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Sp1234 Hero Username: Sp1234 Post Number: 10369 Registered: 11-2014 Rating: N/A |
Russia antene hacking. Whatsapp govt use chesukonte telegram private hands lo data ..telegram is a security risk whatever their security standards are. | ||
Mahiz Side Hero Username: Mahiz Post Number: 2900 Registered: 10-2012 Rating: N/A |
if we dont backup, how can we then access our previous data .. Janani Janma-bhoomi-scha Swargadapi Gariyasi | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2640 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
thats what i have been saying too.. that Nordic, certain EU countries make it difficult to track.. but then.. thrs no 100% SECURE way at all.. its going thru extra hoops ante.. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2639 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
in simple terms .. thats what it is.. Watsap,FB,google evadaina privacy,encryption of 1 user kosam.. wont risk their equation with govt.. ekkuva matladite BAN chesi vadilestaru.. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Uno Side Hero Username: Uno Post Number: 4758 Registered: 03-2016 Rating: N/A |
But in some countries like netherlands ,the local laws protect free speech and privacy..So may not be possible (the web hosts aree DMCA protected..most pirated stuff is uploaded in Netherlands based servers/hosts) and some countries like russia where there are no such treaties ,it is difficult for cooperation ( with US ) | ||
Cool_indian Side Hero Username: Cool_indian Post Number: 3939 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
I think it is very hard to either intercept or hack Whatsapp messages(Compared to iMessage or traditional SMS). This is what they market in terms of end to end encryption. But with a court order (which is very easy in countries like India), they can easily get the keys anukunta. | ||
Uno Side Hero Username: Uno Post Number: 4757 Registered: 03-2016 Rating: N/A |
whatsapp can provide only give meta data like the device info,IP address,phone number,service provider,phone number of contacts,location history ,time stamps etc..but not not the content of chats | ||
Shikari Megastar Username: Shikari Post Number: 28727 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
whatsapp ni desam lo police bagane vadatharu cases solve cheyatam lo..i dont think they are doing this from sender/receiver phones..there must be some backdoor. http://i.imgur.com/eUYcc.gif | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2636 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
yeah.. but then you will be subject to the complex... inter-nation jurisdiction rules.. ex: like what part of investigation/request EU helps US etc.. my simple understanding is - anything we leave online - is up for consumption, we are just NOT SECURE in true sense.. if sm1 claims otherwise.. i just wanted to clarify what is it that i am missing in the link.. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Hadoop Hero Username: Hadoop Post Number: 12018 Registered: 12-2014 Rating: N/A |
telegram lk ball gaadu 1 bill or more raised chesadu through ico.. crypto boom lo.... | ||
Uno Side Hero Username: Uno Post Number: 4754 Registered: 03-2016 Rating: N/A |
yes,but if the location is not under their Jurisdiction..they can not do much | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2635 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
i am under assumption.. even these servers are subject to law enforcement ? brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Bharat Side Hero Username: Bharat Post Number: 7354 Registered: 06-2015 Rating: N/A |
Regarding encryption......your messages are secure only in transit and while on WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal servers. If you make a backup to google drive or apple cloud, they will be available to law enforcement. They might take your device itself and then access the messages. So keep these in mind. | ||
Bharat Side Hero Username: Bharat Post Number: 7353 Registered: 06-2015 Rating: N/A |
Whatsapp cannot give the chat messages even if they want to....there is no master key ....no one can decrypt the messages except the sender and receiver....they can, of course, give metadata like phone numbers, time of chats etc......if your device itself is compromised by malware then obviously WhatsApp, telegram or whatever does not matter. If Security is paramount then I would use Signal....they don't store any metadata | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2624 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
yeah, i meant most of them too.. VPNs advertise they flush your logs = they do retain for smtime.. anyway this is a repeat disc jee.. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Platypus Side Hero Username: Platypus Post Number: 9846 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
Not all of them. ExpressVPN is very good. This world appearance is a confusion: even as the blueness of the sky is an optical illusion. I think it is better not to let the mind dwell on it, but to ignore it. | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2621 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
hemiti ikkada "B" quota anedi unda.. clipart2{brahmanandam39} anduke mari.. Bans cheyani Mod.. unte emi lekunte emi ani.. u got sidelined.. ippatikaina arise,awake.. keep an eye on exciting theds, watch out for ur prey.. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Cinejeevi Moderator Username: Cinejeevi Post Number: 7230 Registered: 10-2014 Rating: N/A |
