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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 12:58 pm:       


Pidugu:


I now like Ajanta story. It will go well in my pf with granules where ajanta will act as a stable 25 to 30% compounder and granules a big multi-bagger potential pick. Even if auctus doesn't workout, current biz + omnichem jv should deliver 20 to 25% growth.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 12:50 pm:       


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true. we are playing for margin expansion plus pe expansion here. if both happen returns will be great.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 12:45 pm:       


Jalsa:

Ajanta, Granules, Gruh, Repco, PI, Page tho PF set cheyaali



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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 12:40 pm:       


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I think the outcome of auctus acquisition will decide whether granules PE will remain around 20 or 40.

Couple of ANDA approvals will be game changer and smaller base of Granules will also help a lot.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 12:33 pm:       

jalsa, look at tata elxsi.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 12:32 pm:       


Jalsa:

1-2 IT companies




nenu naalugu septaa.

HCLTech, TCS,Infy, Mindtree
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 12:31 pm:       


Pidugu:



Ustad:



great discussion! Ajanta, Granules, Gruh, Repco, PI, Page tho PF set cheyaali :D
1-2 IT companies kooda cheppeyandi paduntai :D
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 12:23 pm:       


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yes. PE expansion will help in granules but it is in low margin business compared to ajanta and shilpa even after it increases formulation revenue share. for ajanta brand name does not help in US but the market is so huge that whatever it can eat into will be a big help.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 12:14 pm:       


Pidugu:

for ajanta.. brand, mind share with doctors..huge time to build anda pipeline..


Good point. That works well in India, how about US where Ajanta doesn't have any brand value.




Pidugu:

for shilpa..locked in customers..large capex cycle of 7-8 years..105 patents.. 9 out of top 20 Oncology molecules going off-patent 2015 onwards..



Cool. So, ajanta is a consistent compounder like Dravid and Shilpa is like Dhoni (hard hits once a while).

BTW, if Granules can get some ANDA though auctus then I think the returns will be more sweeter then Ajanta or Shilpa can offer considering the scope of margin and PE expansion potential it has.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:56 am:       


Ustad:

it and sell it at lower margin




for ajanta.. brand, mind share with doctors..huge time to build anda pipeline..

for shilpa..locked in customers..large capex cycle of 7-8 years..105 patents.. 9 out of top 20 Oncology molecules going off-patent 2015 onwards..
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:44 am:       


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they wont file any patent. patent exclusivity is for a period of time. after that anyone can manufacture drugs on that molecule.just ANDA is filed and aproved.


What is the moat in this case. Some other pharma can also do it and sell it at lower margin.

Once an ANDA is approved, same drug will not be approved to other pharma company?
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:40 am:       


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ajanta bottom line can grow 25-30% for next 3 years. if US foray is well executed it can add to that.


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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:28 am:       


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yes thats my PF and it is independent of monsoon :-) only my nbfcs will be helped by rate cut and economic activity rest of pf is independent of macros.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:20 am:       


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shilpa will have blockbuster years in 2017 and 2020. ajanta is secular growth story. shilpa earnings will be lumpy.


why bro...also the list u gave...is tht ur pf?

this year with syuperb rains...sensex will zooommmmmmm ani naa idi...esp ba nkjs...rate cuts sure antunnaru....food inflation will be less
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:17 am:       


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Ajanta compared to Shilpa




shilpa will have blockbuster years in 2017 and 2020. ajanta is secular growth story. shilpa earnings will be lumpy.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:14 am:       


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that trick did not work for capoxine. once ANDAs are approved there is no more risk.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:12 am:       


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they wont file any patent. patent exclusivity is for a period of time. after that anyone can manufacture drugs on that molecule.just ANDA is filed and aproved. manufacturing facility needs to be approved by USFDA as well. both take a painful lot of time. there is risk of periodic inspections which can cause drugs being banned at a later time.

we are at a phase which they are calling patent cliff. huge number of patents are expiring/expired between 2013-2016 which is the reason for bull run in pharma sector.



