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Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1104 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
you are welcome tammi, my son is interested in learning this so I had some of these download and saved off. I would not mind to have more of these if somebody can share it | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1114 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
thanks a lot annai..  | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1103 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.117.61.194 Rating: N/A |
for anybody interested some pdf files on vedic maths http://www.mediafire.com/?y4fncfddmmg | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6926 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
I did not 
I believe there has to be a logical reason for things to happen..the metaphysical has to have a an underlying cause and effect ... An order to the seeming chaos..karma sidhantam appeal ade kada - to explain things that have no apparent cause in this birth Spiritual progress ki kuda cause untundi - JK annaru you can stumble on the truth ani - but as we make each milestone we should be able to go back and map what caused us to stumble on it atleast to understand ourselves Do we need to do it anedi personal preference Inka reading about metaphysical experiences antara - yeah most people like to do it your way...my skepticism becomes a handicap for me in following that route Many roads to the same destination aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1102 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.117.61.194 Rating: N/A |
please dont mistake me, what i meant was it looked like you believe more in practical things which have proofs rather meta-physical or things that have been discussed in this thread. I apologize if i conveyed any other meaning. I am sure you find your way exciting , as for me reading books gives me immense pleasure and a way to discover things unknown to me, practical experiences have only deepened that interest. | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6923 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Meeku emi ardham ayyindo telidu especially in the short interaction But like I said to Chanti annai I prefer not to read about these experiences ahead of time - experience ayyaka research chestanu and I find the meanings/answers I need Its more fun that way - I let my consciousness lead my mind on this treasure hunt instead of my mind leaading the consiousness Okappudu chadivanu chalane books including vastu, panchanga reading, astrology,rituals vipareetam aina chadastam penchukunna..but as the Kundalini rises all these lose relevance Its been an interesting journey aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1102 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
sure annai..meeku veelunapudu upload cheyandi...thanks... ruj204@email.com naa email id.. | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1101 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.117.61.194 Rating: N/A |
vere vedic math books unayi pdf format, interest unte chepandi upload chesi link istanu | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1097 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
thanks cocaiii.. | ||
Cocanada Moderator Username: Cocanada Post Number: 17394 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Sixteen-Simple-Mathematica l-Formulae/dp/8120801636 naa deggara undi Adhurs - An Insurance Industry hit in Demolished centers | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1095 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: |
annai..vedic maths meedha edhayina manchi books unte cheppandi | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1100 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.117.61.194 Rating: |
OBE is more related to awakening of kundalini shakti. I am happy to note that your pragmatic approach has served you well. I would have suggested some books I read but looking at your past posts and your views on god / cosmic laws / past karma i am not sure if you would like them anybody interested or having time to read leave a message here and I will try to upload some ebooks that you can read. this is highly abstract stuff so it requires lot of patience and firstly the inclination to read. | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6922 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Reentry, Depends on the individual - there is no one right approach to spirituality like JK said truth is pathless my skeptical and logical approach has served me very well MS, Good reception of thoughts aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Reentry Junior Artist Username: Reentry Post Number: 817 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 65.198.163.148 Rating: |
anand garu, ilanti vaatiki tharkam vitharkam choodakandi.. ee devuni sannidhilo meeru mee family ni , andharni marichipoyi devuni dhyaanam cheyagalaro athane mee ista daivam.. alaa kaalenappudu meeru ee devunni worship chesinaa okkate... I learnt this from my wife... the only place where she likes to go on weekends is temple and once she is there.. she least bothers about me and kids and keeps on doing meditation... she does not have choice or preference for certain temple. | ||
Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2673 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
UG gari style lo.. thoughtsphere ninchi ippude download ayyindhi ee thought. i dont know why it dint strike me earlier.  the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6921 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Cool - so my thought about tuning your TV was right Thanks, you confirmed my hypothesis aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2671 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
