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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 06:35 pm:       


Rocketk2:

I heard the entire statement live. Reading it back makes me understand how much effort he put in that statement . Not a single useless word!! Every word has a targeted meaning !!




I happened to be driving at the time so heard the statement live too and was discussing the same later with my son- It was perfection ! Very clear on his take - I did my job within the constraints of office, you have the info documented , if you choose to do yours :-) he was not going to air opinions and sound bytes ..
Much respect to the man !

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 03:30 pm:       


Rocketk2:

enti... sir .. meeru kudana??
Mueller is a conservative and leans Republican but nothing we know about him thus far questions hi integrity. I think he wold have done the same if it were Democrat President .
He clearly did what he was appointed to do under the precedent of what he can do. I am in a way glad he did not go after Trump's dirty laundry!!

Comey also did the same thing but as the stakes rose higher , he got scuttled . Mueller is showing how a master prosecutor works. His statement today is nothing short of awesome. This could not have been done any better!!




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i am just trollign vunkl.. see if we chose to... we can always pick such non existent holes ...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 02:56 pm:       


Musafir:

Like it mattered 3 years ago


it may not. He may still win or even in a landslide.
But that shouldn't stop people from coming and saying how they feel.. both who suppport him and oppose him!!

Actually, I don't know. It may matter. Every win In any democracy has a coalition.. some are implicit and some are explicit.. many winners become losers by failing to recognize this coalition. There is coalition behind trump. There are parts of that coalition that are going to be troubled by these acts. I think they will turnaround.. they may prove me wrong but that is what I think!!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 02:47 pm:       


Rocketk2:

The president's behavior is exposed..



Like it mattered 3 years ago.
Ivala CNN lo oka article rasadu. The only way to beat Trump in 2020 is to impeach him now and take him out of picture from 2020 race. That probably is the only way.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 02:41 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

lol.. Mueller is a registered republican.. how did you expect he will act against T .. kottuku saavandi


enti... sir .. meeru kudana??
Mueller is a conservative and leans Republican but nothing we know about him thus far questions hi integrity. I think he wold have done the same if it were Democrat President .
He clearly did what he was appointed to do under the precedent of what he can do. I am in a way glad he did not go after Trump's dirty laundry!!

Comey also did the same thing but as the stakes rose higher , he got scuttled . Mueller is showing how a master prosecutor works. His statement today is nothing short of awesome. This could not have been done any better!!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 02:33 pm:       

Ikkada vache matlade andharilo how many of you read atleast 1/10th of mueller report ?? That is like 40 pages. I will go out of limb and say most did not. There is smaller statement he released today . I took the pain of posting it entirety hoping atleast few would. I hope atleast it was read in entirety

Take any stand but get the facts .. .. evaro regurgitate chesinavi kadhu.. take them at source!!

Media , liberal, mafia ane boiler plate manesi.. why don't we talk topic on hand ??


Ringo_rangaswamy:

Idettta? How his testifying will open can of worms for Dems!!!


it is can of worms because they will be setting up for another failure in this case while giving reps opportunity to grand stand all the special counsels in future .... nuclear option laga this will be another institution killing act ... aa thokkalo sitting president protections create chesindhi Democrats ye.. it will expose their hypocrisy.. they are being hacked by their own axe..

Climax is not in what Mueller says. mueller will not say anything beyond report. He is clearly saying I gave you enough to proceed.. by pulling him into ring, they are setting themselves up to partisan bickering noise under which a very detailed , calm, fact based report will get lost. Every dem will start going for their 'spartacus' moment!
There is nothing more to testify. I read entire 440 page report. There is enough evidence for congress to act. Senate has clearly shown their hand. Democrats are afraid of political consequences. If they have guys they should go for it!!
If it were me , I will not waste any more political capital on this. Just keep sending the message into people and move on. The president's behavior is exposed.. You don't need impeachment

Explain the message of institutional misuse by a narcissist, principle lacked individual and how Republican Party is losing its identity under him. Keep chipping away at the message!!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 01:59 pm:       

EE russia investigation and Trump impeachment antha boring topic ee world politics lo undadu.. Deenikante orissa politics follow avvadam better.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 01:55 pm:       


Musafir:

And the circus begins.





Praja court lo ball antay inka thaatha apprentice ratings daatestaadu.


another brett kavanagh nomination type. senate will defeat it.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 01:48 pm:       

Elizabeth Warren:
Mueller’s statement makes clear what those who have read his report know: It is an impeachment referral, and it’s up to Congress to act. They should.
Mueller leaves no doubt:
1) He didn't exonerate the president because there is evidence he committed crimes.
2) Justice Department policy prevented him from charging the president with any crimes.
3) The Constitution leaves it up to Congress to act—and that's impeachment.