What Ustad meant was about the original company filing a new patent based on a small modification to the expiring patent.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:10 am:       


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ajanta bottom line can grow 25-30% for next 3 years. if US foray is well executed it can add to that.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:08 am:       


Ustad:

files new patent




they wont file any patent. patent exclusivity is for a period of time. after that anyone can manufacture drugs on that molecule.just ANDA is filed and aproved. manufacturing facility needs to be approved by USFDA as well. both take a painful lot of time. there is risk of periodic inspections which can cause drugs being banned at a later time.

we are at a phase which they are calling patent cliff. huge number of patents are expiring/expired between 2013-2016 which is the reason for bull run in pharma sector.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:06 am:       


Jalsa:

I don't know which drugs/sector does Ajanta participate in


Cardiovascular, dermatology, erectile dysfunc etc

Only cardiovascular is regulated and less margins. Remaining areas have huge margins.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:06 am:       


Jalsa:

I don't know which drugs/sector does Ajanta participate in


Cardiovascular, dermatology, erectile dysfunc () etc

Only cardiovascular is regulated and less margins. Remaining areas have huge margins.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:04 am:       


Pidugu:

shilpa will only grow after 2017 but lot of people already jumped on and waiting. dont expect any growth till 2017.


Numbers are looking too good for Ajanta compared to Shilpa but shipa's base is small which is a big plus.

I checked if mgmt gave any growth forecast for next few years but did not find any. Do you know what is projected top and bottom line growth for ajanta?

I don't mind paying 40 times earnings as long as bottom line is growing at 30%.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:03 am:       


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40% is max that can be clocked. ajanta operates in niche segments.. optha, derma, cardio and diabetic drugs.. margins are high here..

only sun and lupin operate at those margins. ajanta is trying to emulate them and doing good so far.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 11:01 am:       


Ustad:

Next question. Most of the break through drug companies makes some improvement to existing drug and files new patent and most of the time it gets approved. What kind of impact such moves will have on expired drug filing by indian cos and sales (if approved)?



Yes they do and they get challenged as well. I don't know which drugs/sector does Ajanta participate in, but there are a huge number of drugs out there that have patent expiring.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:58 am:       


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most of indian companies file new drug applications on patent expired drugs. not break though drugs. so expect 40% margins. break through drugs can expect 95% margins. we are not going there..


ohhh...makes sense now. This was a big dilemma for me because I am invested in big pharma cos like Celgene/Gilead and was wondering Ajanta/Shilpa type companies are capable of doing new drugs.

Next question. Most of the break through drug companies makes some improvement to existing drug and files new patent and most of the time it gets approved. What kind of impact such moves will have on expired drug filing by indian cos and sales (if approved)?
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:57 am:       


Pidugu:

so expect 40% margins. break through drugs can expect 95% margins



Idhi theleedhu :-) Good to know the margins on patent expired products.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:51 am:       


Pidugu:

most of indian companies file new drug applications on patent expired drugs. not break though drugs. so expect 40% margins. break through drugs can expect 95% margins. we are not going there..



That's correct. Ustad, Indian cos are not into true R&D. Generic versions meedha or biosimilars meedha anukunta. Or contract manufacturing.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:49 am:       


Ustad:

R&D




most of indian companies file new drug applications on patent expired drugs. not break though drugs. so expect 40% margins. break through drugs can expect 95% margins. we are not going there..
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:46 am:       


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shilpa will only grow after 2017 but lot of people already jumped on and waiting. dont expect any growth till 2017.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:39 am:       


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great! so portfolio might be expanding - have to think of it as 2 per sector :-)
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:38 am:       


Pidugu:



Pidugu:

It is yet to even start in US in a big way.


Can they compete in R&D with big pharma juggernauts in US? FDA filing is lot of work and costs ton of money. I hope they are well prepared.

Need to check Shilpa. I know their earnings are lumpy and need to see if has potential to be a 10 bagger from here.
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:33 am:       


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i would say yes. there is a huge runway ahead. It is yet to even start in US in a big way. It has 25 ANDAs filed. 2 approved. only 1 launched. so lot of growth ahead. i believe they wont falter in execution.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:32 am:       


Pidugu:


I was running Guru BM's checklist on Ajanta and one of the item is "Does this stock has potential to be a 10 bagger in reasonable amount of time".

I couldn't put a convincing "Yes". Your thoughts?
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:28 am:       


Pidugu:


I was running Guru BM's checklist on Ajanta and one of the item is "Does this stock has potential to be a 10 bagger in reasonable amount of time".

