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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 06:04 am:       


Boston_Baba:


that sounds good. But absolute no.s gives a btr picture than percentages.
 

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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 04:39 am:       


Bongaram:

you need to compare how the backward areas of the states progressed. be it rayalaseema or kutch



very well said. almost 100% increase in Per capita income in all districts (thread initiator data)
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 04:35 am:       


Boston_baba:

across the country.. monsoon was good.


no.. AP has got a luxury of having 2 of southern India's largest rivers flowing through it and fortunately we got good share in these waters.

If you really want to gauze the development, you need to compare how the backward areas of the states progressed. be it rayalaseema or kutch
 

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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 04:31 am:       


Boston_baba:

btw... 2004-09, AP agri-growth (production quantity) is 6.4%,


And then there is crop holiday because of high input costs and non availability of labor.. :D
 

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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 04:07 am:       


Chandu4kalyan:

@boston baba poverty baga reduce ayindi ani vundi ga dani gurunchi



agreed.
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 03:59 am:       


Tilak:

simple boss .. you are showing me (production quantity) growth .. am showing u .. the high rate of suicides .. evadi criteria vadidi ..




top rank maade & highest no. of firstclass/distinction maave anentha difference undi.. both stats lo.
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 03:57 am:       


Tilak:

fight with monsanto to bring back bt.cotton price to 750/- from 1800/-



deeni meeda, neeku already proof chupinchanu.. one more time.
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 03:54 am:       


Tilak:

without any proofs



yenadaina, proofs lekunda oka stat vesindi ledu.. above description ki proofs nemmadiga okkoti istanu le as always.. dont worry...
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 02:37 am:       


Boston_baba:

2004-09 agri ki, fight with monsanto to bring back bt.cotton price to 750/- from 1800/-. crop insurance, pashukranthi, subsidies for dairyfarms (better growth than agri-growth here), loan-waiver, interest waiver, proper fertilizers, seeds, proper procurement, increase in MSP. along with that, additional 20L acres ayacut stabilization thru jalayagnam.


nuvvu ila oka chantaadu antha list without any proofs quote chesukuntoo vellipothe .. nenem matladalenu ane kada nee thought?
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 02:35 am:       


Boston_baba:

labour became costly.


enduku antav?
 

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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 02:33 am:       


Boston_baba:

now when u r using as proof for ur arguement.


adi proof kaadu mastaru .. the monsoons benefited AP the most .. kavalante .. P Sainath Hindu lo 2009 lo raasina series chaduvuko .. he gave it with stats .. I am just quoting that statement to show u .. how the monsoon was the reason for the bounty .. not any one person ..

Boston_baba:

as govt, em cheyali/ em chesindi/em cheyaledu. ivi chusukunte chalu kada...


simple boss .. you are showing me (production quantity) growth .. am showing u .. the high rate of suicides .. evadi criteria vadidi ..
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 02:28 am:       


Tilak:

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as govt, em cheyali/ em chesindi/em cheyaledu. ivi chusukunte chalu kada...

2004-09 agri ki, fight with monsanto to bring back bt.cotton price to 750/- from 1800/-. crop insurance, pashukranthi, subsidies for dairyfarms (better growth than agri-growth here), loan-waiver, interest waiver, proper fertilizers, seeds, proper procurement, increase in MSP. along with that, additional 20L acres ayacut stabilization thru jalayagnam.
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 02:25 am:       


Tilak:

insane input costs?



cheppa kada, agri doesnt have enuf ROI. mostly thanks to endorsing of WB/IMF policies by successive central govts.
ysr made sure that, power/ferti/seeds/bt-cotton & other inputs costs are under check. labour became costly. MSP kuda penchadu. most of MS swaminathan committe recommendations implement chesadu/
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 02:23 am:       


Tilak:

even ground water levels daarunam ga padipoyi .. nature of soil kuda change aipoyayi



Green revolution meeda kuda alternative thoughs vastunnayi... anways, as u said, a separate disco. i think, growth always comes at a cost.
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 02:22 am:       


Tilak:

reason why YSR said "Varunudu maa party" .. any other state CM said that?



LOL.... i cant stop laugh when YSR said this & now when u r using as proof for ur arguement.
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 02:16 am:       


Boston_baba:

across the country.. monsoon was good.


LOL .. AP had the best consecutive rainfall years in 35 years .. and that is the reason why YSR said "Varunudu maa party" .. any other state CM said that?

Boston_baba:

as eenadu used to write, it costs around 450C, which is much less than receovery by improving of transmission losses during that time. btw, electricity sector kuda disco jarigindi. as of now, we have power plants, but no gas... deeniki evanni tittukunna problem ledu.


baasu .. not only electricity costs (which at one point of time YSR said they are giving more than 1000 crores as free electricity subsidy per year) .. even ground water levels daarunam ga padipoyi .. nature of soil kuda change aipoyayi .. (but thats for another discussion anyways) ..

Boston_baba:

just like above are facts, this is also fact. mainly due to debt trap & not enough ROI through agriculture.


then wats the point .. state showing awesome figures due to a good monsoon blessing .. but large number of farmers committing suicide due to insane input costs? whats there to boast about?
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 02:08 am:       


Tilak:

awesome monsoons (more than avg rainfall) vachi .. kontha meraku



across the country.. monsoon was good.

Tilak:

free current valla (which literally screwed electricity sector in later years) .



as eenadu used to write, it costs around 450C, which is much less than receovery by improving of transmission losses during that time. btw, electricity sector kuda disco jarigindi. as of now, we have power plants, but no gas... deeniki evanni tittukunna problem ledu.

Tilak:

prati raithu other crops vadilesi .



u may want to check maize/pulses/corn etc other crops...

