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Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 09:13 am:       


Kamal:



thanks kamalaiii
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 12:34 am:       

kamalam tamud attage kamasutra book ki link ivvu
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 12:27 am:       

http://projectsouthasia.sdstate.edu/docs/history/primarydocs /Arthashastra/index.htm

Here is the online link for the book
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aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 12:25 am:       


Kamal:

ya book
ade annai ..


cool aiytey, tondarlo chadivipareyyali...
nannu involvecheyakandi sir
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 12:01 am:       


Raogaru:

oka saari choosi confirm chestey nenbhi chaduvudamani..
oka look vesi cheppu



ya book ade annai .. but the original book is some 700 pages long ..
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:58 pm:       

aa link lo yee topics/books meeda detailgaa info undi
* Book I, "Concerning Discipline"
* Book II,"The Duties of Government Superintendents"
* Book III, "Concerning Law"
* Book IV, "The Removal of Thorns"
* Book V, "The Conduct of Courtiers"
* Book VI, "The Source of Sovereign States"
* Book VII, "The End of the Six-Fold Policy"
* Book VIII, "Concerning Vices and Calamities"
* Book IX, "The Work of an Invader"
* Book X, "Relating to War"
* Book XI, "The Conduct of Corporations"
* Book XII, "Concerning a Powerful Enemy"
* Book XIII, "Strategic Means to Capture a Fortress"
* Book XIV, "Secret Means"
* Book XV, "The Plan of a Treatise"
nannu involvecheyakandi sir
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:57 pm:       


Kamal:

enti .. adena book?


oka saari choosi confirm chestey nenbhi chaduvudamani..
oka look vesi cheppu
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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:55 pm:       


Raogaru:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Arthashastra



enti .. adena book?

Zulu:


conclude chesesaava annai? good .. thx .. :-)

Kingaa_bongaa:



anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:53 pm:       


Kamal:


tamud sampurnashashtra link vunte ivvu.
Manaki Manam Kingu, Choosevallaki Bongu.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:52 pm:       


Kamal:

nenu istha le book .. tension padaku .. chill



http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Arthashastra
nannu involvecheyakandi sir
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:52 pm:       

"kondhari" ki oka rule.."Inkondhariki" Inko rule..vunte..
kondariki nachuthundi..kondhariki nachadu..idi "andaru" thelusukuni munduku povali..
Maathru bhasha vegataipoyina mudanastapu jathi manadhi
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:51 pm:       


Ruj:



nenu istha le book .. tension padaku .. chill
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:45 pm:       


Anand_n:

don't have the link right now



idena http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/journal_of_military_history/v06 7/67.1boesche.pdf

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Arthashastra
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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:42 pm:       

Ruj,
Yes I read it -it is available online :-) don't have the link right now :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:29 pm:       


Ishan:




definetly, duties of a king, life of a king, defense and offensive strategies, ilanti vatillo his text is very good.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:25 pm:       


Cocanada:

we had a similar civilization and people really haven't changed that much




you can rename it .. "the book of life" .. ! :D
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aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:23 pm:       

But that's about the negative part. He gave countless extraordinary suggestions and tips for effective governance. For him, achievement is the ultimate aim which makes him a perfectionist. He had no mercy for non-productivity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4

 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:20 pm:       


Ishan:

Please correct me if I am wrong!



Will surely try to .. will take some months !
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:17 pm:       


Ishan:




Naa thread ki raa vayya
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:16 pm:       


Ishan:

"equal maiden"


*equal caste maiden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4

 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:15 pm:       


Kamal:



are you sure?


Please correct me if I am wrong!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4

 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:14 pm:       


Kamal:


Thats correct. It is such an interesting read, you will be amazed at the complexities he analyzes .. 2400 years later .. we can relate to the incidents that happened and the way he describes to deal with them .. some of the recent "success" we know of in the recent past can be traced back into the book !




this can simply mean

we had a similar civilization and people really haven't changed that much
Naaku Namo Venkatesa 2nd half nachindi - Idly
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:14 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

punishments for a sex with a immature girl ani untundh


Yeah. He says its a crime to have an affair with a "girl of equal caste" before reaching her maturity! He also says its ok to have an affair with a "equal maiden" three years after she reaches maturity! If wife doesn't get pregnant in 7 months, man gets a right to dump her! he he! He had some shades of racism too when he said all "Mlecchas" are spies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4

 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:11 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

yeah most texts i have seen are summaries too. andhuke adiga ekkada chaduvuthunaavu ani. there are a lot of edited versions.



ya .. edited versions and original text pettukuni .. comparitive study chestunna .. :D
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:10 pm:       


Ishan:

No reasons explained.


oh ok
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:07 pm:       


Kamal:

I am trying to read books parallel to the edited version .. which is more of a summary .. so I am jumping books according to the smaller books !




yeah most texts i have seen are summaries too. andhuke adiga ekkada chaduvuthunaavu ani. there are a lot of edited versions.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:07 pm:       


Ishan:

No reasons explained.




are you sure?
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:06 pm:       


Cocanada:

THe world's first management consultant - Chanakya



Thats correct. It is such an interesting read, you will be amazed at the complexities he analyzes .. 2400 years later .. we can relate to the incidents that happened and the way he describes to deal with them .. some of the recent "success" we know of in the recent past can be traced back into the book !
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:05 pm:       


Ruj:


endukalaga...karanam emiti annadhi chebuthada..enduku aa vipaksha ani...