I couldn't put a convincing "Yes". Your thoughts?
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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 10:03 am:       

historically also top line growth is not that great but the margin expansion contributed to higher bottom line growth. bottom line grew 39%. Also PE rerating helped the stock price appreciation. now expecting margin to be steady and pe to be steady( i am being conservative. market may choose to pay premium ).

Next triggers : US foray, anda approvals

IF US sales picks up again there will be margin expansion plus top line growth which will take it to next orbit again..
 

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Posted on Monday, June 22, 2015 - 09:39 am:       


Pidugu:

Ajanta Pharma 21.76


2015 seems to be a relatively slow year for Ajanta with 20% rev. growth. Was this a one-off year or will continue to be low 20's rev. growth from here on due to bigger base etc?
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Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2015 - 12:21 pm:       

stfc and ipca were bought as they are good businesses but were down to a large extent due to short term hits.

stfc was down due to the hit they had to take in their subsidiary where they do equipment leasing business. management admitted they screwed up and the effect will be there for the next 2 quarters. if interest rates go down or economy picks up stfc will do good.
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2015 - 12:17 pm:       

Ajanta Pharma 21.76
Granules India 5.44
Gruh Finance 8.03
Hawkins Cookers 5.31
Ipca Laboratories 3.12
Kitex Garments 7.44
Page Industries 17.68
PI Industries 2.39
Repco Home Finance Ltd. 9.05
Shilpa Medicare 18.50
Shriram Transport Finance 1.28
 

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Posted on Friday, June 19, 2015 - 06:39 pm:       


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Looks like they don't have any moat because almost all banks and HFCs are their competitors.

Also, GRUH and REPCO have higher margins because they charge higher interest rates. They could continue charging more because of lack of competition for the customers they target and focus.

If you are convinced and see more potential in Canfin compared to Repco then I will say go for it. As you already know conviction is the most important thing.
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Posted on Friday, June 19, 2015 - 05:00 pm:       


Ustad:



I looked at Can fin.
It's not in the same type of lending as Repco and Gruh.
The average loan ticket is 18.02 lakhs and primarily lend to salaried class.

Now, since last year they started increasing the percentage of lending to commercial properties and are targeting it to be 25% of loan portfolio. Within Housing loans, around 80% is for salaried and rest to self-employed and others. Rural breakdown is not there.

Yes, their RoA is less than Gruh and Repco, but NPAs are lowest in the sector. They recently got AAA credit rating which means they can tap into funds at a lower rate which should improve metrics. This, combined with operational improvements and focus on increasing commercial lending (higher margin) should be trigger points in my opinion.
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 02:55 pm:       


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I dont mind bad UI if am not paying much for the brokerage etc.

India's top bank ayyundi icici site looks like marshalls or ross store. things lying all over


ui of icicidirect is horrible...how is zerodha?
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 01:49 pm:       


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brokerage is very low. you would be paying 4000 where you will pay 40000 with icici. I was ok paying high brokerage thinking i am paying for the service but after the harrasment i went through for KYC with icici i opened with zerodha.
 

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Asdf:

zerodha site availability etc ela vuntundi?


Did not see any problem since past 2 months.
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 01:46 pm:       


Jalsa:

One thing I'm thinking about is Gruh/Repco laantivi chaala raavachu, like Diwan, Ashiana etc.


I think Sanjay Bakshi is into Ashiana. Not sure what is their business model and moat.
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You won't like zerodha interface as well. very bad




I dont mind bad UI if am not paying much for the brokerage etc.

India's top bank ayyundi icici site looks like marshalls or ross store. things lying all over
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 01:31 pm:       


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zerodha site availability etc ela vuntundi?



baundhi. You won't like zerodha interface as well. very bad. But, the website, mobile app and desktop trading platforms are good enough to do investing :-)

They're going to launch new versions of both web site and trading tool soon.
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zerodha site availability etc ela vuntundi?
icici site i did not like it, looks like 90s website.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 01:22 pm:       

I have to pump some more cash. Gruh/PI/Granules/Page are my holdings.

