lo Chilli/Cotton/Tobacco farmer ni adigithe cheptaru .. how the road network changed their fortunes .. Chennai airport/harbour is only 8 hour drive now (max) .. which used to be 13-14 hours earlier .. now they are exporting the material to foreign lands and earning .. foreign exchange to the country ..

but yes, I am all for developing a separate freight corridor between Delhi, Mumbai, CHennai, Kolkata, Hyderabad and Bangaluru .. hopefully .. somebody can achieve that in the next 10 years !!!
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:14 pm:       


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dhi POLITICS valla. nothing more than that. Railway Minister sarigga chesthe,

anni sarigga untai. no need to change present SYSTEM




aunu last 30yrs lo sarigga chese okka minister thagalledu manaki.

No need to change present system aa, andukena 80% cargo transport share unnadi 20% ki padipoindi? Enni trains, enthamandi travel chestunnaru ani Lalu Bihar ki anni trains vesukunnadu?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:11 pm:       


Kamal:

J&K cannot afford a railway on its own in the Himalayas .. same way .. Arunachal ..

manaki defense ki .. aam aadmi ki different rail networks scene ledu desam lo inka ! total autonomy techaaka .. central govt cannot /will not pay attention to developing rail networks in those disadvantaged zones/states !!!




saaru, total autonomy ni pattukuni national integrity daaka vellipoyavu. Nuvvu cheppinatlu vadilesthe, asalu central railway ministry ni radhu cheyamani cheppevallu kada? Paiga defense ki provision pettaddu, etc. ani cheppara? You are assuming things.

J&K, aurnachal ki separate railway zone ledu. They are part of the northern railway, in which Delhi, Haryana, and good portion of punjab are also a part of.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:05 pm:       


Kamal:

. non-profitable zones like Bihar and Bengal are making hay with the earnings of Andhra/TN .. adi kontha varaku change cheyyali ..




adhi POLITICS valla. nothing more than that. Railway Minister sarigga chesthe,

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:04 pm:       

Nobody here is asking for the removal of the central railway ministry.
Only thing that is being proposed here is that each zone be treated as in individual profit center. With that done, if each zone has more autonomy on budgets, they can allocate funds based on their individual revenues. Deenike manaki national integrity, China ante, inkem cheppalem.

Anduke cargo transport thru railways 80% to 20% padipoindi. With road transport taking it over, more pollution, more accidents, more traffic.

Mana state lone already start aina line projects ki 3600crs kavali ante, whole country lo lines kosam icindi 4300crs. Ila aithe enni decades ki poorthi authayi?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:02 pm:       


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ala kudaradu ane kada anedi.. railways are centrally owned subsidized transport.We are better off the way we are.. ledu changes cheyali ani edo cheyataniki try chesthe US big cities lo mass transit systems laga avuthadi mana railways kuda..



I am not proposing 'total autonomy' .. I am a big supporter of the middle path .. endukante .. in the present set-up .. non-profitable zones like Bihar and Bengal are making hay with the earnings of Andhra/TN .. adi kontha varaku change cheyyali .. taking everything into consideration and not trading-off national security and integrity .. jagratta ga cheste .. I think it will make good sense ..
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:59 pm:       


Kamal:

every month revenue ni SCR nunchi .. Delhi lo Rail Nilayam khatha lo jama kattadam aapi .. it can be changed a bit




ala kudaradu ane kada anedi.. railways are centrally owned subsidized transport.We are better off the way we are.. ledu changes cheyali ani edo cheyataniki try chesthe US big cities lo mass transit systems laga avuthadi mana railways kuda..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:58 pm:       


Indiarocks:

Why are you talking about states being able to afford? States Govts don't pay. Military needs kosam provisions can always be made.