OT bashalo cheppalante "rekkadite gaani DokkaDani diguva madhya taragati beeda B quota lo ichcharemo"... asalu MOD login ela avvali and MOD actions ela use cheyyali anedi still learning  Only can edit posts for now easily.. Anything I said earlier is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 1 day | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2618 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
what quota are u based on.. regular ga banning cheyakapote.. ••••• r at risk of forgetting your Mod-duties.. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Cinejeevi Moderator Username: Cinejeevi Post Number: 7228 Registered: 10-2014 Rating: N/A |
OK edited. nenu MOD anna sangati naaku eppudo gaani gurtu raadu  Anything I said earlier is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 1 day | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2617 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
Oh wow.. didnt notice.. u r a mod too.. gud work.. ok .. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Uno Side Hero Username: Uno Post Number: 4749 Registered: 03-2016 Rating: N/A |
but VPNs can not hide anything.They will give away all info to LEAs But privacy/security may not be a big issue with normal users...but important for people sending sensitive/confidential info Telegram and Signal are the fav messaging apps of EyeSIS and tellals. BTW Telegram is banned in Russia for not providing providing encryption keys | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2615 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
 (Message edited by cinejeevi on February 25, 2019) brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Cinejeevi Moderator Username: Cinejeevi Post Number: 7225 Registered: 10-2014 Rating: N/A |
nice technical discussion after a long while. good points guys (Message edited by cinejeevi on February 25, 2019) Anything I said earlier is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 1 day | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2613 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
yes. VPNs are all subject to the rules from local govt - a reason lots of them establish servers in the Nordic,EU regions.. good # of them..retain ur logs.. and say a very minority of them are top notch - they will be extremely costly, and even then - if under enquiry by Govt agencies will have to pull out records.. bayatakochi chudandi.. top 4 in TFI, NTR2 collections, biggest Drama.. top 10 active theds ade kada.. enjoi reading the punch.. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22695 Registered: 10-2008 Rating: N/A |
which thread .. i am just talking here.. vere threads choodatledhi... between - VPNs are different types.. more on that later | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2612 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
hayyo.. Mental jee.. VPN meeda kuda we discoed.. VPN is also a sham.. esp the 10$ permonth ones which you employ.. aina pakka theds lo.. World War jarugutunte.. ee boring techno discos emiti-jee.. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22694 Registered: 10-2008 Rating: N/A |
ok | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22693 Registered: 10-2008 Rating: N/A |
I really did not get your point. how is free for all security - translate to nothing is secure. In real world today - there are VPN operations, that allow exactly this kind of transactions to happen, and governments cannot do anyting about it. If you are in the USA, and I am in India - and we establish a VPN - government has no way to stop that to happen. yes, there will be raised "Eyebrows", but they cant do much about it. Right now, most VPN connections are tracked by security agencies. but they cannot do anything about it, and they have no clue what the conversations are. | ||
Emc2 Legend Username: Emc2 Post Number: 73778 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
you are thinking in traditional way of hacking it goes beyond that at hardware and network level It's ok | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22692 Registered: 10-2008 Rating: N/A |
this is abit hyped vunkl. Lets say you have a super computer, and you are trying to hacky gmail account - how many attempts does it take before google will know its being hacked? or any data center that google has. the thing is most data breaches happen not because the other side has the biggest and most powerful tool, but its because of the lack of proper security systems in place. One of the reasons companies google are investing heavily in quantum computers is mainly for security purposes. they are trying to understand the affect of these computing algorithms on security systems. | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2611 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
thats what i am referring to.. you want such a product on a SOCIAL platform, free-for-all.. How will govt know, whats the purpose of such secrecy.. they have to keep an eye on every1 FIRST .. to conclude rite ? you can imagine the uproar it creates, the sanctions that will come.. ayyedi kadu ilantidi.. double,triple Nth encryption is all a sham.. if you are referring to free-for-all, social services.. nothing is secure, and the need for such "secrecy" will raise eyebrows.. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22691 Registered: 10-2008 Rating: N/A |