babu kurrol kangaar padakandi, Madonna peru eeda vachindhi enti ani, kaastha research cheyandi... the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2670 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu, nenu eppudo Rama krishna parama hamsa gurinchi chadivindhi gurthu vachindhi, visions across religions ani. Rama krishna paramahamsa experienced different visions when he followed merged himself into different religions. here is a text from wiki, inka complete text undaali na deggara, vethiki post chestha.. In 1866, Govinda Roy, a Hindu guru who practiced Sufism, initiated Ramakrishna into Islam. Ramakrishna said that he "devoutly repeated the name of Allah, wore a cloth like the Arab Moslems, said their prayer five times daily, and felt disinclined even to see images of the Hindu gods and goddesses, much less worship them—for the Hindu way of thinking had disappeared altogether from my mind."[67] According to Ramakrishna, after three days of practice he had a vision of a "radiant personage with grave countenance and white beard resembling the Prophet and merging with his body".[68] At the end of 1873 he started the practice of Christianity, when his devotee Shambu Charan Mallik read the Bible to him. Ramakrishna said that for several days he was filled with Christian thoughts and no longer thought of going to the Kali temple. According to Ramakrishna, one day when he saw the picture of Madonna and Child Jesus, he felt that the figures became alive and had a vision in which Jesus merged with his body. In his own room amongst other divine pictures was one of Christ, and he burnt incense before it morning and evening. There was also a picture showing Jesus Christ saving St Peter from drowning in the water. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 2316 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
This extrapolation is possible only if your spiritual progress is directly caused by the god you are believing in. But if you think in the lines that isthadaviam has nothing to do with your progress but its your soul that is controlling these things, then it really doesn't matter who your isthadaviam is. So demographics become irrelevant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4 | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1099 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
meeru already chepinattu ' Gauri maata' ni pray chestunnatu unnaru. What I am saying is it could well be that in your chart your spiritual upliftment is defined by your prayers to Gauri or the dasa you were passing through at a certain time influenced you to pray to her. I never said your 'personal ishtadaivam or the one according to chart have to be same to attain moksha. your ishtadaivam per your chart helps you to attain that goal is that I have said. The personal ishtadaivam might help you maintain your sense of calm and help you in troubled times. for those who believe in astrology, concept of re-birth and moksha is understood that it is a continuous journey and takes it own course. gods should be seen for their characteristics rather than their physical forms. | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6918 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Nenu adigindi atmakaraka driven ishta daivam gurinchi kadu A lot of people I know have a different atmakaraka:ishtadivam and a deity of choice like I said earlier...I was asking about the second one - what drives it ani Now if your stand is that the two have to be the same for moksha - I do not think so I concur with Kalikaalam's/Chantodu's answer - as you progress you relate to different aspects of divinity with the final step being realising the formless non-duality.. I am not so concerned with horoscope in this aspect as it is a snapshot in time at birth, it ignores free will and your karma since birth which can significantly impact your spiritual journey... if every act and result is predestined then what is the point of morals/right/wrong But that is a whole different discussion aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1095 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
a time lo dasa, transits etc chudali which led to the turnaround and ishta daivam or the god you now pray might also be significant due to the position at that time | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1094 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
mee chart was generated using which software? does it not indicate AK in there? birth details unte pettandi i will try to give details about that | ||
Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 486 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.108.24 Rating: N/A |
okahyd annai, naa chart lo 130, 185, 330 degrees koodaa unnay. am I looking at the correct place? Naham janami keyure naham janami kankane | Nupuretveva janami nityam padabhivandanat || | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1093 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
giving below document i referred uploaded to a site. http://www.mediafire.com/?dizjjd5jddl http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2008/09/random-writin gs-from-vedic-astrologer.html I am not a full time student but this field is of interest to me so I just spend some time now and then. | ||
Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 13200 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
oka separate thread vesukundama? | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1092 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
the planet with highest degrees in your chart is AK | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1091 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
