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Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1760 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.58 Rating: N/A |
waiting on more inputs from dbers on time dilation....der FAQ annavu..post cheyyi | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1753 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
brother lorentz equations kooda two inertial frames moving with relative velocity lo time is diffrent ane starting assumption tone derive chesaru anukunta..also they used translational symmetry so that the relationship between space and time in one frame is linear to space and time in the second coordinate system moving with constant velocity...so special relativity ki starting assumptions 1) time is not absolute 2)symmetry between two frames my question is what is the physics behind the slowdown of biological clocks | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1752 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
sorry prastutam nenu indian time zone lo vunnanu.. so ventane respond kaaleka poyanu...twin paradox vishayaniki vaste okavela time dilation true aithe adhi nijangane paradox avvali...because there is symmetry when the twin in the space ship accelarates relative to twin on ground the opposite is also true...in the reference frame of spaceship the twin on earth is also accelarating...same applies to turn around on return trip...so there is symmetry...some say there is change in reference frame during return journey..but w.r.t twin on spaceship the twin on ground also changes his reference frame...so the paradox one should age less compared to the other because of symmetry at every level. If relative time dilation(slow down of all material processes) is related to significant increse in inertial mass with high velocities...i want to know wether this dilation is the effect of changes in material interactions because of relative increase in inertial mass of matter at high velocities...i hope i am clear | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 2312 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.235.198 Rating: N/A |
We need to take Lorentz' contraction, gravitational time dilation (special theory of relativity) and relativity of simultaneity in to considerations. Some think that acceleration is not important but the actual change in the referential frames are. Simple thing is that the person on earth is actually stationary and the other person is "actually" traveling and experiencing the effects of gravity, acceleration and change in referential frames. So when a person moves, he not only travels through the physical 3-D space but also through the time-related dimension which is affected by the above factors. Biological clock always adjusts itself to the surroundings. Just like we loose jet lag after some time. That's why you see proportionate biological aging. Wonder it could be the secret of eternal youth. I hope Einstein's family already has patent on it.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4 | ||
Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 2623 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Der bro antunattu chala topics connect cheyaali ee ishayam analyse cheyali ante.. will follow the discussion.. vjavasi bro, there is a concept called length contraction, you might want to study that. basically it is one of the effects. also try understanding the basics of gravity, and space. space bends and the cause of gravity, and how light and speed are effected by these anevi kooda ardham kavaali. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 4094 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.46.187.214 Rating: N/A |
ippude coosa......thammud nee basic problem seppana: U are confused between how biological clocks are effected by relativistic effects of dilation and mass increase.... its not something that can be made understood in one thread...lemme finish something at work and will come back and post some intuitive FAQ's for you.. If u are reading something...dont read anything ...but einstein's origial paper on special relativity....75yrs aina special relativity lo paradoxes(there are not one) are not understood... clue: space travel lo (of tins) accelaration phase (turn around) is the most important | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1054 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
just kiddin annai.. | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5109 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.221.83.14 Rating: N/A |
annai, i was just replying to Jung. Meeru cheppina time travel possible ayithe PARADOX situation arise avutundi. Like what happens if one goes back in time and kills his father/mother (just an example). If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1053 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
alage masterruuu..  tittakandi.. | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5108 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.221.83.14 Rating: N/A |
That's 8th class physics. No one is denying that. No offense meant. But general public/general understanding of time travel is:
Ilaanti time travel impossible ani cheppa. If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 6897 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Ardham ayyindi  But ippudu detail ga explain chese time ledu - unfortunately do not have the ability to dilate time yet If the thread is still active will join in the evening aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 9885 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