One thing I'm thinking about is Gruh/Repco laantivi chaala raavachu, like Diwan, Ashiana etc. These new entrants might not be penetrate in existing markets, but other markets lo share povachu. How strong is the brand Gruh/Repco anedhi convince avvaali. I know it's a very big market size.
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 01:04 pm:       

cool. i like all the companies except reliance. too big a company to grow more than 20%. if you are using zerodha put my referral code DH0658. that is my client id.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 12:59 pm:       


Pidugu:


ofcourse we will use the db. whatsapp is one more channel


thanks bro...

based on this thread,...I finalised repco/gruh/granules/page....reliance jio 4g is gonna be abig hit..so relianc e industries kooda add cheyatam better ani..
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 12:55 pm:       


Vjawarrior:




ofcourse we will use the db. whatsapp is one more channel
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 12:45 pm:       


Feelgud:

Ustad the only red flag in Repco is semi govt company though voting rights defers


Yep
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 12:40 pm:       


Maverick:


are you driving the effort of creating whatsapp group?


dont do this...please post in the db....everyone can post here..
whatsapp is very irritating with all the alerts...
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 12:39 pm:       

Ustad the only red flag in Repco is semi govt company though voting rights defers
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 12:32 pm:       


Feelgud:

Repco is growing with 30% CAGR earnings since last 10 years ..very proven track record .. And they are expanding to other states what more u want


Mgmt increased their forecast this week to above 30% growth after "housing for all by 2022" is approved by GOI.

PEG ratio of less than 1 for a high quality company is a steal.
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Repco is growing with 30% CAGR earnings since last 10 years ..very proven track record .. And they are expanding to other states what more u want :-)
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 12:15 pm:       


Pidugu:

but i am going with MD guidance.. trusting him.. land deals going down would not impact low cost housing i guess.


Management has delivery everything they've promised so far therefore there is no reason to doubt their numbers.

However, based on price action, it seems market is concerned about TN RE bubble.

I think it is a good opportunity for people who are convinced about Repco story to strengthen their position.
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 11:56 am:       


Pidugu:


not me, i think its ustad or saint
Happy Vizag
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 11:56 am:       


Pidugu:


yes. adding you as well. just saw the email.


I will add Mav.
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 11:52 am:       


Maverick:




was that yu who mailed? vja2va or vjawarrior?
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 11:44 am:       


Maverick:




yes. adding you as well. just saw the email.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 11:42 am:       


Pidugu&Ustad:




are you driving the effort of creating whatsapp group?
Happy Vizag
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 11:24 am:       


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but i am going with MD guidance.. trusting him.. land deals going down would not impact low cost housing i guess.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 10:51 am:       


Pidugu:



Valuepickr lo ayithe they were saying something about TamilNadu real estate bubble.
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 10:32 am:       


Ustad:

urrent action in GRUH and not Repco




even i am surprised. good that you can still load on to repco.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 09:56 am:       

I am quite surprised by the current action in GRUH and not Repco.

GRUH mgmt doesn't want to grow above 25% where as Repco mgmt said they can do more than 30 (from previous forecast of 25 to 30) in yesterday's interview. Strange huh.
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 09:38 am:       


Jalsa:

let's see if this will hold.


As BM said in his last interview, market without earnings is like a car running out of petrol...can't go too far. So far market is defying it...let's see how far it can go like this.
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 09:23 am:       


Ustad:

Market totally stumped me.

Based on technicals, earnings, monsoon, rate cut and other factors I was expecting more correction but market came back like a phoenix from ashes. 5 straight green sessions is unbelievable.

Dear Market - I yield, my lord



let's see if this will hold.
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Pidugu:


Market totally stumped me.

Based on technicals, earnings, monsoon, rate cut and other factors I was expecting more correction but market came back like a phoenix from ashes. 5 straight green sessions is unbelievable.

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 01:53 am:       


Pidugu:

i am expecting repco will also fire given the MD guidance yesterday after govt announced affordable housing policy


Yep, I loaded more today after CEO's above 30% growth statement.
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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 01:46 am:       

i am expecting repco will also fire given the MD guidance yesterday after govt announced affordable housing policy
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2015 - 01:03 am:       

Gruh & Page
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Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - 04:28 pm:       


Jalsa:

AGM
on 26-Jun-15 (Rs.2.0000 per share(100%)Dividend)
100% enti?




when they say dividend , it is some % on base price. Here 2rs is base price . When they say 100 bonus , you will get 2rs per every share u own.

this time infy gave 590% bonus. Their base price is 5rs , so dividned is 29.5Rs per every share we own.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - 11:35 am:       


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'Housing for All by 2022' scheme


Gruh & Repco kuda choodu. 'Housing for All by 2022' scheme ok ayyindi. Inka kummudeee kummuduuu.
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Jalsa:


Cool
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Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - 11:22 am:       


Ustad:

Granules India




small amount tho enter ayyanu oka 3 weeks back. avg down seyalsindi, liquidating other stuff slowly.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - 11:15 am:       


Ustad:

There is no major news...it is possible that someone might have bought a big position in Granules.



