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Guttonkay Comedian Username: Guttonkay Post Number: 1989 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.87.67.135 Rating: |
well what is wrong when the better takes the role... anta septharu mari unna parties anni reservations thokka thol ani dol kodthayee... and public still supports them... lolll ... why just cry on the minority issue? ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- arjun bhai, meeru joke vesaranukuni nenu joke vesa. meedi serious question ayite this is my take aa kalam lo arjunudi raju gari abbayi, krishnudi ki, dronudiki preetipatrudu kabatti pakshapatam choopincharu. ekalavyudi vishayam lone kadu, karnudi vishayam lo kooda. All of us feel bad about it, but aa kalam ki anugunam ga ala jarigindi. ippati kalam lo chala vishayallo peddinti vadu, powerful vadu neggutadu. ala kakunte minotiry group vadu, reservation vunnavadu neggutadu. bocchuboldu mandi vunnaru open castes lo manchi chaduvu vundi kooda vudyogalu leka. ila endukundi ante mana politicians valana. mana duradrishtam. Everyone wants things to change for better. We all want a reasonable utopia. It's hard to achieve that in India as long as we have politicians with vested interests at the top, doesn't matter waht party they belong to. | ||
Netsaint Junior Artist Username: Netsaint Post Number: 330 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 75.185.19.223 Rating: N/A |
GuttiVankaya, mee dappolam pulusu enthavaraku vachindi. | ||
Arjun1234 Side Hero Username: Arjun1234 Post Number: 2531 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.6.29.85 Rating: N/A |
well what is wrong when the better takes the role... anta septharu mari unna parties anni reservations thokka thol ani dol kodthayee... and public still supports them... lolll ... why just cry on the minority issue? Winners never cheat... even in difficult times. | ||
Guttonkay Comedian Username: Guttonkay Post Number: 1987 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 148.87.67.135 Rating: |
Mahabharat lo Karnudu Ekalavydu were better archers... Ekalavyudu BG enti... athanu ela nerchukunnad etc... but then why Krishnudu and Drona wanted Arjun as # 1... why so much xyz for Arjun????.... ------------------------------------------------------------ -------- appudu raju gari koduku, krishnudiki priyapatrudu kabatti arjunudanta pakshpatham. ade mahabharatam ippudu jarigite, ekalavyudu turakam matladite, arjununni class lonchi bayataki pampi mari ekalavyudini goppavanni chestaru. j/k | ||
Arjun1234 Side Hero Username: Arjun1234 Post Number: 2530 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.6.29.85 Rating: N/A |
Mahabharat lo Karnudu Ekalavydu were better archers... Ekalavyudu BG enti... athanu ela nerchukunnad etc... but then why Krishnudu and Drona wanted Arjun as # 1... why so much xyz for Arjun????.... Winners never cheat... even in difficult times. | ||
Jawmetri Junior Artist Username: Jawmetri Post Number: 233 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 59.93.52.178 Rating: N/A |
From day one this was quackery, the media didnt care about the truth, they only wanted celebrities and the jingoists hated the people who didnt believe. Once the facts are out, these news 'manufacturers' quietly move to something different. The fact that this kind of dubious news sells also speaks something about a section of the newsreaders. In some official function,The bimbette Central Minister Purandeshwari even went to the extent of quoting the fake "35% of NASA are Indians blah blah blah" mail in its entirety to demonstrate the achievements of the indians. | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1815 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: |
Bjp first tried to push p.c.alexander...maino congress was dead against it because he had long association with nehru family and he was no longer their favourite...so finally decided on kalam to force consensus | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4376 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 148.159.160.51 Rating: N/A |
very true...kalam was very much the hinduized muslim that BJP wanted at the helm...and thats where I hate BJP too....there needs to be a rationale for adulation or censure | ||
Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 626 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.71 Rating: N/A |
babri tharvatha aina anti muslim image ni soften cheyadaniki power loki raagaaney BJP aadina game kalaam ni prop cheyadam. he was the ideal nationalist muslim for them. cong pushed p.c. alexander as an alternative kaani kalaam ni BJP media lo lepudu, appude nuke tests etc thoti kalaam had the best chance and worked very well for BJP. adhi story. | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4365 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 148.159.160.51 Rating: N/A |
adhega dora seppindhi satish was a far better amninistrator and clearly several light years ahead of kalam, scientifically...then what made the media choose kalam to be propped to super stardom??? 3.) is it some sacrifice to the country?? even on this front, satish left the offer to lead the greatest university on earth to join a ramshackle IIsc and prop into the international elite of research. | ||
Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 2658 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 72.24.92.222 Rating: N/A |
Ikkada better scientist annadi evaru? better scientist ante kalam tho kaada compare chesindi...ippudu impatience evariki mastaru... leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4364 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 148.159.160.51 Rating: |
U clearly suffer with impatience...I clearly said satish was a far superior admin too with track records of maintaining world class reserach organization in India...does that sound like science to u?? | ||
Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 2657 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 72.24.92.222 Rating: N/A |
Nenu refined oo kado naku telsu, keep ur judgement with yourself.