As posted earlier, atmakaraka and ishtadaivam in strictly astrological terms are karmic in nature, the are decided based on your chart. Your birth itself is decided on your past karmas so for you to be born with a certain combination of planets is pre-destined based on your earlier life. As far people remaining devoted to one god through different life's is quite possible astrologically. I am not sure about this may be other friends can share their readings, astrology certainly shows rebirth as a possibility but i am not sure about the continuity part | ||
Bhikhu Side Hero Username: Bhikhu Post Number: 5457 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 72.192.251.64 Rating: N/A |
jeevitham sanka naki poyindi..andaru vidi life waste anukunnaru..aa time lo devud ni adiga ikkada ninchi life set sette ninnu namutha..aa miracle naku na ishta daivam supichadu | ||
Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 9391 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 206.53.147.76 Rating: N/A |
Oka, Can you refer me to the source which says 12th from AK in D-20 | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5126 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
Now, that's an interesting thought... Yeah, don't believe in anything else other than your own hard work. Start the day with a clear thought. Lot of people have some god's picture directly in front of their bed. They look at the GOD after they look at their hands. Look out for the god only after you have tried it with your own hands. If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1090 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
Good morning andi Raju, Anand_n i will come to your point a little later Good to see people with same interests here. Let me explain what I know and I am sure you all know this too. Houses and their significance: 1 House - Life in General 2. Wealth, speech etc 3. courage, siblings, steadfastness, all practical things 4. home, mother, hereditary, roots 5. intelligence, children 6. Enemies, worries 7. spouse, desires, 8. longetivity, vulnerabilities, inheritance, interests in mystery, occult practices, evolution, transformation 9. spirituality, higher learning, dharma, religion 10. profession, reputation, mother, social status,mothers influence on the native 11. friends, protectors, income, gains 12. enlightenment, death, moksha There are different interpretations for ishtadaivam. 1. 12th house from AK in D-9 ( Navamsa) 2. 12th house from AK in D-20 (Vimsamsa) 3. 5th & 9th house in Rasi and planets occupying/owners/being looked(drishti) at by other planets. my readings suggest 12th house from AK in D-20 is more accurate I am thinking Anand_n meant the astrological ishtadaivam ( in most cases I have seen it turns out a persons personal choice coincided with his/her ishtadaivam per chart). | ||
Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 13195 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.24 Rating: N/A |
Tammudu are you an atheist? | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6916 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
You know I am a strong believer in my mother Gauri...who I see as my consciousness I look to her for guidance when I need it and invariably get it As an atheist you probably do not see your consciousness as divine, I do - that is the only difference aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3255 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Even my kids do the same and recite the karagre slokam.. Lakshmi.. Saraswati.. Gowri.. are in our hands.. Could be other practical reasons too.. So that you dont blame someone if something goes wrong saying I saw his face first thing.. Perhaps its good for eyes to focus on closer things to start with.. Perhaps the warmth of the palms provides energy to eyes.. | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6915 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Aa nirguna nirakara brahman allpervasive ga recognise chese state ki chere varike kada forms avasaram Or if you want to persist duality/separation even after reaching that non-duality aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5123 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
Never thought that people like you might also run on low confidence at times  If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6914 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Thank you That is more in line with what I was intuitively thinking - that we gravitate towards the form the soul has affinity to within the options the environment exposes you to ... But then the question that I had yesterday was is that affinity constant thru multiple incarnations of the soul ...Hence the question - does a Shiva devotee remain a Shiva devotee thru all his/her births ... As I am typing this another thought came up - Or is the affinity for this incarnation driven by the karmic balanace you have for the birth ? That would tie the atmakaraka presctription and the natural affinity together Thanks for the link but I do not read about OBE / NDE etc... I am by nature a skeptic and if I read something I will attribute every related experience to my imagination/hallucination stemming from that reading Prefer to be taken by surprise and then research what it means, if anything Onlytruth , Good post (57918) on the drivers to ishtadaivam and you are right about what I meant by Ishtadaivam - your favorite deity - the one that comes first to mind when you need help aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 485 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.108.24 Rating: N/A |