Ledhu, mahesh ichina news warrants ye anukunta. apparently, it's a good thing to issue themselves some equity to raise capital as it's a sign of confidence in the company.
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Jalsa:


There is no major news...it is possible that someone might have bought a big position in Granules.
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Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - 10:36 am:       


Jalsa:

dhaaniki peragadam enti? they're issuing themselves quite a few shares.



nanu aduguthay nenu emi chespthanu ..
 

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Mahesh_fan:

Granules India will hold a meeting of the Board of Directors of the Company on 20 June 2015, to consider the issue of warrants on preferential basis to promoters of the Company.


dhaaniki peragadam enti? they're issuing themselves quite a few shares.
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Mahesh_fan:

Granules India will hold a meeting of the Board of Directors of the Company on 20 June 2015, to consider the issue of warrants on preferential basis to promoters of the Company.


Doesn't look like a news which would boost stock price by 8%. Must be something else.
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Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - 10:34 am:       

Govt launches 'Housing for All by 2022' scheme

Government on Wednesday launched its 'Housing for All by 2022' mission and approved a substantial increase in interest relief on loan for the urban poor to promote affordable homes. The Union Cabinet chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi accepted the recommendations of an Inter-Ministerial Committee to increase interest subvention to 6.50 per cent on housing loans to beneficiaries belonging to economic weaker section (EWS) including slum- dwellers and low income groups (LIGs).

Read more at: http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/economy/govt-launches-housi ng-for-all-by-2022-scheme_1516721.html?utm_source=ref_articl e


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Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - 10:30 am:       

AGM
on 26-Jun-15 (Rs.2.0000 per share(100%)Dividend)
100% enti?
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Ustad:

Any idea why Granules was on fire today?



Granules India will hold a meeting of the Board of Directors of the Company on 20 June 2015, to consider the issue of warrants on preferential basis to promoters of the Company.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - 10:23 am:       

How much is the dividend for GRUH?
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Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - 10:02 am:       


Awara1984:

experts mee opinion seppandi


No idea.
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Pidugu:


Any idea why Granules was on fire today?
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Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - 03:53 am:       

PTC financial services

valuepickr lo deeni mida baaga disco sesthunnaru

experts mee opinion seppandi
 

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+ PI
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Pidugu:

i love my dividends :-). when ever i buy i check the dividend paying history as wel


Good
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i love my dividends :-). when ever i buy i check the dividend paying history as well..
 

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Pidugu:

should have added yesterday.. you would have got dividend. it went ex-dividend yesterday..


hmmm. I wasn't aware of it.
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should have added yesterday.. you would have got dividend. it went ex-dividend yesterday..
 

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+ GRUH
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 01:39 pm:       


Jalsa:




hope she recovers and have very good health..god bless u r daughter..
 

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Pidugu:

http://forum.valuepickr.com/t/valuepickr-scorecard-aug-2011/ 507



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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 12:27 pm:       

http://forum.valuepickr.com/t/valuepickr-scorecard-aug-2011/ 507
 

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Pidugu:


How to get access to Valupickr portfolio. Is there any thread on the forum?
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Pidugu:

latest interview done by ian cassel


Read it yesterday. Came to know about his Fund after reading this interview.
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Ustad:

Sanjay Bakshi




http://microcapclub.com/2015/06/interview-with-professor-and -fund-manager-sanjay-bakshi/

latest interview done by ian cassel
 

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Jalsa:

2 days hospital lo ne saripoyindhi...market malli padithey inka konaali PI and Page.


i hope she gets well soon and u go home .....nijamgaa....bro...hats off...judst hats off to ur attitude...
 