Tilak:

2004-09 lo .. same time lo .. AP lo .. 1999-04 period lo aina suicides kante ekkuva or equal level of farm suicides enduku jarigaayi?



just like above are facts, this is also fact. mainly due to debt trap & not enough ROI through agriculture.

inka 2004-09 agri ki, fight with monsanto to bring back bt.cotton price to 750/- from 1800/-. crop insurance, pashukranthi, subsidies for dairyfarms (better growth than agri-growth here), loan-waiver, interest waiver, proper fertilizers, seeds, proper procurement, increase in MSP. along with that, additional 20L acres ayacut stabilization thru jalayagnam.
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 01:56 am:       


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Just Gujarat develop ayyindi ani band melaam la ignoring the stats on ground ante vinedaniiki kastam ga vundhi.... Ahmedabad - Baroda - Anand - Surat inka Jam Nagar tappinchi migatha areas lo infrastructure is junk!


em cheptarayya .. Bharuch - Valsad - Ankaleshwar areas lo .. even Surat and Rajkot lo kuda .. investments kanipinchatleda? Guj links isthe emo .. band baja ani edupu .. and facts ignoring .. ivvakapothe emo .. oka 1/4 areas cheppi .. migilina chotla em ledu bokka ani faking ..

Boston_baba:

2004-09, AP agri-growth (production quantity) is 6.4%, highest for any state during that period.


LOL .. chaala telivi ga teestunnav ga stats .. (production quantity) ani .. 2004-09 .. awesome monsoons (more than avg rainfall) vachi .. kontha meraku .. free current valla (which literally screwed electricity sector in later years) .. prati raithu other crops vadilesi .. paddy veyyatam tho .. bountiful ayyindi .. daanike meeru visionaries .. memu maya lo padina fascists .. ROFL ..

sare .. desam lo ne highest growth ani cheptunnav ga .. 2004-09 lo .. same time lo .. AP lo .. 1999-04 period lo aina suicides kante ekkuva or equal level of farm suicides enduku jarigaayi? vyavasayanne nammukunna raithu .. vyavasayanni pandaga chesina mee hayaam lo .. enduku ekkuva ga aatma-hatyalu chesukunnadu?
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 01:06 am:       


Reddit:

Just Gujarat develop ayyindi ani band melaam la ignoring the stats on ground ante vinedaniiki kastam ga vundhi.... Ahmedabad - Baroda - Anand - Surat inka Jam Nagar tappinchi migatha areas lo infrastructure is junk!




+1.
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 12:55 am:       


Filmbuff:

If a PCI reduction is 5 years of 12000 led to a 8% reduction in poverty, how can a 5000 increase in PCI over 2 years lead to a 12% reduction in poverty.. naaku theliyali...



i never endorsed it.. may be its just magic of tendulkar committe mantra.
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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 12:45 am:       

@boston baba poverty baga reduce ayindi ani vundi ga dani gurunchi
 

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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 12:25 am:       

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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 12:14 am:       


Boston_baba:

point in other thread, if this is the same technique applied across states, i can still make meaningful conclusions out of it anedi point.




I am not concerned about other states and our comparison against them, i do not have a ideological viewpoint here, except an economic one..

If a PCI reduction is 5 years of 12000 led to a 8% reduction in poverty, how can a 5000 increase in PCI over 2 years lead to a 12% reduction in poverty.. naaku theliyali...
 

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Posted on Friday, July 26, 2013 - 12:02 am:       


Boston_baba:

annai.. no one is denying that. 2005-10 methodology different & 2010-12 differnet undemo.. point in other thread, if this is the same technique applied across states, i can still make meaningful conclusions out of it anedi point.


+1

Boston_baba:

2004-09, AP agri-growth (production quantity) is 6.4%, highest for any state during that period. highest for AP for any 5yrs period. india has set target of 4% agri-growth during that time & able to achieve 2.9%.. thx to AP's 6.4%, its somewhat respectable.


That was exactly my point even in HDI AP has done pretty well but has got a lot of catching up to do. Just Gujarat develop ayyindi ani band melaam la ignoring the stats on ground ante vinedaniiki kastam ga vundhi.... Ahmedabad - Baroda - Anand - Surat inka Jam Nagar tappinchi migatha areas lo infrastructure is junk!
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 11:55 pm:       


Chandu4kalyan:

e statistics corect kadu anukunta



evi??
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Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 11:53 pm:       

e statistics corect kadu anukunta
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 11:53 pm:       

annai.. no one is denying that. 2005-10 methodology different & 2010-12 differnet undemo.. point in other thread, if this is the same technique applied across states, i can still make meaningful conclusions out of it anedi point.

btw... 2004-09, AP agri-growth (production quantity) is 6.4%, highest for any state during that period. highest for AP for any 5yrs period. india has set target of 4% agri-growth during that time & able to achieve 2.9%.. thx to AP's 6.4%, its somewhat respectable.
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Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2013 - 11:48 pm:       

I was surprised at the poverty reduction stats of NSS yesterday. I had a look at the per capita income which is a more reliable indicator:

http://www.ap.gov.in/Other%20Docs/STATE%20ECONOMY.pdf

- Between 2005-2010 the per capita income went up by Rs12000 while the poverty % went down from 29 to 21% i.e around 8%
- Between 2010- 2012, the PCI went up by around 5000, while the NSS says that the poverty went down by another 12%
- If you see the sector wise breakdown, most of the increase in PCI over the last 2 years has come from real estate, construction, trade, restaurants and less of agriculture. Intuitively one would assume that the people below the poverty line are marginal farmer, farm labour etc and if the agriculture income has come down over the past 2 years, i find it difficult to believe that the poverty numbers have come down by that much..

I am tempted to believe that the NSS statistics are not right...

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