Thank you. intha varaku ista daivam ante ista + daivam anukune vaanni. Anandji ki kooda thanks Naham janami keyure naham janami kankane | Nupuretveva janami nityam padabhivandanat || | ||
Kalikaalam Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam Post Number: 2552 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 173.49.92.228 Rating: N/A |
My 2 cents- Istadaivam anedi mana mind projection. Mind ki Babaa nachithe baaba 'Vupaasanaa daivam" avuthaadu. Ayithe manaku 'Baba' ne yenduku ayyaadu?? Sivudu yenduku avvaledu? ante.. Saadhana chese kramam lo miru vunna sthaayi ki prakruthi(Devudu) mana mind ni daani paiki thosindi. Tharvaatha adi maarochu. aa maarpu anedi konni days avvochu..konni janma lu avvochu. Yedo oak time lo yi mind anedi antham ayinappudu you will get liberated. Appudu devud ledu..deyyamu ledu..manishi ledi..Vunnadi okkate..Yevaro guruvu aaru cheppinatlu" manchi panulu chesinatha maatraana nvvu manchivaadivi kaavu. Durmaargapu panulu chesinappudu nuvvu durmaargduvi kaadu. Nuvvu nuvve.." | ||
Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 13194 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.24 Rating: N/A |
yeah.. i remember now. swasakti ni nammukomana? | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5122 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
y? If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3254 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Yeah.. even I look at my palms when I wake up.. | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5121 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
andulo tension emundi. Chaala mandi nidra melakuva raagane... kallu teriche mundu... they rub their hands and look at their palms first... before looking at anything else. Even if you have not seen anyone doing it... can you GUESS why they might be doing that? If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 9390 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 206.53.147.76 Rating: N/A |
Hyd, They used to look at their palms..coz..they beleived ..what we sow is what we reap Partha, Get JHora software it will do it for you | ||
Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 482 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.108.24 Rating: N/A |
Raju garu, AK ni ela findout chestaru? I have birth chart and navamsa chart. Naham janami keyure naham janami kankane | Nupuretveva janami nityam padabhivandanat || | ||
Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 13193 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.24 Rating: N/A |
ento cheppu..tension pettakunda | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5120 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
yeah, many people drink water as soon as they getup. But think again... there is one thing that many people used to do... before they open their eyes If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 5106 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
maa thathayya ayithe mara chembu lonchi manchi neellu thaagevaadu . | ||
Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 5105 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
wording chusi nenu alane anukunna.. ishtadaivam ante mana choice of devudu ani.. mana ishta daivam kuda astrology chepthe inka ishtadaivam etlavuthundi..probably jathaka daivam ani ante baaguntadi anukuntunna. | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5118 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
Naa lanti vaalu em chebutaaru anedi anyone's guess Anyway, till 8th-9th class one and only ANJANEYA swamy ki pray chesevaadini... asking him to grant me enough strength to face any thing. (Chinnappudu stories alaage chepparu... Anjaneya gives strength etc ani) Tarvata slow gaa.. i started believing in MY SELF. Btw, ee thread lo vunna peddalaki oka chinna question. Have you ever seen/heard what old gen people do as a first thing when they wake up? What do they do immediately or just before opening their eyes? If you know the answer, do you know the significance of that act? If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 10957 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
asalu emi adigaaro layman terms lo explain cheyandi pls. | ||
Shantaram Junior Artist Username: Shantaram Post Number: 392 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 204.45.58.234 Rating: N/A |
kondaveeti newton seppadu ani matram anaku...neek sethuletti dannam edatha | ||
Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 13189 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.24 Rating: N/A |
what do they exactly convey. say one has a birth mark on palm..what does it convey? | ||
Chantodu Side Hero Username: Chantodu Post Number: 8133 Registered: 07-2007 Posted From: 12.34.246.78 Rating: N/A |
Selli,This is my take and what I read from books,On the death of the body, the ether consciousness limited by the heart with some attributes ceases alone to to exist. This was proved scientifically in many cases of reincarnation by Ian stevenson,dr.mike newton ex, a person who has died/ strangled will have same attributes repeated in their new births with birthmarks. Environment/education might have some influence in childhood but eventualy this attribute will make you to attract to diety, and I believe istadaiva in astrological chart has nothing 2 do with your ista daivam. also as per vasista githa ""All the arts acquired by men are lost by lack of practice, but this art of wisdom grows steadily once it rises "" http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html | ||
Onlytruth Legend Username: Onlytruth Post Number: 57919 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 71.169.13.177 Rating: |
 idhi nijamenemo naku avagahana ledhu...........kaani ishtadaivam ante meaning "manaki ishtamaina daivam" ani kaadaaa ? ee thread "manaki ishtamaina daivam elaa decide avutundhi " gurinchi kaadha ? | ||
Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 9388 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.171.233.100 Rating: N/A |
Vja, Naaku telisi only Ketu in the 12 th house from AK in Navamsa chart can give Moksha...as Ketu is the Mokshakaraka | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1758 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: |
brother mana chuttu vunde vaatavaranam kooda manam select chesukundhi kadhu kadha...so mana nature ki edhi suit avutundho lekha manaki edhi praptamo manamu aa environment lo pudataamu ani naa feeling | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1757 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
in navamsa chart 12 house from atmakaraka lo beneficial planets(like venus) vunte higher lokas ki velataaru antaaru nijamena | ||
Onlytruth Legend Username: Onlytruth Post Number: 57918 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 71.169.13.177 Rating: |
Practical ga : Ishta daivam coincidental incidents valana , ledhaa manalni influence jese peddha vallu/pakkana vaalla bhaavajaalam mana paina chupe influence valana MOSTLY set avutundhi. nenu chinnappati nunchi tirupathi venkaseswaraswamy daggaraki ekkuva vellaanu..maa family lo relatives lo andaru velthaaaru...vellevanni....friends andaru vellevaaru...nenu vellevaanni....baguntundhi kuda swami daggara.....kaani enduku affinity ante idhi mob mentality alaage oka anjaneyaswamy temple undedhi maa village lo....eppudu vellevallam...so special bonding...anduke even now-a-days ye temple ki vellinaa anjaneya swamy vigraham chudagane ollanta oka rakamaina spandana ...idhi bonding alaage teenage nunchi shirdisaibaba temples ki vellinappudu prashantatha ga undedhi gaani ,bhakthi bhaavana lo takkuva ga anipinchedhi comparatively.....commericial environment anipinchedhi may be those temples structures,interiors vallanemo.......kaani...intlo oka roju wife shirdi saibaba photos wall ki pettina rojune memu parents kabotunnamu anE shubhavartha doctor cheppindhi..aa roju nunchi shirdi saibaba ante liking.... idhi classic case of mere coincidence but thats how it works alaage maa daggari bandhuvullo oka rich family.. business lu avi debba tini, partners mosam jesi , final ga monthly expenses ki,even pillala school fees ki leni paristithi jerukunnaru..maa aunty as usual kashtallo unna andari laage andaru demullani prardhinchindhi....it did not work out....its going on for years....jesus christ ni baaga prardhinchadam church ki regular velladam kuda chesindhi ..ee lopu aardhika paristhithi lite ga better ayyindhi...settled as christ follower since then........ now they are back to form......its two decades process.....i can see christ took backseat now...idhi necessity | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1756 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
thanks...kontha chadivanu...veelu choosukuni complete chestaa | ||
Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 9387 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.171.233.100 Rating: N/A |
Vjavasi, Ide thread lo list ichanu choodandi for all planets... Venus - Lakshmi | ||
Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 9386 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.171.233.100 Rating: N/A |
Vjavasi, Malefic planets are good for spiritual progress specially during their dasas. The only problem is there might be material setbacks. Sun as Atmakaraka has to keep their Ego in control(afaik). Rahu as AK will be cheated in life but they are better of not retorting to the same.. Itla prathi Atmakaraka ki conditions untayi.. Meeru nenu ichina website follow aithe you will learn all this. | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1755 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
if the 12 th house from AK has venus in navamsa chart then who is ishta daiva | ||
Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 9385 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.171.233.100 Rating: N/A |
Oka, Chinna correction..ishta devata is the lord of the 12th house from where AK is positioned in Navamsa chart and not Vimsamsa(D-20) chart.. If that house is empty then its lord becomes Ishta Devata..if there is a planet there then that planet represents the Ishta Devata.. Again to clarify this Astrological Ishta Devata concept has nothing to do with Ishta Daivam(that original poster was talking about) | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1754 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
atmakaraka sun aithe personality etla vuntundhi...ishta daivam evaru avutaru | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6912 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Atmakarakas and ishtadaivam was a diversion from he original question - can you please answer the question in the first post in the thread ? But to the point above - there are no Gods outside Hindu religion that astrologically can be ishtadaivams obviously since it is Vedic astrology.. and based on the Gods of that time - ippudu Gods in number kuda perigaru kada And if the atmakaraka of a Christian is Ganesha - I am sure Ganesha will still do his duty as the atmakaraka and deliver moksha -irrespective of the religion of the person
Unnadi okka devude aina different people worship in different forms kada aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 588 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.71 Rating: N/A |
ishtamu anedhi mana choice kadhaa annai? mari ishtadaivam mana choice daivam avvali gaa? | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1087 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
oh..ippudu ardham ayyindhi | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1089 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