States pay 50% these days .. second thing is .. if only profit is the motive to total zonal autonomy .. that policy is not good for the nation .. bcoz .. J&K cannot have a railway laid .. because .. J&K cannot afford a railway on its own in the Himalayas .. same way .. Arunachal ..

manaki defense ki .. aam aadmi ki different rail networks scene ledu desam lo inka ! total autonomy techaaka .. central govt cannot /will not pay attention to developing rail networks in those disadvantaged zones/states !!!
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:57 pm:       


Getafix:

zonal autonomy ani inko layer endhuu create cheyyatam.. central govt indivisual states ki handover chesthe set.. every state kottuka chasthayi leda road transport system laga evadi trains vaade nadupukuntad on common rail tracks..kiki.




yep. railways central unit gaa undatame better. At the same time, some % of revenue zone ki vellali. ade solution. ekkuva alochiste modatike mosam.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:54 pm:       


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India rocks tammi. u need to understand whole railway as 1 unit.

nee SCR bagundi ani, 10 trains to Howrah esav anuko,

akkada EAST coast bad position lo undi, track upgrade cheyyaledu anuko,

nee HYD-HOWRAH trains anni M authai.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:52 pm:       


Kamal:

mastaru .. meeru koncham deep ga alochinchaali ..

do you know what facilitates the Chinese to threaten India
through military .. simple logic .. they laid rail tracks till India border .. vaallaki military deploy cheyyadam adee too easy .. aa advantage is always showing in terms of national security .. border states like J&K, Arunachal, Manipur, Mizoram can never afford to have railways .. if "total autonomy" comes into play .. mimmalni/JP ni criticize cheyyalsina avasaram naakenti?




Total autonomy ante military needs ni ignore cheyamana. Are we not reading too much into the lines?

Kamal:

aa advantage is always showing in terms of national security .. border states like J&K, Arunachal, Manipur, Mizoram can never afford to have railways ..



Why are you talking about states being able to afford? States Govts don't pay. Military needs kosam provisions can always be made.
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Getafix:

zonal autonomy ani inko layer endhuu create cheyyatam.. central govt indivisual states ki handover chesthe set.. every state kottuka chasthayi leda road transport system laga evadi trains vaade nadupukuntad on common rail tracks..kiki.



ya .. thats correct .. anduke .. what needs to be done is .. restructuring finance distribution of railways .. till the point that it does not negate the advantages we have now .. every month revenue ni SCR nunchi .. Delhi lo Rail Nilayam khatha lo jama kattadam aapi .. it can be changed a bit .. so that .. the local units do not loose money and at the same time .. so key units do not loose the privileges .. simple ga balancing act anthe !!
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:50 pm:       

india lo 85 airports unnai. handfull are only revenue. rest 70 odd moosedhama
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:49 pm:       


Indiarocks:

total autonomy, ante mana vizag, hyd line double cheyali ante center vadu vidilche paisalu kosam wait cheyyakkarledu. How will the central minister from Bengal, or the principal railway secretary from some other place, address the pressing problems of SCR?




appudu PRICE kooda separate untadi. can u agree on that. hyd-vizag doubling but rate is 100 rs more ante.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:48 pm:       

zonal autonomy ani inko layer endhuu create cheyyatam.. central govt indivisual states ki handover chesthe set.. every state kottuka chasthayi leda road transport system laga evadi trains vaade nadupukuntad on common rail tracks..kiki.
 

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Indiarocks:

enti boothu, mari Eastern railway daily 6cr loss unte, last 2 terms lo enni trains icharu, enni industries icharu.Adi boothu kaada?



mastaru .. nenu partial autonomy manchidi ani cheppanu .. not "total autonomy" ..

Kamal:

but fair representation and money sharing in normal times is a good idea !



anduke normal times lo fair distribution of resources is correct .. but that cannot be the policy always ani cheptunna .. natural calamities and national threats .. rendu drustilo pettukuni policy frame cheyyali .. edo guddiga .. AP ki nastam jarigindi 2 decades ani .. total autonomy ante comedy ga untundi ..
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:46 pm:       

India lo railways are state owned susbsidized transport.. performance and budget allotment ki relation undadhu.. needbased pov lo jaruguthundi budgeting...entha chedda socialistic desam kada.. so ekkada profit generate avuthe akkada invest cheyali anna rule em ledu... we dont operate that way.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:44 pm:       


Kamal:

Railways integrate the country .. if North-East is alienated .. it makes the job of China easy !!!