And the circus begins.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 01:33 pm:       


Tilak:

establishment-arian vs non-estab ..




this is a slipper slope.. who non-estab now in Republicans? there is none.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 01:32 pm:       


Rocketk2:

Don't parade me before Congress. If you are serious, take the report and act. If not leave it at the way Barr summarized. You have enough to work with in the report is what he says!!




perfect, he has done his job within the precedent, it is up to Dems now


Musafir:

My takeaways
1. Trump probably is not guilty of collusion but obstruction of justice. Mueller at best has circumstantial evidence.
2. Mueller has nothing to add to the report. Indirectly saying that he doesn't have any other information than what is in the report.




agree, I do not think there was any collusion - Obama administartion would have caught it imho but sure he can be held for obstruction - but is that impeachable offense and what will Dems get out of it.

At the end of the day, as long as Reps are ok to overlook his integrity and craziness and focus on the fact that he is delivering on their core requirements (gun control, supreme court nominees, immigration) they will continue to vote for him.

I am hoping the whole abortion issue will tilt the moderates and neutrals towards Biden. Anyone other Dem nominee with their liberal socialistic tendencies will win imho
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 12:39 pm:       


Rocketk2:

The only way they get him to speak is subpoena him.. which is a big deal and opens up another can of worms. Dems may not do that .






Idettta? How his testifying will open can of worms for Dems!!!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 12:34 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:


establishment-arian vs non-estab ..
India First.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 12:25 pm:       


Musafir:


What!!!!
He did issue a statement that can drive the left media into a delirium.




its farce vunkl... all republicans applauded that Meuller was appointed as special counsel.. aa sound bytes from Rush to Newt vinaledhu emo when Meuller was appointed... they knew the eventual outcome is safe in a republican counselor...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 12:23 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

how did you expect he will act against T .



What!!!!
He did issue a statement that can drive the left media into a delirium.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 12:11 pm:       

lol.. Mueller is a registered republican.. how did you expect he will act against T .. kottuku saavandi :D
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 12:09 pm:       

matching matching
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 12:04 pm:       

some mafias are very powerful .. they can target the most powerful man and destabilize majority of his term!
India First.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 12:00 pm:       

My takeaways
1. Trump probably is not guilty of collusion but obstruction of justice. Mueller at best has circumstantial evidence.
2. Mueller has nothing to add to the report. Indirectly saying that he doesn't have any other information than what is in the report.

Trump will be back in the Oval office in 2024. Dems will try to look into impeachment based on the press conference. Useless exercise.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 11:44 am:       


Ringo_rangaswamy:

Dems tried to get him to testify before Congress. He decided to release a statement. T


I don't think that is the reason. He is official shutting down the special investigation. It is customary to issue statement .

Also he made it clear he is not going to testify any thing beyond the report. The only way they get him to speak is subpoena him.. which is a big deal and opens up another can of worms. Dems may not do that .
He put them on notice saying no monkey business. Don't parade me before Congress. If you are serious, take the report and act. If not leave it at the way Barr summarized. You have enough to work with in the report is what he says!!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 11:43 am:       


Ringo_rangaswamy:



Naku matram idedo CNN ki vesina biscuit la undi.
Also Barr to disagreement ani cheppukuntunnadu indirect ga. OK.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 11:26 am:       


Musafir:

What's with the timing?





Dems tried to get him to testify before Congress. He decided to release a statement. This thing took time since report release as making sure all legal hurdles are cleared for him to come out like this.



Musafir:

when did prosecutors start announcing guilt or otherwise? Don't they limit themselves to charges alone!




Anyone but President can be indicted. Mueller team released report last month. Mueller team could not find evidence but at the same time did not clear the president. His team can indict but did not do that to anyone associated with this.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 11:20 am:       

What's with the timing?
And when did prosecutors start announcing guilt or otherwise? Don't they limit themselves to charges alone!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 11:15 am:       


Bighero:

Oh then why was nothing found in the Mueller Report? Spent several years and 8 digits worth cost and could find nothing in this smear campaign LOL





Asal report soosava?


Between Russia tho involvement case and obstruction of justice, second one is stronger on Trump. There is ample evidence through statements under oath by his staff and associated people.


Kaani American President ki powers and protection ekkuva. Its for protecting the institution of presidency and not able the individuals in that office.

Thaatha full gaa vaadeskuntunnadu.

Now its in Congress so thaatha blocking every single request happily. He gets time and likely Democrats will do nothing. So he is trying to making go away and dead as a public issue.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 11:04 am:       

Classic Mueller!! man of few words and every word has tons of meaning!!
I heard the entire statement live. Reading it back makes me understand how much effort he put in that statement . Not a single useless word!! Every word has a targeted meaning !!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 11:01 am:       


Bullabbai:

Not picking on him, but the rule applies the other way too!

"If we had confidence that President clearly did commit crime we would have said so. We did not "


it doesn't go other way because he is bound by DOj precedent.
Why are you guys ignoring the key point.. Check this from transcript

Rocketk2:

And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel's office is part of the department of justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy.


 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 10:56 am:       

Here is the full transcript
Thank you for being here. Two years ago the acting attorney general asked me to serve as special counsel. And he created the special counsel’s office. The appointment order directed the office to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. This included investigating any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the trump campaign. Now I have not spoken publicly during our investigation. I’m speaking out today because our investigation is complete. The attorney general has made the report on our investigation largely public. We are formally closing the special counsel’s office, and as well I’m resigning from the department of justice to return to private life. I’ll make a few remarks about the results of our work. But beyond these few remarks it is important that the office’s written work speak for itself.