Ishtadaivam anedi naku baba ishtam or allah ishtam lantidi kadu, it is based on the your astrological chart. As I told in my previous post it depends on certain calculations and that deity is supposed to deliver you from your karma and let you attain moksham based on the rule specified. | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1086 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
nen peddha list ee ichaa... | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1085 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
istam daivam ante okare undala..naa prasnalu silly ga anipisthe maninchandi.. | ||
Cocanada Moderator Username: Cocanada Post Number: 17352 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
okappudu
ishtadaivam concept teliyakunda respond ayyaa  Adhurs - An Insurance Industry hit in Demolished centers | ||
Okahyderabadi Comedian Username: Okahyderabadi Post Number: 1088 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 174.120.248.18 Rating: N/A |
Atmakaraka ante planet with highest degree in our natal chart. Atmakaraka literal meaning - atma means 'soul' and karaka means its 'significator' . Vedic philosophy or astrology says that a soul is reborn because it has unfinished desires that were left unfulfilled in the previous lives and it is born again to get another opportunity to satisfy them. What are these desires? Will they be fulfilled or will you struggle with them? This revealed by the Atmakaraka planet. So Atmakaraka is the planet that will drive a person or atma towards realization of these unfulfilled desires in my opinion. The fact that the soul is born to earth shows that there is a worldly mission for the soul to complete before it is ready to understand the higher self. Experiences teach us to look for our higher self. There cannot be a fast track to moksha or self-realization. So it is important to recognize and complete the material goal- both the pleasant and the unpleasant. Without that achievement, you cannot go into the inner world and find your personal treasure of happiness. Atmakaraka will show you both the soul’s material goals and the spiritual ones. Not all of us can find the ultimate realisation but we can get slowly enlightened. The truly revelation of the soul has to be a personal experience. Atmakaraka shows us the true desires of the soul, whether we recognize them or not depends on us. Isthadaivam is the 12th house from AK in D-20 chart in astrology per some noted astrologers. Ishtadaivam is supposed to liberate the soul spiritually. religion has got nothing to do with a person's karmic influences. naku oka devudu ishtam ayinanta reason valla he/she cannot be delivered in to moksha. technical definition of ishta daivam is the one who will deliver the soul from past karma and in to moksha. | ||
Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 587 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.71 Rating: |
symptoms chepthe disease cheppadamma endhi idhi? | ||
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Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1084 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
enduku navvuthunaru..  | ||
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Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1083 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
hmm interesting.. pff...entha ekkuva alochisthe antha confuse avuthuna..hmm.. | ||
Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 13181 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
Nuvvu ISKON aa? | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 2308 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: N/A |
Have you been to OBERF webpage? loads of info there about this. Sivarathri roju I will be terribly busy. If time permits, might go to the temple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4 | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6911 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Possibly - I was hoping someone would have a more concrete answer... Sivaratri special emiti ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 2307 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: N/A |
It has got to be the latter. Its one of those things that is incomprehensible to mind i.e. reasoning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4 | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 2306 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: N/A |
I think they have to be related to soul more than mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4 | ||
Shantaram Junior Artist Username: Shantaram Post Number: 360 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 204.45.58.234 Rating: |
motham enta mandi devullu vunnaro list edithe ishta daivam evaro septaa | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6910 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Chala kanipistayi - spiritual milestone indicators antaru .. but different people ki same milestones different ga kanapadatayi based on their predeliction towards a particular line of worship For e.g. my mother and I have different ishta daivams and our indicators of the same milestones have been different ... ade ardham avvataledu I believe it is our consciousness guiding us ...But if ishta daivam is a choice of the mind - then is it our mind telling us the state of our soul - or does the mind interpret a signal from the soul into a religious language we can understand ?? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1081 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
got it | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1080 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
evaru annai..