No reasons explained.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4

 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:05 pm:       


Ishan:

There are some punishments suggested by Kautilya that could be thought as caste-based. For example, "If a kshatriya commits adultery, he should get a fine. If a vaisya does it, his entire property will be confiscated, but if a shudra does it, he should be burnt alive". He was one of those first persons to introduce caste in to politics and governance.




In book 3 or 4, Chapter 12 anukunta, punishments for a sex with a immature girl ani untundhi. the punishments differ based on the class of the girl. Also, if a woman is rescued from troubles by a male, the way the woman needs to gratify the male changes based on her class.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:03 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

when i say they are debatable, i did not mean debate it with the laws of today, but debatable in the aspect as to how we view the society of those days. Infact, I am the one who always maintains that historical or mythological texts should not be analysed based on what we know and do today.


I know .. I remember reading some of your opinions of Ramayana/Mahabharata.

Mental_sachinodu:

Which are book are you reading now.



I am trying to read books parallel to the edited version .. which is more of a summary .. so I am jumping books according to the smaller books !
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:00 pm:       


Ruj:

vipaksha



vivaksha
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:59 pm:       


Kamal:

Ofcourse, you can always post what you find debatable ! Btw, how are you judging the book/times, as per the constitution of 1950?




kamal thammi,
when i say they are debatable, i did not mean debate it with the laws of today, but debatable in the aspect as to how we view the society of those days. Infact, I am the one who always maintains that historical or mythological texts should not be analysed based on what we know and do today.


Which are book are you reading now.
Book 3 or Book 4 lo unte cheppu.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:57 pm:       


Ishan:

There are some punishments suggested by Kautilya that could be thought as caste-based. For example, "If a kshatriya commits adultery, he should get a fine. If a vaisya does it, his entire property will be confiscated, but if a shudra does it, he should be burnt alive". He was one of those first persons to introduce caste in to politics and governance.

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endukalaga...karanam emiti annadhi chebuthada..enduku aa vipaksha ani...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:53 pm:       

online link unte ivvandi masterlu...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:52 pm:       

Kamasutra of Indian Business
ani oka book chadivanu few years back.

Arthashastra gurinchi. THe author says

THe world's first management consultant - Chanakya
Naaku Namo Venkatesa 2nd half nachindi - Idly
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:51 pm:       

There are some punishments suggested by Kautilya that could be thought as caste-based. For example, "If a kshatriya commits adultery, he should get a fine. If a vaisya does it, his entire property will be confiscated, but if a shudra does it, he should be burnt alive". He was one of those first persons to introduce caste in to politics and governance.

However, he strongly commended priests to teach vedas to shudras. It was a punishable crime if they didn't. There are other occasions where he suggested equal punishment for few other crimes. Whether his policies reflect the society conditions back then, is debatable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeGK88_5T4

 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:49 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

ekkada chaduvuthunaavu, i have an edition of one of the parts of arthasasthra. Anand garu anattu there are many concepts which are debatable. especially the way women were treated.




I have the original translation of Shama Shastry. Akkada chaduvutunnanu. I am also reading many interpretations of the same book just to see, how different people interpret the same thing differently.

Ofcourse, you can always post what you find debatable ! Btw, how are you judging the book/times, as per the constitution of 1950?

Mental_sachinodu:

Undoubtedly chanakya's work is one of the greatest from our nation. it also gives a very different social picture than what we see today.


Glad you noticed and accepted ! :-)
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aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:39 pm:       

kamalai,

ekkada chaduvuthunaavu, i have an edition of one of the parts of arthasasthra. Anand garu anattu there are many concepts which are debatable. especially the way women were treated.

I did alot of reading few years back. I will try to find my notes on it and post here. Undoubtedly chanakya's work is one of the greatest from our nation. it also gives a very different social picture than what we see today.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:37 pm:       

Anand garu

what did you read? can you post in a few sentences?

aa time lo was caste hereditary?

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:26 pm:       


Bushu:

thammi, nuvu manuvu raasina aa book edho kooda chadivinaava?



ledu .. but I have to read it one .. "Manu Smriti" .. :-)
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:24 pm:       


Kamal:




thammi, nuvu manuvu raasina aa book edho kooda chadivinaava?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:07 pm:       

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthashastra

For reference of all ...
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:05 pm:       


Netsaint:

BALL veyyaka mundhe, BAT ooopesava tammud... kiiik



ball veyyaledu .. adi naaku kooda telusu ..

nenu just powerplay na kaada ani adigaanu ..

Anand_n:

Did I say that - or did you just infer that ?


I did not .. I am just trying to see if you meant that when you left your sentence incomplete !

Anand_n:

I think everyone who claims that caste-based discrimination started after Muslim and British invasion needs to read Arthashastra to understand the functioning of society in those days.