Kalam admin, admin antu scientist tho compare chesindi evaru? Mana kinda post ki pai post ki contradiction untundi, inka inkokalla refinedness gurinchi comments aa? I will stop the disc here, coz you take a DB disc too personally. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1814 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.84 Rating: N/A |
bedar narayanan ni malli president cheyyakunda vundataniki....vallu minoritie ki against kadhani secularists ki niroopinchatam kosam bjp loosers ee hype chesaaru...antha kante emi ledhu reason | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4363 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
Navvena edanna point undha disc cheyyadaniki...post chadvatam kooda opika lennappudu disc cheyodhu...edho tokka cuttings koduthu...refined etc anukuni....first post lo clear ga cheppa...kalam as a admin gurinchi ee thread kadhu ani.....kanipinchaledha leka natakama???? it is abt why kalam needs to be propped all of a sudden in 1998 and not before that??? do u get it now?? | ||
Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 2656 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 72.24.92.222 Rating: |
Nobody can "brand" anybody to be a loser, except the one who mentions it first. I don't think even a 9yr old would compare a scientist to an administrator.  leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4360 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
Naaku telisi no progress | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4359 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
it is how we build heros these days....during a 1 hr QA session with burkha dutt in the presence of shabana azmi and mahesh bhatt...or one Dr.Nandy, a pro christian proselytizer who open claimed that India is regressive to follow hinduism....staying in a hindu country | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1812 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.83 Rating: N/A |
missile project status enti ippudu....5 tlo moodu scrap chesinattu vunnaru...migatha agni,prithvi meedha trials nenu 6th class lo vunnapudu nundi vestunnaru... | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4358 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
U will be surprised...ask 1 9 yr old....and u will see the difference...satish was clearly a better scientist by several notches...infact kalam is not even in his league.....and a more adminsitrator...cuz he resurrected ISRO, the missile program and IIsc....during his tenure....leaving opportunities to conduct research at such places like Caltech.....Kalam on a scientific note...wudn't even get through the gates of any respectable institution for he clearly suffers with a lack of credntials...no international peer reviewd pub at the very least | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4357 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
def'ly I concur....but if u just look at this thread as the sample...there was this one indv...who was impatient enough to brand anyone that even Q's the authority of Kalam..as a looser...that my friend is called brain washing.....that is the age and times we reside in where media dictates terms of refinedness and knowledge........ I can bet my life that if kalam were not a muslim there would have been not even one half of this press...which is sad...as the press is ought to be objective pillar which just reports...not glorify..... | ||
Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 41 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 71.126.25.130 Rating: N/A |
I didn't know of his personal story.. but think many know of Satish Dhawan as an accomplished scientist, and he is well-recognized by the govt.. SHAR is named after him too.. If Kalam did not become president, he wudnt hv probly got much exposure.. my point is there is no reason to attribute religion-based malice when it can be explained by so many simpler theses.. and yes, the media projects more the success of underdogs, minorities but that's true for anyone.. if a rare event like black guy becoming a president happens, it gets more play.. the appropriate response to victimhood mentality is not reverse victimhood mentality.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4354 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
where was the press vis-a-vis abdul kalam before 1998?? By 1998 he was almost inactive in any administrative capacity too.....where was the press before the samajwadi party wanted APJ as the president.....and what changed btw 1997 and 1998 wherein he was thrust on to the stage as the role model that every kid needs to look upto???? My point here is lack of rationale in the press...the craving for sensationalism...the hunger for a minority hero at all costs....to pass the muster of refined secularism | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4353 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
It is because of satish sir that the best Indian graduate students get admissions at Caltech and other places....such was his reputation that during 1950's...if u were from IIsc and were in the top 10 of ur class, u were gauranteed a PhD admit at the most prestigious and difficult school on earth | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4352 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