Ippudu North eastern railway ni complete gaa teeseyyamani evaru chepparu?

Kamal:

nope .. I think you know about Konkan railway .. by itself .. Konkan could never have got what it has now .. so think why "total autonomy" is bull-shit .. I am all good with partial autonomy !!!




total autonomy, ante mana vizag, hyd line double cheyali ante center vadu vidilche paisalu kosam wait cheyyakkarledu. How will the central minister from Bengal, or the principal railway secretary from some other place, address the pressing problems of SCR?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:44 pm:       


Indiarocks:


telangana dabbu, state motham invest cheyocchu , ikkada emo autonomy/profit anta...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:43 pm:       


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babu maree prathidi criticize cheyali ani kakapothe. how is this related to national integrity? We are talking only greater autonomy zone wise, esply on budgets, and profits. We are not talking state Govts taking it over.



mastaru .. meeru koncham deep ga alochinchaali ..

do you know what facilitates the Chinese to threaten India through military .. simple logic .. they laid rail tracks till India border .. vaallaki military deploy cheyyadam adee too easy .. aa advantage is always showing in terms of national security .. border states like J&K, Arunachal, Manipur, Mizoram can never afford to have railways .. if "total autonomy" comes into play .. mimmalni/JP ni criticize cheyyalsina avasaram naakenti?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:41 pm:       


Kamal:

idi boothu .. monna 2004 tsunami lo .. Southern Railway naddi virigindi .. individual profit centres prakaram chooste .. TN lost rail connectivity due to nature's fury !!! ala ani vadileyyalemu ga .. but fair representation and money sharing in normal times is a good idea !




enti boothu, mari Eastern railway daily 6cr loss unte, last 2 terms lo enni trains icharu, enni industries icharu.Adi boothu kaada?

TN lost rail connectivity aithe, does it happen every yr. Asalu vadileyyatam enti? TN lo rail connectivity pothe, malli southern railway ne build cheyali kani Easter railway vachi build chestunda?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:40 pm:       


Indiarocks:

saaru confuse authunnavu. Pravtization gurinchi ekkada anna unda?



lol .. antha ledu akkada .. Govt of India wanted to privatize Indian railways .. when railways was a loss making unit .. andulo first point is .. autonomy to zones .. so that .. the process can be rolled out in steps !!! this point comes from the same thought ani antunna !

Indiarocks:

Mundu evaru chepparo selavisthe telsukuntamu.


check many railway budget responses of the last 15 years .. I am sure .. you will find the same response .. atleast by 10 people ..

Indiarocks:

Railway line lekapothe China vadu kalpukovadam enti?



Railways integrate the country .. if North-East is alienated .. it makes the job of China easy !!!

Indiarocks:

SCR generates 5Cr profit per day. Intha profitable railways nuvvu cheppina scenario vasthe can help itself, kaada



nope .. I think you know about Konkan railway .. by itself .. Konkan could never have got what it has now .. so think why "total autonomy" is bull-shit .. I am all good with partial autonomy !!!
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:40 pm:       

india rocck. assam lo petrol 10rs litre vundha. vundacchu kadhaa.

central takes whole india as 1 unit, not resources/revenue wise
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:38 pm:       


Kamal:

thats correct .. not always .. is de-centralisation the apt thing !!! care has to be taken .. not to fragment national integrity !!! sometimes too much autonomy foments trouble !




babu maree prathidi criticize cheyali ani kakapothe. how is this related to national integrity? We are talking only greater autonomy zone wise, esply on budgets, and profits. We are not talking state Govts taking it over.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:38 pm:       

current india scene ki workout kaaadu ee type solutions.

imagine assam, produce chese oil ki state ekkado undali, but ekkado undhi.

profit linked automisn kastam le
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:36 pm:       


Indiarocks:


Enduku, there are huge disparities in revenue generation among zones. SC railway ki too much injustice for decades. Ye area lo generate aina revenue, aa area lo ekkuva spend cheyali anatam very fair.



ee point varake bagundi ..