I am not entirely sure if all governments will be against. Yes, certain governments may restrict such traffic. Blockchain products - that are in the nature of forming official contracts between real entities yes, Governments will have a say on it. But if a blockchain based product is created for no exchange of official contracts, government will have no interest and i dont think they will ahve say on it. | ||
Emc2 Legend Username: Emc2 Post Number: 73777 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
see eye ye and other thelivini gather chese departments running on supercomputers, no matter what you use encryption no encryption they can get what they want It's ok | ||
Cool_indian Side Hero Username: Cool_indian Post Number: 3937 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
Russia lo encryption  | ||
Baatasari Side Hero Username: Baatasari Post Number: 2610 Registered: 10-2018 Rating: N/A |
this can never be allowed on a social platform.. it will go against the Govt - potentially.. this whole encryption is the USP of blockchain - and precisely the reason Govts keeping close eye on the blockchain products.. brahma satyam jagan-mithyä jivo brahmaiva näparah | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22690 Registered: 10-2008 Rating: N/A |
I used both. Here is what I find. Telegram encryption is not default, you have to set it per conversation. Telegram has secret chat - which destroys the chat after conversation is over. Whatsapp lacks this. this is kind of similar to other timer based chat apps. I feel whatsapp E2E encryption is better than Telegram's because they are industry standard encryption mechanisms, while Telegram uses MTPRoto a home grown protocol. we could argue that it may be a better protocol, but when it comes to security, when something is standard it just means it has not been tested enough. Example - Iran Journalists were using telegram for secret conversations, and they got caught, although no one knows how they got caught, it seems that telegram was hacked to access journalist data - one of the journalist either intentionally or unintentionally did not encrypt the chats, it exposed every one else out. Telegram bot api has been found vulnerable as they it doesnt encrypt at the same level as other E2E enabled messages. Telegram app allows you to lock the app, whatsapp is open to anyone who got access to your phone. Telegram doesnt share data today to governments as its owned by an individual - but things may or can change. Anyway - once you have given your phone number out - and when the company insists that be your real phone number, you have already lost on security and more on privacy. Ideally - I feel that messaging should be decentralized and P2P capable. yes, that would mean messaging will route through ISPs and cellular networks, but at that point messaging encryption can be individualized, and participants can exchange encryption keys on demand. | ||
Shikari Megastar Username: Shikari Post Number: 28717 Registered: 03-2010 Rating: N/A |
signal better antaruga privacy vishayam lo http://i.imgur.com/eUYcc.gif | ||
Siloan Legend Username: Siloan Post Number: 61932 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
main difference ...tgm lo u cannot see fonumbers of non-friends | ||
Emc2 Legend Username: Emc2 Post Number: 73776 Registered: 03-2008 Rating: N/A |
Telegram is by russian and double encrypted Whatsapp single encryption But if some one thinks it is secure and more privacy good luck It's ok | ||
Brighton Side Hero Username: Brighton Post Number: 5273 Registered: 05-2014 Rating: N/A |
for secret chats, clean the history automatically , screen shots teeyakunda privacy maintain cheyyadaniki, asalu chat proof emi leekunda , future lo elanti issues rakunda undadaniki ee telegram better, whatsapp pics, screenshots, chat history unchukoni blackmail chesevallani drustilo pettukoni design chesinatlunnaru | ||
Uno Side Hero Username: Uno Post Number: 4748 Registered: 03-2016 Rating: N/A |
so what ? when you can not access servers or have encryption keys Telegram is 'more' safer than whatspp ..and it does not mean telegram is 100% secure and private | ||
Rudraksha Side Hero Username: Rudraksha Post Number: 7260 Registered: 07-2012 Rating: N/A |
//where as it is zero in case of Telegram kiki, though they say the code is open source, it is developed by Russian based Germans | ||
Uno Side Hero Username: Uno Post Number: 4747 Registered: 03-2016 Rating: N/A |
yes, but the probability of whatsapp handing over chats/encryption keys ,when asked by Law Enforcement is more.. where as it is zero in case of Telegram | ||
Mahiz Side Hero Username: Mahiz Post Number: 2893 Registered: 10-2012 Rating: N/A |
whatsapp kuda E2E secured ee kadha .. Janani Janma-bhoomi-scha Swargadapi Gariyasi | ||
Uno Side Hero Username: Uno Post Number: 4746 Registered: 03-2016 Rating: N/A |
The main advantage of telegram is privacy ..your communication is encrypted Telegram servers are based in Russia and LE agencies can not access your chats and history BTW telegram group size limit is 75k ..and for some super groups it is 100k | ||
Starc Side Hero Username: Starc Post Number: 8393 Registered: 03-2015 Rating: N/A |
Telegram ee madya bagane popular ayyindi. May be becoz of no limit on group size. asia lo bagane use chestunnaru |