haha ante...anjaneya swami swabhavam chaala istam...anduke ista daivam ayyadu..inka durga matha bhayam tho koodina bhakthi valla istam.. venkateswara swamy lakshmi mata saraswathi mata full close anattu...manasulo unadhi happy ga matadesukunta...andukani istam..karanam telidhu kaani istam anthe.. | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 2305 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: N/A |
...that post was on lighter vein...Brain washing ante vere vallu evaro baagaa ruddhite ane kaadu...but most of the times we were exposed to certain gods more frequently than others. Regional influence kooda untadi...I am talking about childhood influences. AP la venkateshwara swami is ista daivam for most people...just because many of them are exposed to him more than others. Gujarath aa areas lo krishnudu...kerala ayyappa atlaa...of course peddaga ayyekoddi we will be exposed to more variety of gods and our understanding increases. Nenu ippatiki oka 5 gods ni change chesi final ga oka god ki fix ayya... btw, neeku maree ekkuvunnattunnaru istha daivaalu...okaru vinakapothe inkoranaa?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4 | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1079 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
nak ardham kavatledhu..ikkada visions ante devudu kanpinchatam vantivaa?? | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6909 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Most likely possibility Now answer the second part of the question - are visions etc mind warps or are they indicators of the soul's spiritual progress as normally claimed ?
I don't think so atleast want to try to figure out aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1074 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 24.118.242.233 Rating: N/A |
idhi ela annai.. .. naaku anjaneya swami,venkateswara swamy,durga mata,saraswathi,lakshmi mata istam ekkuva..enduku ante telidhu..istam anthe..ee madya natya sastra martial arts gurinchi chadavatam modhalu pettaka sivudu ante istam perigipotundhi..indulo brain washing emundhi.. | ||
Cocanada Moderator Username: Cocanada Post Number: 17338 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
 Anand garu its similar to liking a color or a fruit anukuntunnanu. I am naturally attracted to Krishna. I dont know why. The source is soul / mind is impossible for a human to answer IMO Adhurs - An Insurance Industry hit in Demolished centers | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 2303 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: |
Its mostly an effect of brain-washing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4 | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6908 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Tamilnadu side unnaru inka - used to have a friend who would refuse to go to a shivalayam as he was a Vaishnvite Anyway, discussion sidetrack avutundi jatakala loki that is prescriptive to maximise chances of moksha like you said... I was asking about the tendency to gravitate to a certain God - is it dictated by the soul or the mind ?
This also is a whole other discussion
This implies its a conscious decision of the mind aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Rasputin Moderator Username: Rasputin Post Number: 7024 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
Hmmm...... Chinnappudu ayithe, mana family lo peddalu phalana mana ishta daivam antey adey follow avuthaaru anukuntunnaa. Konchem age vachaaka, ye devudu mana korikalu teerusthe (or teerusthaadani nammakam untundo) adi set anukuntunnaaa. Simple, people are selfish. Getafix: I bet Arjun kuda edo krishnudu tho unna dosti valla mohamatam tho kudina bhayam valla ochina gouravam tho Gita saaram artham ayyndi ani thala oopi untad kani nijanga artham ayyi unadadhu.. hehe | ||
Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 9384 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 206.53.153.217 Rating: N/A |
Naaku telsina list aithe idi Sun - Shiva Moon - Gauri Mars - Hanuman Jupiter - any Guru(Saibaba types) Venus - Lakshmi Saturn - Narayana Mercury- 1 st drekkana aithe Rama the other two aithe Vishnu Rahu - Durga Ketu - Ganesh | ||
Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 9383 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 206.53.153.217 Rating: N/A |
Ippudu pure Vaishnava worship or pure Shaiva worship kante ekkuvaga Smaertha school kada follow authunnadi What you said is a real case for prescribing ishta daivam to someone who is Muslim or Christians | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6906 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
So what do you do when you have a strict Vaishnavite whose Ishtadaivam per the chart happens to be Shaivite ? Do you have equivalent daivams in both lines of worship ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
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Ayana kaadu brother...Avida... CCDB ki pedda dikku type annatlu | ||
Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2632 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
UG statements kontha matuku logical ga dilute ayyi untaayi, ofcourse he and his followers are never open for an argument, adhi vere vishayam. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Rajusk Side Hero Username: Rajusk Post Number: 9382 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 206.53.153.217 Rating: N/A |