Indiarocks:

Dr. JP also suggested that each zonal railway be given total autonomy and treated as an independent profit center.



idi boothu .. monna 2004 tsunami lo .. Southern Railway naddi virigindi .. individual profit centres prakaram chooste .. TN lost rail connectivity due to nature's fury !!! ala ani vadileyyalemu ga .. but fair representation and money sharing in normal times is a good idea !
Only'truth' (post 58485) - tellalists chesina vaatiki amaayaka muslims ni champadam india lo aacharaam
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:35 pm:       


Kamal:

mastar .. ee so-called solution chala mandi chepparu previously




JP first cheppadu ani nenu ekkada analedu. Mundu evaru chepparo selavisthe telsukuntamu.

Kamal:

North_east India
does not have the potential to maintain a railway .. andukani .. akkada profit ledu ani rail track lekapothe .. China vaadu kalipesukuntaad .. the solution lies somewhere in between .. not this side or that side !!! total privatization kooda manchidi kadu ..




saaru confuse authunnavu. Pravtization gurinchi ekkada anna unda? Ekkuva zonal autonomy ante artham enti? China vadu kalipesukune comedy aithe no comments. Railway line lekapothe China vadu kalpukovadam enti?

Kamal:

repu Andhra coast lo cyclone vachi .. railways disturb aithe .. Maharashtra vadu contribute chestada meeru cheppina scenario lo?




SCR generates 5Cr profit per day. Intha profitable railways nuvvu cheppina scenario vasthe can help itself, kaada?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:33 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:


endhuko edhuru dhebba thaguluthundhemo anipisthundhi....



thats correct .. not always .. is de-centralisation the apt thing !!! care has to be taken .. not to fragment national integrity !!! sometimes too much autonomy foments trouble !
Only'truth' (post 58485) - tellalists chesina vaatiki amaayaka muslims ni champadam india lo aacharaam
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:32 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

endhuko edhuru dhebba thaguluthundhemo anipisthundhi....




Enduku, there are huge disparities in revenue generation among zones. SC railway ki too much injustice for decades. Ye area lo generate aina revenue, aa area lo ekkuva spend cheyali anatam very fair.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:32 pm:       


Indiarocks:

Problem ni point out cheyadame kadu, solution kooda.



mastar .. ee so-called solution chala mandi chepparu previously .. problem is .. let us say .. North_east India does not have the potential to maintain a railway .. andukani .. akkada profit ledu ani rail track lekapothe .. China vaadu kalipesukuntaad .. the solution lies somewhere in between .. not this side or that side !!! total privatization kooda manchidi kadu ..

repu Andhra coast lo cyclone vachi .. railways disturb aithe .. Maharashtra vadu contribute chestada meeru cheppina scenario lo?
Only'truth' (post 58485) - tellalists chesina vaatiki amaayaka muslims ni champadam india lo aacharaam
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:29 pm:       

kani ee decentralize good or bad I dont know, poor will be poor and rich becmoe rich
RahulGandhi/JP/Chiru
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:29 pm:       


Indiarocks:

Problem ni point out cheyadame kadu, solution kooda. I think this will solve all the regional favoritism, and injustice problems for good


peddayana cheppadu sare..are the zonal railways being made autonomous?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:28 pm:       


Indiarocks:




endhuko edhuru dhebba thaguluthundhemo anipisthundhi....
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 04:24 pm:       

"Dr. JP also suggested that each zonal railway be given total autonomy and treated as an independent profit center. The South Central Railway earned a daily profit of Rs.5 crore while the Eastern Railway incurred a daily loss of Rs.6 crore. For want of autonomy, the SC Railway has not been able to address the pressing needs of people in the region whereas thanks to political patronage the Eastern Railway continued to bag many projects."

Problem ni point out cheyadame kadu, solution kooda. I think this will solve all the regional favoritism, and injustice problems for good.
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