Good point....Do u know satish dhawan...He is the man istrumental in setting up the INSAT programme in India....A poor boy from Srinagar...and how many know that all his family except him and his mother were killed in Sri Nagar....by Kashmiri insurgents from Pok??? Satish is considered in the west and in no small measure at Caltech, as the father of Indian fluid dynamics......yes....He was the distinguished alumni of Caltech....world renowned GALCIT....Hailed as the most finest mathematical fluid dynamicist after Von Korman himself, satish led ISRO and IISc with so much elan and finesse.....Dhawan was the one who engineered the whole PSLV, India's only significant success at indigenous technology thus far How many Indians know of him??? He came from a background which many of us will shudder in tears...with his father and grandfather killed in srinagar as a part of the kashmiri pundit cleansing....his mother cleansed utensils at a rich parsi's place for 6 months to feed him.... So is he not worth the press....for his scientific accomplishments??? | ||
Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 40 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 71.126.25.130 Rating: N/A |
accomplished in quotes imply accomplished in the eyes of media.. - water petrol ramar pillai accomplishments enti? media cannot distinguish between science and quackery.. it just requires celebrities and human interest stories.. emi leni vadu edo saadhinchadu ani chupinchagalagatam.. - "father of green revolution" M.S. Swaminathan accomplishments in science enti? to transplant Norman Borlaug's work in Indian conditions? India lo great scientists ante good science/tech administrators ani media abhiprayam.. it's rooted in the notion that in indian academia a reasonable scientist/researcher ki promotion means an administrative position rather than a bigger research lab.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4349 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
Good point...Is kalam an accomplisher of sorts in any thing pertaining to indian defense...if so can you cite one which he developed | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4348 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
Thats the whole point...Kalam as a scientist and kalam as an administrator are 2 different things....I or anyone else will be a fool to contendd on the latter...adhe cheppa first post lo.....my question was : Is the media doing the right thing by misreporting abt the former??? daniki answer ivvaru gaani personal comments.... | ||
Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 71.126.25.130 Rating: N/A |
Considering the minimal number of Indian achievers in the science/tech fields, media is always looking for "accomplished" individuals to project.. from water petrol ramar pillai to expat indian-origin noble winners.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1802 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.83 Rating: N/A |
much hyped missile program is at the stage of complete failure...kalam may be simple man but enduku antha hype oo ardham kadhu....may be because of his books... | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4345 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
So watlese might be the motive to project him as a nuclear pitamaha....esp someone who is not even trained as a nuclear physicist?? Btw, crooked ittanti padhalu podupuga vadandhi....this is a discusin abt what might have media vested in the projection.......U dont come into a discucsion and use phrases like crooked unless u see more than the other person...do u? | ||
Kindal Comedian Username: Kindal Post Number: 1248 Registered: 09-2007 Posted From: 122.169.211.183 Rating: N/A |
who cares wat Indian media says. darrnes balls to 'em Preminchu Preminchu Premistunee undu  | ||
Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 2654 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 72.24.92.222 Rating: N/A |
AFAIK Kalam has been touted as the "pitamaha" of the nuclear program in India. May be the media is at fault if ppl took him to be scientist. But, claiming that the media projected him so, only coz of his religion, is crooked. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4344 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
If you can understand what is called a premise: the thread was not about kalam as such but how media manufactures consent on people. Dont bring ur personal grouses against me into an argument. There is something called objectivity that shud be borne out of the premise that I laid down. | ||
Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 2649 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 72.24.92.222 Rating: N/A |
And more importantly it is Kalam himself who states that clearly in his book. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 2648 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 72.24.92.222 Rating: |
Kalam nuclear scientist ani, or nuclear physics lo thop ani thread initiator, CBN thappa evaru anukovatledu anukunta. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
Sienfeld Junior Artist Username: Sienfeld Post Number: 447 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 24.91.168.201 Rating: |
Another under achiever who is crying on someone who is more famous. | ||
Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3307 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
The mean pinko press is not exactly enamoured with him.. its the right thinking right leaning who found a meaning and started leaning on him.. Kalam symbolizes the quintessential Hindutva muslim.. no matter the religion.. still firmly rooted in the mores of the land... | ||
Gotcha Side Hero Username: Gotcha Post Number: 5427 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.206.204.119 Rating: N/A |