I read it, but I did not find anything .. you can post what you read and show me the discrimination of those days !
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:04 pm:       


Anand_n:

needs to read Arthashastra to understand



did you read it?...If yes, is it online? or do you have the book?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:03 pm:       


Anand_n:

Did I say that - or did you just infer that ?



Netsaint:

BALL veyyaka mundhe, BAT ooopesava tammud... kiiik




Kamal overreact kiik
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:02 pm:       


Kamal:

oh .. so .. you want it to be thrown into the bin?




Did I say that - or did you just infer that ?

I think everyone who claims that caste-based discrimination started after Muslim and British invasion needs to read Arthashastra to understand the functioning of society in those days.
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:01 pm:       


Kamal:

oh .. so .. you want it to be thrown into the bin?




BALL veyyaka mundhe, BAT ooopesava tammud... kiiik
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:58 pm:       


Anand_n:

It is also the oldest chronicle of the caste-based crime and punishment laws of ancient India...



oh .. so .. you want it to be thrown into the bin?
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:57 pm:       


Kamal:

kondariki sambandinchina book anukunta .. neglect cheyyadam lo tappu ledu .. russian howle gaallaki telivi ledu .. retrogressive knowledge ni nettina pettukuntunnaru .. ! chass !




It is also the oldest chronicle of the caste-based crime and punishment laws of ancient India...
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:54 pm:       


Kamal:

thats correct .. chaala sarlu ade anipistundi .. TDP-BJP alliance valla husband and wife iddaru Congress lo ki jump avvalsina paristhithi vachindi ani vinnanu kontha mandi daggara !

Venkateswara Rao ki kanisam ticket kooda rakunda chesadu Babu ani chepparu .. donno how far that is true ! BJP kooda allies kosam budge avvadam tagginchukovaali .. Co-incidentally .. Kautilya Arthashastra lo ade cheppadu !!! evari strengths vaallu nilupukovaali first !



ejjatly..mattilo manikyam type congeelo purandeswari..:D
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:53 pm:       


Jalsa:

baunna tamud, ippudey velu cut chesukunna cooking lo...kikikk



arrerre .. chaala rojula taravata vanta na annai? intaki emi vandutunnaru? cut aina chota .. koddiga pasupu pettandi .. repatiki antha set !
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:52 pm:       


Ruj:

Purandeswari garu BJPlo undalsindhi



thats correct .. chaala sarlu ade anipistundi .. TDP-BJP alliance valla husband and wife iddaru Congress lo ki jump avvalsina paristhithi vachindi ani vinnanu kontha mandi daggara !

Venkateswara Rao ki kanisam ticket kooda rakunda chesadu Babu ani chepparu .. donno how far that is true ! BJP kooda allies kosam budge avvadam tagginchukovaali .. Co-incidentally .. Kautilya Arthashastra lo ade cheppadu !!! evari strengths vaallu nilupukovaali first !
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:51 pm:       


Kamal:

meeru?



baunna tamud, ippudey velu cut chesukunna cooking lo...kikikk
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:48 pm:       

Purandeswari garu BJPlo undalsindhi
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:45 pm:       


Jalsa:

monna idhey kadha saduvuthunnanu annaavu?



ya annai ..

I am fine .. meeru?
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:41 pm:       

monna idhey kadha saduvuthunnanu annaavu?

btw, h r u?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:37 pm:       

* 2,400-year-old Sanskrit treatise remains neglected in India


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HYDERABAD: Kautilya's 'Arthashastra', regarded as one of the classical treatise on a wide range of topics like statecraft, politics and military warfare et al, is a mandatory text taught for military cadets even in the erstwhile USSR. But the 2,400 year-old Sanskrit treatise remains neglected in India.

The interesting observation was shared by Union Minister of State for Human Resources Development D. Purandeswari here. The occasion was a seminar organised by Sanskrit Academy, Pragna Bharati in association with the Federation of Andhra Pradesh Chambers of Commerce (FAPCCI), to mark the centenary celebrations of the publication.

Timeless wisdom

Considered as the treatise offering timeless wisdom on different aspects of human life, Arthashastra should be the guide to follow for those in politics and public life. With its emphasis on welfare of people, the work would remain relevant forever, she noted. Teachers of military academies and universities would do well to treat great texts of India with respect. Unlike Machiavelli, Kautilya's work was more relevant as it was people-centric, Ms. Purandeswari said.

Arthashastra was published when its Sanskrit manuscript was found in Oriental library and translated into English by Shama Shastry in 1909 and later into Telugu by P. Sri Ramachandrudu, disclosed Pragnya Bharati chairman T.H. Choudhary.




http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/04/stories/2010020451120200.htm

kondariki sambandinchina book anukunta .. neglect cheyyadam lo tappu ledu .. russian howle gaallaki telivi ledu .. retrogressive knowledge ni nettina pettukuntunnaru .. ! chass !
anuraagam konagalige dhanamunda ee lokam lo - mamakaaram viluventho marichava siri maikam lo -
aanandam konaleni dhanaraasi tho - anaadha ga migilave amavaasa lo ..

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