intha "pedda" limitation ni .. 'just' ani kotti paaresthe ela .. j/k very good explanation .. though it may be true with material science .. how much is it applicable to humans is a point of contention in my view .. having said that .. I agree, everything is a mere amalgamation of materials !!! huh .. if there is nothing absolute .. how come my answer for the "theory of relativity" question fetched me 'absolute' marks ..  Jatasya Hi Dhruvo Mrityur Druvam Janma Mritasya Cha Tasmaad Aparihaaryearthe Na twam Shochitum Arhasi. | ||
Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 10828 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 70.17.208.232 Rating: N/A |
 CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
Annavaram Side Hero Username: Annavaram Post Number: 2126 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.97.14.213 Rating: N/A |
 wow | ||
Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 71.126.25.130 Rating: |
it depends on what you mean by time travel.. If say looking into the past can be considered as time travel, we are already doing that when looking at stars. Even when we look at the sun, what we are seeing is how sun looks 8 minutes ago.. We can just flip this and say we have traveled as far as sun and observe earth with a powerful telescope, we can observe what exactly is happening on earth 8 mins ago.. It's just that we cannot "alter" this past since we cannot communicate faster than light.. when we look at all those distant stars using hubble telescope, etc we are essentially looking back millions of years into the past.. so nothing stops an observer 1000s of light years away from earth to currently observe human past with a powerful telescope.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
Cocanada Moderator Username: Cocanada Post Number: 17289 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
annai readeech ga teleedu aa resources evo naa mokaana kodithe...chadivi disco lo digutaaa fleej | ||
Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 71.126.25.130 Rating: N/A |
I don't think it's an unreal perception. Time "really" slows down. Aging happens slower for the accelerating twin. check gravitational time dilation. It seems with relativity theories, the concept of 'absolute time' lost its meaning.. everything is relative to observers.. there is nothing like "absolute reality" in the observable universe.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1751 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
Der bedar ekkada vunnavu...nee comments kosam waiting | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1048 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
na uddesam vaala samskruthi sampradayalu..aa rojulo technology..ela unddhi vala dinacharya etc...ala time tho paatu ela maarindhi...etc.. | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1750 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
bedar meeku special relativity meedha idea vunda...vunte mee understanding ni share chesukondi | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1047 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
naak venaki elli aa rojulo janalu ela undevaalu choodalanadhi korika.. | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5107 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.221.83.14 Rating: N/A |
Time travel is NOT possible. Period If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Ruj Comedian Username: Ruj Post Number: 1046 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 132.189.76.18 Rating: N/A |
time machine ekki venaki vellacha?? Is is pajjible..i kochen.. | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1749 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
matter different ga behave cheyyataniki time dilation ki link kochem explain cheyyandi....theory prakaram maree light speed kaakapoyina kochem ekkuva spped lo kooda time dilation jaragali kadha | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 588 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 15.195.201.204 Rating: N/A |
adey cheppedi. at light speed...matter behaves differently...so relativity theory pekaram korrectey.?? nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 583 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 15.195.201.204 Rating: N/A |
ledandi mee satire yestey db lo retire avutanani telusu... nijamgaaney seputunna... nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1748 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
jobings | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5101 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.221.83.14 Rating: N/A |
vammoo... q ni adigithe naa meeda satire aa...  If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1747 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
atomic clocks in jet planes to chesi choosaranta...difference vundani cheptunnaru...mari kaani adhi explain cheyyataniki use chestunna examples to confusion ekkuva avutundhi...time definition nionly distance travelled over speed ki limit chestunnatu anipinchindhi | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 581 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 15.195.201.204 Rating: N/A |
ledandi...kakapotey db lo channallu rom lo unna. english ni khoooni chestoo rayatam antey ittam..attanti db'ers antey kooda ittam. nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 5100 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.221.83.14 Rating: N/A |
mee old id enti? If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1746 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