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Jalsa:




how is she now? take care bro
 

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Value investing The Sanjay Bakshi way

Very good and must read. I hope he writes a book some day because the improvisations he made to Graham, Buffett and Munger principles are mind blowing.

http://www.safalniveshak.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Valu e-Investing-The-Sanjay-Bakshi-Way-Safal-Niveshak-Special.pdf
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Jalsa:


I hope she is feeling better now.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 09:57 am:       

2 days hospital lo ne saripoyindhi...market malli padithey inka konaali PI and Page.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 09:56 am:       

hmm, so that's why PI and Page are going up.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 02:30 am:       

same pattern with eicher as well. held 4.76 lakh shares worth 230 cr on feb 2014 and now hiked it to 7.59 laksh shares. they are worth now 1300 cr.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 02:27 am:       

they make an initial bet and then increase stake. look what happened when they bought page:

http://www.vccircle.com/news/construction/2014/03/12/cartica -capital-hikes-stake-jockey-innerwear-maker-page-industries- buys

they made an initial bet for 300 cr and then hiked it later from the market.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 02:11 am:       


Pidugu:

cartica may be buying more.


They already invested 320C. More the merrier.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 01:43 am:       

cartica may be buying more.

http://rakesh-jhunjhunwala.in/cartica-capital-latest-portfol io-pi-industries-high-growth-high-pe-stock-portfolio-of-winn ing-stocks/
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 01:29 am:       

On June 15, 2015 Cartica Capital Ltd bought 52,94,249 shares of PI Industries at Rs 605 on the BSE. However, Citigroup Global Markets Mauritius Pvt Ltd sold 16,00,000 shares at Rs 605 and Ironwood Investment Holdings sold 37,00,000 shares at Rs 605.01.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 01:23 am:       

PI Industries...wats going on?
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 01:10 am:       


Pidugu:


Do you know anyone who took vishal K's (safalniveshak) value investing course. What is the feedback?
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 01:08 am:       


Pidugu:

i believe he made great returns on ashiana as well.. i was reading on twitter and saw that he started with 3 crores and made 24% for 12 years and 45% for the last 3 years which made the 3 cores to 120 crores now


When will we reach 10 digit pf. Hopefully in 20 years from now.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 01:01 am:       

i believe he made great returns on ashiana as well.. i was reading on twitter and saw that he started with 3 crores and made 24% for 12 years and 45% for the last 3 years which made the 3 cores to 120 crores now
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 12:49 am:       


Pidugu:

relaxo, ashiana, ambika cotton etc.


Relaxo & Ambika hit kada. ValueQuest Capital" lo full kummestunnadu.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 12:44 am:       

he hasn't written any book. atleast nothing that i know of but his blog has lot of information on the businesses he choose to study and teach.. relaxo, ashiana, ambika cotton etc.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 12:40 am:       


Pidugu:

Ustad, Retail is getting into equities via mutual fund route. In the past they used to pull out whenever there is correction and put in money at the peaks. This time retail seem to be matured. the fund in flows have been increasing this time. Also the bigger money is coming from EPFO funds. EPFO has decided to park money into equities rather than govt bonds.


This is really good. It reduces dependency on foreign investors.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 12:39 am:       


Pidugu:

Sanjay Bakshi holds relaxo. He posted his lecture on relaxo online.


Read a bit about it on his blog. Will watch his youtube presentation.

The improvisation he made to Graham, Buffett and Munger principles is quite amazing. Did he write any book? It would be an interesting read.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 12:02 am:       

Sanjay Bakshi holds relaxo. He posted his lecture on relaxo online. If you are interested you can go through it. I did not see much brand recall in my head for relaxo but it seems to be different in other states. company has been doing good.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 12:00 am:       

Ustad, Retail is getting into equities via mutual fund route. In the past they used to pull out whenever there is correction and put in money at the peaks. This time retail seem to be matured. the fund in flows have been increasing this time. Also the bigger money is coming from EPFO funds. EPFO has decided to park money into equities rather than govt bonds.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 10:27 pm:       


Ustad:

Anyone holding Relaxo footwear?




sometime back also , someone discussed about this share. Not sure u r the one or someone else..

how it is compare to Bata ?
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 09:43 pm:       

Anyone holding Relaxo footwear?

Looks like another solid secular growth company with low debt, good ROE and great brand.