Let me begin where the appointment order begins. And that is interference with the 2016 presidential election. As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who were part of the Russian military, launched a concerted attack on our political system. The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cyber techniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization, Wikileaks. The releases were designed and times to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate. And at the same time as the grand jury alleged in a separate indictment, a private Russian entity engaged in a social media operation where Russian citizens posed as Americans in order to influence an election. These indictments contain allegations, and we are not commenting on the guilt or innocence of any specific defendant. Every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. The indictments allege, and the other activities in our report describe, efforts to interfere in our political system. They needed to be investigated and understand. And that is among the reasons why the department of justice established our office. That is also a reason we investigated efforts to obstruct the investigation. The matters we investigated were of paramount importance and it was critical for us to obtain full and accurate information from every person we questioned. When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation oral lies to investigators it strikes at the core of the government’s effort to strike at the truth and hold wrong doers accountable.

Let me say a word about the report. The report has two parts, addressing the two main issues we were asked to investigate. The first volume details numerous efforts emanating from Russia to influence the election. This volume includes a discussion of the trump campaign’s response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy. And in a second volume, the report describes the results and analysis of our obstruction of justice investigation involving the president. The order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. And we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel’s office is part of the department of justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider. The department’s written opinion explaining the policy makes several important points that further informed our handling of the obstruction investigation. Those points are summarized in our report and I will describe two of them for you. First, the opinion explicitly permits the investigation of a sitting president, because it is important to preserve evidence while memories are fresh and documents available. Among other things, that evidence could be used if there were co-conspirators who could be charged now. And second, the opinion says that the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrong doing. And beyond department policy we were guided by principles of fairness. It would be unfair to potentially -- it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

So that was justice department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated and from them we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime. That is the office’s -- that is the office’s final position, and we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the president. We conducted an independent criminal investigation and reported the results to the attorney general. As required by department regulations. The attorney general then concluded that it was appropriate to provide our report to congress and to the American people. At one point in time I requested that certain portions of the report be released. The attorney general preferred to make that -- preferred to make the entire report public all at once, and we appreciate that the attorney general made the report largely public. And I certainly do not question the attorney general’s good faith in that decision. Now I hope and expect this to be the only time that I will speak to you in this manner. I am making that decision myself. No one has told me whether I can or should testify or speak further about this matter. There has been discussion about an appearance before congress. Any testimony from this office would not go beyond our report. It contains our findings and analysis and the reasons for the decisions we made. We chose those words carefully and the work speaks for itself. And the report is my testimony. I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before congress. In addition, access to our underlying work product is being decided in a process that does not involve our office. So beyond what I have said here today, and what is contained in our written work, I do not believe it is appropriate for me to speak further about the investigation or to comment on the actions of the justice department or congress. And it’s for that reason I will not be taking questions today as well. Now before I step away, I want to thank the attorneys, the FBI agents, and analysts, the professional staff to helped us conduct this investigation in a fair and independent manner. These individuals who spent nearly two years with the special counsel’s office were of the highest integrity. And I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictments that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interference in our election. That allegation deserves the attention of every American. Thank you. Thank you for being here today.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 10:52 am:       

Not picking on him, but the rule applies the other way too!

"If we had confidence that President clearly did commit crime we would have said so. We did not "
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 10:50 am:       


Bharat:

It does not work that way....if the prosecutor can't find evidence to indict, he should shut up.
That statement reveals the ulterior motive of Mueller.


it does not and you know nothing about mueller. Trump can thank his stars, the investigation is led by Mueller.
He repeatedly mentioned the constraint of 'not being able to indict a sitting president '. He did what he is supposed to do . Wrote report and gave it to people who can act on it!!
That is what a prosecutor with integrity does!!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 10:47 am:       


Bighero:


he answered your question very clearly.
Challenging integrity of man like Mueller for a man like Trump is too big even for you BigHero..

There is a reason he wrote the report . You shown enough interest to respond.. that should be enough to make you want to read the report!

Could find nothing!! Seriously..

Rocketk2:

"If we had confidence that President clearly did not commit crime we would have said so. We did not "


 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 10:44 am:       


Rocketk2:

"If we had confidence that President clearly did not commit crime we would have said so. We did not "




It does not work that way....if the prosecutor can't find evidence to indict, he should shut up.
That statement reveals the ulterior motive of Mueller.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 10:30 am:       

Oh then why was nothing found in the Mueller Report? Spent several years and 8 digits worth cost and could find nothing in this smear campaign LOL
 

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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - 10:29 am:       

Currently on! This is the first time he is talking in public. He is closing the investigation and explaining his report!!

All have to hear this irrespective of which side you stand!! His explanation says it all!!

There is a reason why People like Mueller is respected by both sides of aisle.

"If we had confidence that President clearly did not commit crime we would have said so. We did not "

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