mari aithe einestien twin paradox lo oka twin who is travelling with relative velocity wrt other twin ages less ani cheppadu kadha..ante aa travelling twin lo anni bilogical processes slow avvali kadha w.r.t the other twin...kaani nenu choosina special relativity illustrate cheyyataniki use chesina examples lo constant light velocity use chesi calculation of time rendu inertial frames lo different ani cheptunnaru...but ekkada processes etla slow avutaayi w.r.t to observer at rest anedhi ekkada chadavaledhu...mee daggara emanna different articles vunte link ivvandi | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 578 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 15.195.201.204 Rating: N/A |
tambi nenu cheppina experiment chesi choodu...konfirmation ki, rendu same clock konu...(not digital)...okati intlo padesi vellu. rendodi light speed tho mosukellu....kiki intaki meeru sadivingsaa leka jobingsaaa?? inko point: at light speed matter does not matter anukunta...so clocks tiking different ok. calling der to conpirm this.} nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Kamal Side Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 9883 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
its a perception anthe .. thats what I understood from wiki article .. more simpler example is when two trains stop side by side and both move at different speeds .. giving out an unreal 'perception' to the passengers about the actual velocity .. I guess, the term for this unreal perception can be quantified in the term 'relative velocity' PS - after almost 9 years physics aalochisthe .. ento vintha ga .. uthsaham ga undi .. but then .. naa posts in this thread reflect my understanding of the topic and so can be very very silly and naive !!! please pardon ! office ki vellaka .. inko 2 hours lo interesting posts emaina padithe respond avutha .. Jatasya Hi Dhruvo Mrityur Druvam Janma Mritasya Cha Tasmaad Aparihaaryearthe Na twam Shochitum Arhasi. | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 577 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 166.217.105.247 Rating: |
it is just the way it appears from the local point of view/reference...but not in actual anukunta... ala aiytey manam oka clock intlo padesi...inko clock car yettukuni oorvu tirigi vastey time difference undali kada? undadu. just the perception from the observing point. but clocks do show different times with temperature changes..to overcome this this they use some alloy to compensate the contraction and elagonation. nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1745 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
light speed valana just kanipistaya...leka nijam ga ticking process slow avutundha anedhi naa question... | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 576 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 15.195.201.204 Rating: N/A |
chimpul gaa seppalantey... oka local clock...observing point nundi...two more cloks...with different speeds tho move chestey...avi different gaa tiking la kanipistay wrt to local clock. adi matter. relative theory pekaram everything is relative kada... exams lekunda, anta kantey yekkuvaga aalochinchutey health ki danger...kiki nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 10948 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
Good morning annai. maanchi nidra vasthundi ippudu..kiki | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 575 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 15.195.201.204 Rating: N/A |
naaku exams appudu artham kakapotey vadilesey vanni...no buttiying. butty only english poems...and essays...kiki nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1744 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
medhavulu, gnanulu...itlanti discussions lo baga participate chesina track record vundhi | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1743 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
naaku appudu ardham ayyi avvakunda vundhi...ippudu kooda atlage vundhi... | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 574 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 166.217.105.247 Rating: N/A |
good morning tammud  nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 573 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 166.217.105.247 Rating: N/A |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation ikkada chimple gaa explanation ichad. adi chadivaka kooda artham kakapotey  nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 10947 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
veellu scientists aa  | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1742 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
calling der,ishan,kamal,anand,cocanada and other scientists and physicists... | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 571 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 166.217.105.247 Rating: N/A |
exams appudu baaga artham ayindi. ippudu baga gap vachesindi kada...so ippudu yeruka ledu. nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Raogaru Junior Artist Username: Raogaru Post Number: 570 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 166.217.105.247 Rating: N/A |
der ki kalling yesuko...rendu quantum particles ni yetti explanation istaad. nannu involvecheyakandi sir | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1741 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
special relativity ardham aina medhavulu naaku kooda aa gnananni prasadinchandi......idhi sincere request | ||
Vjavasi Comedian Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 1739 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
in the last few days spent some time on understanding the concept of time dilation in special relativity....couldn't understand it..can anybody explain the following.. how could different time calculations involving speed of light in inertial frames moving with relative velocity translate to twin paradox and slower pulse rates |