Anduke jatakam cheppetappdud kaala mana paristhuthulu choodali antaru.. Ishta daivam according to Vedic Astrology is the lord of the 12th house from Atmakaraka or the planet which is strongest in the 12th house from Atmakaraka in Navamsa chart Ishta daivam is supposed to drive you towards moksha..if you are not anywhere close to attaining it..then the Ishta daivam in chart will not come play..but other gods who appeal to you might become ishta daivam | ||
Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 13168 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.24 Rating: N/A |
I remember a scene in swarna kamalam. Srilakshmi andari devullaki pooja chestoo unte, sakshi ranga rao chepadu..ila andariki cheste, oka devudu vere devudu respond avutadule ani light teesukuntarata. To avoid that one tries to cheat god by saying you are my ista daivam..as if he cares lolz | ||
Kingaa_bongaa Side Hero Username: Kingaa_bongaa Post Number: 7257 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.174.58.20 Rating: N/A |
oh aithe neeku lord balaji naaa? Manaki Manam Kingu, Choosevallaki Bongu. | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6905 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
I am inclined towards that too...some time back when I was talking about my own experiences, Nisarga mentioned UG saying something to the effect of "there is no new thought, we just receive thoughts from a thoughtsphere" So I wonder is it like tuning your tv to a channel and you get visions from that channel  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2629 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
naaku same doubt vachayi, also in the case of people who have converted this changes. i know a guy who got converted around 12 yrs back, and he now visions of daivam from new religion. I also heard budhists have alot of these visions(may be an effect of their meditation). naa matuku brain is involved in all of these anipisthundhi, but do not have anything concrete to support what i feel. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6904 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Answer unte cheppandi Anduke et al ani add chesindi
Yeah another interesting variation - jatakala atmakarakulalo Sai Baba undaru - but he is ishtadaivam for a lot of people...ma cousins ki anni visions Sai baba ve vastayi... How does atmakaraka and ishtadaivam reconcile in such cases ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
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shinna poralandhariki hanuman antey appeal ekkuva.... uth ki sai baba middle n old lord balaji anukuntunna | ||
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kalling baskesh mama aka internet_saint ..... u r the correst person 4 these type of questions | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6903 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Idi telusu But here's the hypothetical question - jatakam is only based on time and place of birth not the religion of the person. Ishtadaivam is based on the religion kada aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Pathfinder Junior Artist Username: Pathfinder Post Number: 904 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 216.191.245.130 Rating: N/A |
et all ani kooda pettaru kada aayana? | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5113 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.221.83.14 Rating: N/A |
manalni invite seyyaledu... only chanti and okahyd ki vachindi invite...If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2626 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
I heard something of this sort. it depends some way on the time of your birth, so it might change per birth, but then again, is the time of birth guided by something else? takes a thought. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Pathfinder Junior Artist Username: Pathfinder Post Number: 903 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 216.191.245.130 Rating: N/A |
Ishta Daivam is defined by Your AtmaKaaraka as per astrology anta varaku telusu know your Atmakaaraka, then you know your Ishtadaivam as well Naaku Suryudu Atmakarakudu, so ishtadaivam Narasimhaswamy ani na jaathakam choosina o peddayana chepparu | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6899 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Poddunna puja ki ready avutunte oka doubt vachindi...evarikaina idea unte cheppandi... Is Ishtadaivam affinity an attribute of the mind or the soul ...i.e. is it predestined ? The only way for it to be predestined would be if it is attached to the soul... If it is attached to the soul , it becomes complicated... Do Shaiva souls remain Shaiva thru multiple births ...Taking it one step higher then religion should stay constant thru multiple births..how do we explain the varying religion demographics..? If I take the logical answer, that it is the mind ...then it is something you develop based on environment/education... Then all visions, OBEs, etc are of the mind too - as most people have visions around their ishtadaivam...does that make all these essentially mind warps? Any reading references would be very helpful as well Thanks in advance.aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale |
