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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 05:30 pm:       


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Maps tho etu teeskelli ekkada vadhulthadho ento mana desi navigation system.




so long as its better than apple maps, fine. :D
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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 04:14 pm:       

Nice :-)
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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 04:00 pm:       


Coolmac:

konchem doubting ga vundhi




Naaku kuda :D But aa maata septhe, kummestharu ani seppaledu.

But ila launch cheyatam good choice. GPS is run by US govt. So adhi vadatam eppatikayna security problem ee. Russia medha depend avatam long term lo manchidhi kadhu since we have aspirations of becoming a great power.
 

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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 03:54 pm:       

Maps tho etu teeskelli ekkada vadhulthadho ento mana desi navigation system...konchem doubting ga vundhi
 

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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 02:58 pm:       


Bushu:

seems like india has the most occurrences of cloud bursts. ISRO or someone needs to focus on how to handle/predict these.




Yes and places with high foot traffic need to have good contingency/emergency exit plans
 

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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 02:37 pm:       

ISRO DRDO signed mou to install Doppler weather radars in Uttarakhand to track avalanches/cloud bursts, way baclk in 2008. http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/scripts/pressreleasein.aspx ?May01_2008

but ...

"Under modernization of the IMD, 55 Doppler radars were approved by Government of India way back in 2007-08. The IMD was to furnish an estimated price which would then go to the Ministry of Earth Sciences, which in turn sends it to Planning Commission for approval. But in these six years, the file is shuttling between three departments, moving at a snail's pace and net result is zero.""



http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/uttarakahand-floods-a-man -made-disaster-not-natural.-know-how/1/285692.html


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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 02:23 pm:       

Launch Successful

http://www.isro.org/scripts/livewebcast-c22.aspx
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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 02:17 pm:       

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_burst

seems like india has the most occurrences of cloud bursts. ISRO or someone needs to focus on how to handle/predict these.
balupu s/o gelupu
 

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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 02:07 pm:       


Goonda:

uttarakhand lo jarigindi cloud burst.. it couldnt have been found in advance..




Hmm...flash flood warnings istharu kadha advance gane
 

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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 02:05 pm:       


Patron:

We rock with such things.
With the devastation that has happened in kedarnath.......what is the point in having these technologies when not put to good use?? We had the weather satellites and still we couldn't alert the people and save them. We just seem to want to catch up but not really use it effectively. Sorry guys....though I like the acheivement....am pissed off with the situation.


brother, uttarakhand lo jarigindi cloud burst.. it couldnt have been found in advance..
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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 02:03 pm:       

We rock with such things.
With the devastation that has happened in kedarnath.......what is the point in having these technologies when not put to good use?? We had the weather satellites and still we couldn't alert the people and save them. We just seem to want to catch up but not really use it effectively. Sorry guys....though I like the acheivement....am pissed off with the situation.
 

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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 11:48 am:       

Awesome .. God bless India ..
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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 11:46 am:       

awwesome. ISRO rockkssss
 

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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 11:40 am:       

4th Country to launch satellite navigation system after US, Russia and China !!
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Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 11:38 am:       

Isro is sending up its own set of satellites, which will co-exist with GPS


http://forbesindia.com/article/real-issue/isros-very-own-gps -is-ready/35511/0

Speeding down a highway or steering through the city lanes, if you tap your smartphone or in-car navigation device to locate a fuelling station, ATM, McDonaldâs, or the good old dhaba, the one service you rely on is the global positioning system (GPS). This stable clock in space is a set of satellites that beam radio signals to receivers on earth. Without it, flights cannot operate, communication networks wonât function, drones canât fly, nor can bombs be dropped. In short, this dual-use technology is the global utility that the world has come to rely upon.

To ease Indiaâs dependence on Americaâs GPS and even to some extent on Russiaâs Glonass, the Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro) has built its own geo-spatial positioning system, a regional one at that, and called it Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System (IRNSS). If all goes according to plan, the first satellite in this series will go up on July 1. By early 2015, all seven satellites in this constellation will be up there, 35,000 km above the earth, to make the system fully operational. It will provide an all-weather absolute position over the Indian landmass and 1,500 km beyond its geo-political boundary.

With 32 satellites in orbit, GPS pretty much serves as the global reference. The US doesnât share military grade signals with countries but civilian signals, in L1 (1575.4 MHz) and L2 (1227.6 MHz) frequencies, is free for all. But as is true with all innovators, itâs believed the US practises âselective denialâ. In times of war, and sometimes even otherwise, the signals can be corrupted. Isro Chairman K Radhakrishnan says, âDuring the Gulf War, signals from some satellites were interrupted.â

Amid such uncertainties, when the default control and navigation systems in defence projects are equipped with GPS devices, a countryâs security rides on these radio signals whose control lies elsewhere. For this reason, in its upgraded BrahMos missile, India has added Glonass receivers to the standard GPS receivers because Russia, unlike US, gives access to military signals.

âIndiaâs IRNSS is a regional system, not meant for offensive but defensive purposes,â says Wing Commander Ajay Lele at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses in New Delhi. Military use is important but essentially, says Lele, 95 percent of the data one gets is for civilian use.

India had initially planned to participate in the European satellite navigation programme Galileo, which has run into delays and cost overruns. Moreover, India wasnât able to secure military grade signals from the European programme. So the choice finally rests in building its own system. At a modest cost of Rs 1,420 crore, IRNSS has turned out a programme that the world is keenly watching.

From the time the project was sanctioned in July 2006 to July 2013, when the first launch will take place, itâs been an exploration. âFrom defining the signal structure to fixing ground infrastructure to determining the measurement system, everything had to be done ab initio. We didnât know how to do this,â says AS Ganeshan, programme director for satellite navigation at Isro. While other global systems have their satellites placed in middle earth, at a height of about 20,000 km, Isro chose to go up another 15,000 km. In that orbit, choosing how to place a minimum number of satellites at what degrees so as to cover the entire Indian region was a challenge, says Ganeshan. The team went through about 100,000 combinations, he says.

One of the hallmarks of Isro programmes is their cost effectiveness. Its most-trusted rocket, Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV), is being used to launch these satellites. All seven satellites are identical and need to be launched in an orbit which has traditionally required a different class of rocket, one that launches its heavier communication satellites. âWe worked with very compact designs which allowed us to use PSLV and this has kept the cost very low,â says N Prahlad Rao, director, Satellite Communication & Navigation.

But the heart of IRNSS lies in the master clock. âThe Americans, the Europeans⦠all have their standard time. We also had to establish our own standard time,â says Ganeshan. A master clock provides the timing reference for the generation of the navigation signal. This atomic clock maintains accuracy of better than 20 nano-seconds with respect to any universal time. It provides stability of 0.4 or 0.5 nanoseconds variation in a day. âTomorrow this becomes the reference for providing service to the user,â says Ganeshan.

Itâs Users All the Way
Google and Apple may have killed the portable or standalone GPS devices, making the phone the always-on location finder, but the service itself is poised for rapid growth. The worldwide market for navigation and location-based services is estimated to grow to $13.4 billion in 2014. Thereâs no precise number for the Indian market, which is estimated to be less than $500 million, but its acceptance is increasing. Unlike the West, which started with GPS tracking devices and then moved to smartphones, India is taking the reverse route. Every smartphone is a GPS receiver today and by the end of 2013, nearly 67 million people will be its users in India. The sheer size of the potential market is impressive but the usage is not.

In India, thereâs been quite a revolution in the use of digital maps, but commercial value has not been created, says Rakesh Verma, managing director of MapmyIndia, a GPS navigation solutions and digital maps company. His company has mapped almost the entire ecosystemâfrom geographic information system solutions to navigable maps, navigation devices to phone and tablet apps to the last mile connectivity with house level maps.


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One reason for less-than-expected growth, says Verma, is that some companies have created the âperception that location-based service is free, which it is not, and that has hindered its expansionâ. âThese companies make location-based services free by subsidising it by other accounts,â he argues. (Without naming Google, heâs taking a dig at it.) Still, the question to ask is: Will having an Indian positioning system in orbit help?

Industry would want to watch the stability of IRNSS before influencing manufacturers to incorporate its signals. While service providers like MapmyIndia will have no issues running their solution on one signal or the other, itâs the manufacturers of devices, be it phone or receivers, who need to take a call whether they want to add IRNSS with GPS and Glonass.

Some of them are already looking ahead to it. âWe have developed receivers compatible with all existing systems, so we are certainly keen to add our IRNSS signal to the existing solution,â says Vyasaraj, senior manager at Accord Software & Systems, a Bangalore-based company that makes GPS receivers and other solutions for Global Navigation Satellite Systems.

One of the advantages, he says, is that IRNSS supports two signals in L5 and S frequency bands, which correct the error that creeps in due to the ionosphere. It is a region in the upper atmosphere with a high concentration of free electrons due to solar radiation and impacts radio wave transmission. All other global systems operate in L1 and L2 frequencies. Because of this, says Vyasaraj, reliance on the civilian signal will be better than other existing operational systems during âdisturbed timesâ.

Reliability is also ensured in times of cosmic events like solar flares that are common in the 11-year solar cycle and sometimes damage the satellites.

Vyasaraj rules out manufacturers having any hesitation in making their devices compatible with IRNSS signals. From the design and global competition perspective, he says, receiver makers follow âall-in-viewâ feature, which means, all good devices should be able to work with all the signals that come from the satellites in orbit, irrespective of their nationality.

All this doesnât mean Isroâs task ends with the satellite launches. Verma says it should create awareness and support the industry through seminars and technology symposiums. âIt will create both pull and push effect.â On the technological front, challenges may arise in miniaturising the receiver antenna for S-band, a frequency never used for this purpose before.

Engineers also fear that since Indian satellites will be at a pretty high elevation, they may not lend themselves for indoor applications.

These can at best be termed teething issues, which Isro would perhaps be keen to address in its own interest. In the US, GPS is under attack: Not only are its satellites aging but even next-generation mobile broadband services are vying for a piece of the electromagnetic spectrum that GPS uses. âThe fear with other systems is that any day they may be switched off, but with IRNSS, we donât expect it to be switched off,â says Vyasaraj.

India should also attract other countries in the region to use IRNSS. GPS is a success because the whole world uses it; even China is making its system, Compass, commercially available, says Lele. âAt some point India needs to use its space faring abilities as soft power.â


Read more: http://forbesindia.com/article/real-issue/isros-very-own-gps -is-ready/35511/0#ixzz2XoHE2kuP
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