Can it continue to grow it's earnings at 30% for next 5 to 10 years?
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 03:16 pm:       


Jalsa:

daanni bonus antaara? stock split kadhaa




as far as i know.

Split or Bonus : shares will increase and share price will reduce appropriately.
In case of Bonus , there is no change in base price.
In case of Split , Base price will also change based on split ratio.

In 2009 TCS split their share into 1:10 when share price was around 3000Rs and base price was 10Rs, which means that after split their base price was 1Rs and share price was 300Rs.
Today Infy gave bonus , their base is still same , but share price became 50% of original price..
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 03:11 pm:       


Asdf:

oh ok, nenu inkaa dividend type anukunna




Dividend kooda announced 590% per share , which is 29.5Rs per share.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 02:43 pm:       


Jalsa:

daanni bonus antaara? stock split kadhaa



number of shares increase ithay stock value same undadu kadha.. untay market cap same day lo double avuthundhi .. stock split face value medha split chestharu already 1rup untay inka split avadhu just bonus...
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 02:11 pm:       


Pidugu:

I believe DIIs are absorbing all the FII selling and this is going to continue..


What is the reason for such huge increase in DII funds. More people are getting attracted to stocks in India?

IMO, this sell-off is far from over because of weak earnings, upcoming US interest rate hike and greece non-sense.
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 12:32 pm:       


Redsox2009:

Whats happening with CI?



anthem reached them with 175
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 12:28 pm:       


111:

endhuku bad , you can buy now..

u won't gain anything with bonus as u r price will become 50% and number of shares will double. So it will be the same value..right? am i missing something.



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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 11:51 am:       

Whats happening with CI?
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 11:23 am:       


111:

u won't gain anything with bonus as u r price will become 50% and number of shares will double. So it will be the same value..right? am i missing something.




oh ok, nenu inkaa dividend type anukunna
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 10:55 am:       


Asdf:

time bad, monnane sagam amminchesaan




endhuku bad , you can buy now..

u won't gain anything with bonus as u r price will become 50% and number of shares will double. So it will be the same value..right? am i missing something.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 09:51 am:       

All dividend plays will go down as bonds will offer good yields.
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 09:51 am:       


Asdf:

Greece escalate aithe GLD will go up in short term?


GLD & USD.
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 02:23 am:       

Greece escalate aithe GLD will go up in short term?
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 02:23 am:       


111:

Infosys Bonus shares declare chesindhi..around 5-6 months back bonus echharu , malli eppudu echharu..




time bad, monnane sagam amminchesaan
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 01:50 am:       

Since May 2014, aggregate inflows into domestic Equity MFs at Rs 91,800cr is almost equal to total inflows of past 12 yrs

around 25 bn EPFO money to flow into equities by end of october..

so there is lot of money waiting to get into the markets. while all markets are red we are green. I believe DIIs are absorbing all the FII selling and this is going to continue..
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 01:16 am:       

ESSOR OIL increased 50% in last 4 days..

Shares of Essar Oil were locked in upper circuit of 10% at Rs 154, also its fresh 52-week high on the BSE, on back of heavy volumes.

In past four trading sessions, the stock of oil & gas firm has zoomed 52% from Rs 101 on June 9, 2015 compared to a marginal 0.02% gain in the S&P BSE Sensex.

The trading volumes on the counter more-than-doubled with a combined 7.22 million shares changed hands on the BSE and NSE.

At 1025 hours, there were pending buy orders for 44,919 shares on both the exchanges.

On June 12, with reference to the increase in volume, Essar Oil had clarified to BSE that as on date there is no event, information or development in the company which is required to be submitted as per Clause 36 of the Listing Agreement

asalu emi event lekunda , ee raise emiti..?
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 12:53 am:       


111:

why did u expect it won't be green..any specific reason OR going by last 2,3 weeks of market mood..


Greece talks failure over the weekend.
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 12:30 am:       


Ustad:

Surprisingly market is green today




why did u expect it won't be green..any specific reason OR going by last 2,3 weeks of market mood..
 

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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 12:25 am:       

Surprisingly market is green today.
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Posted on Monday, June 15, 2015 - 12:14 am:       

Infosys Bonus shares declare chesindhi..around 5-6 months back bonus echharu , malli eppudu echharu...
 

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Posted on Sunday, June 14, 2015 - 11:49 pm:       

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