kalam ki project manager skills valla vachindi peru. i think he did not take no for an answer and gets the project going. so aa vishayam lo we need to appreciate him. gates emaina college graduate, he found MS kada idi ante. education to sambamdam ledu. we never asked them to publish any figures. We just issued the advt, on which they embedded the collections themselves--Allu Sirish | ||
Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 10944 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 71.248.37.199 Rating: |
/is it also not the resp of the same press to report everything abt the man??/ Der anna...mana press gurinchi yentha thakkuva maatlaadukuntee antha manchidi anukuntunna...every one is biased and have an agenda.... CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4303 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 148.159.160.51 Rating: N/A |
This is exactly why I am bothered by today's Indian media that is slwly denigrating to american standards....When u have made some one an icon through press, is it also not the resp of the same press to report everything abt the man?? | ||
Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 10943 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 71.248.37.199 Rating: N/A |
naaku kooda iveemi teliyadu...kaani Kalam antee yenduku ishtam antee.. simple man and straight forward anipisthadi... CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
Guttonkay Comedian Username: Guttonkay Post Number: 1950 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 70.174.128.9 Rating: N/A |
I don't know if Kalam got to where he is/was b'coz of his matham. At least I never thought so. But then I didn't know if he was a physicist or not. I don't think half the country knew or cared. Someone somewhere along the way put some lables on him for whatever reason. I thought he success was more due to the fact that he was well liked and non-controversial and wrote some books that were well liked. I could be wrong. I didn't know he is not a Ph.d either. Rao Gopal Rao ki Andhra Univ gourava doctorate icchinatlu yedo university gourava doctorate icchinda kalam ki? | ||
Jalsagaadu Junior Artist Username: Jalsagaadu Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 69.175.66.2 Rating: N/A |
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Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4302 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 148.159.160.51 Rating: N/A |
infact hindu fundamentalists should have more than a reason to support kalam as he practises hinduism and preaches core hindu tenets of vegetarianism and sanctimony of vedas....but that should never deter us to question us : "Is someone worthy of the names associated with him???" | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4301 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 148.159.160.51 Rating: N/A |
this is just like the shameless propoganda that we resort to when an american Indian wins something. They are not Indian cuz their parents are...they were taught by the american universities and they need to take the credit..... Why is the indian media so enamored of sensationalism...why is so minority hungry that it runs rough shod on all notions sanctity before name throwing..... | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4300 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 148.159.160.51 Rating: N/A |
a.) Indian media always projected Kalam as a nuclear physicist which is a blatant balsphemy. Kalam was an aeronautical engineer and not a physicist by any measure. b.) A tag Dr was ascribed to Kalam and there was no issue raised on how a person with no Phd and No peer reviewed international publication be ascribed that honor. c.) Abdul Kalam was touted as this genius that india needs to look upto when he was rejected by the IIsc to be a tutor coz he failed to clear the credential test. IIsc requires every lecturer to be a Phd with atleast 5 peer reviewed work to ones name. d.) Why is he the missile man of India?? He is credited for PSLV when it was satish dhawan who actually developed it from ground zero. He was just the director of DRDO at that time. e.) why is he even associated with pokran-2 when pokran 2 is actually deemed as afailure?? It was supposed to be a Hydrogen fusion bomb and we failed to acheive it. All we managed to acheive was a fizzle. f.) As the man behind pokhran 1 success put: "Kalam is not even qualified to talk about a fusion bomb cuz he doesn't know a thing abt extraction or refinement. Crtsy: The former chief of Atomic research agency: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/kalam-no-authority-on-pokhran-ii- test/100386-3.html http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_behind-dud-test-row-is- nuke-deal_1286240 | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4299 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 148.159.160.51 Rating: N/A |
This is the classic attitude of modern day intellectuals who get aroused, smitten and enamored of anything that typifies itself as the underdog. The object of dissection here is APJ kalam himself..yes as sacrosanct as Kalam himself. Before anypost in this regard, let me put down the framework with in which I will operate: a.) I have the highest respect for Kalam as a president and his unbiased nature to political leanings. b.) I endorse his reformist idelogies. My reverence stops there and from there on I ask the questions that I need to ask to seek the rationale behind media and its nature of manufacturing consent. |
