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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:44 pm:       


Saint:

what is the authenticity of the website? i can point out to several other websites which lists out more benefits than damage.


If you have an open mind the site it gives lot of information about Pros and cons for bothn you have analyze for yourself. It talks about what is good for America and not for a particular section of job markets.
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:42 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

Read the articles from that site it will give you a perspective on the issues that arise out of illegal immigration. There are different articles out there on proposals that are simple and will fix this issue.


what is the authenticity of the website? i can point out to several other websites which lists out more benefits than damage.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:32 pm:       

Read the articles from that site it will give you a perspective on the issues that arise out of illegal immigration. There are different articles out there on proposals that are simple and will fix this issue.
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:26 pm:       

ya ya IT lo unna wallaki emi kaadhu
only that IT will be effected by the economy

economy growth supporting theories anni ilanti phenoms mundu baanay vastaay
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:23 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

people think I have an agenda here for some reason. I am not even affected by this bill since I am not in the IT field. I think 95% of the people here in this DB are and if you think you will not be impacted in few years then you are wrong. Rest maku emi kadu anukunetollaki nenu cheppedi emi ledu.


nenu cheppedi edina affect aithe adi oka 10yrs taruvatha..kani ippudithe nadi naaku madisi petti ivvali ade le pacha kard..:D
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:21 pm:       


Netra:

padhela dollors fees anta


employer gadu 1st 3 months pay seks lev antademo :D
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:21 pm:       


Cyberabadsinnodu:

annai adhi approve aina def ga future lo problem ee..ikkada mana desi gallaki desi lake full competition...vutundi...no wonder ippude undi..appudu inka goram avutundi


people think I have an agenda here for some reason. I am not even affected by this bill since I am not in the IT field. I think 95% of the people here in this DB are and if you think you will not be impacted in few years then you are wrong. Rest maku emi kadu anukunetollaki nenu cheppedi emi ledu.
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:21 pm:       


Gotcha:

195k h1bs anta. h1bs meeda unavalaki shake shakeela avutundi ina madni vaste.


india podam better emo annai...:D aapice lo full politriks kuda untayi inkaa..:D
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:20 pm:       


Gotcha:

195k h1bs anta.




padhela dollors fees anta.. evadu edathaadu antha.. job confirm gaa unte thappa.. dhoola teeripoddi
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:18 pm:       

195k h1bs anta. h1bs meeda unavalaki shake shakeela avutundi ina madni vaste.
This real estate is for sale.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:17 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

not true.



many kids are legals..daani meeda kooda fox tv lo edustharu..have you heard the term "Anchor babies"
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:16 pm:       


Saint:

IT sector ki immediate ga vache threat emi ledu CIR valla..next 10-15 years lo vundochu..appatiki desi kids kooda manatho patu compete avutha vuntaru...

makku galla valla mana core area IT lo market padipoddi anukotam brama...IT lo evarini padithe vallani hire chesukoru unlike hard jobs. In fact not only IT, skill avasaram ina ekkada ina hire chesukoru edo takkuva rate ki vasthunnadu ani...




ennellu IT market stable gaa untadho telvakunda illegal makku galla pillalu mana meedha padathaaru ani ee lolli endhi.. legal aithe taxes pay chesttaru spending peruguddi.. america laanti markets depending ayyedhi spending meedha.. and this will create more jobs.. asala economy ki vachhe nasttam endho naakarddam kaavatledhu?? allani legal cheyyakunte illegal gaane untaaru and alla pillalu elaagu eeda US citizens..
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:11 pm:       


Kuyyo_morro:

Velllu chaala mandi ikkada puttinolle. So if they are going to school, graduating then the competition will be there for our future generations.

Lawn mowing, plumbing etc chese janalanu legal chesina IT sector ki difference ledu.


IT sector ki immediate ga vache threat emi ledu CIR valla..next 10-15 years lo vundochu..appatiki desi kids kooda manatho patu compete avutha vuntaru...

makku galla valla mana core area IT lo market padipoddi anukotam brama...IT lo evarini padithe vallani hire chesukoru unlike hard jobs. In fact not only IT, skill avasaram ina ekkada ina hire chesukoru edo takkuva rate ki vasthunnadu ani...
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:07 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

not true. I do agree that they are not at fault and we should have a heart. This is a humanitarian aspect and we should definitely take that in to perspective. CIR edo manaki melu chestundi ani aasa padi eduru choose vallaki dani taruvata reality enti ani matrame naa point. There is nothing you or I can do in this thing anyway, I have see this crap happening twice already since I came to this country and this will be the third time.




anni bottomline talnet vunnadu survive avuthadu..lenodu sillara jobs chesukunta bathukuthadu..I am not worried.

Point2: makku gallu illegals lo school kelli real ga compete ayyedi entha mandi vuntaru compared to desi kids? may be oka 5-10% vuntaremo...amelica vallu schools ki sakkaga pothe inka white color immigrants tho panemundi?

meeru cheppedi antha hypothetical and very far from reality.Illegal makku gallu ippudu compete avvagala jobs low wages jobs...state mandate prakaram min wage vundi..ippudu evarnana ekkuva itchina 1 or 2 dollars ekkuva istharu danikante...

vellu vachi high skilled jobs market nasanam chestharu anukotam just brama...

ur article looks like prepared by some pessimist...

I can give 100's of links which says CIR will benefit american economy in a big way.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:04 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

you are talking about kids of the illegals here in the US who have gone to schools here


Velllu chaala mandi ikkada puttinolle. So if they are going to school, graduating then the competition will be there for our future generations.

Lawn mowing, plumbing etc chese janalanu legal chesina IT sector ki difference ledu.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 12:03 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:


annai adhi approve aina def ga future lo problem ee..ikkada mana desi gallaki desi lake full competition...vutundi...no wonder ippude undi..appudu inka goram avutundi
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:59 am:       


Zulu:

most of the kids of illegals are Legal citizens..


not true. I do agree that they are not at fault and we should have a heart. This is a humanitarian aspect and we should definitely take that in to perspective. CIR edo manaki melu chestundi ani aasa padi eduru choose vallaki dani taruvata reality enti ani matrame naa point. There is nothing you or I can do in this thing anyway, I have see this crap happening twice already since I came to this country and this will be the third time.
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:55 am:       


Okahyderabadi:

you are talking about kids of the illegals here in the US who have gone to schools here. so deal with it. once they start in the workforce the jobs that you all covet go to them because unlike our people they help their own people.




most of the kids of illegals are Legal citizens..

If not, They came at a young age where they didn't make that choice, Its not their fault..Lets have a heart..screw economy.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:54 am:       

The United States of America seems to be a country with a continual illegal immigration crisis and most will agree that something must be done. However, will the proposed reform plans including the âpathway to citizenshipâ resolve the issue? President Barack Obama was voted president twice and most have supported the DREAM Act. There are immigrants who played by the rules and were issued visas but somehow there are a number of things that Americans must know before they take their stand on the immigration reform.

The number is not just 11 million. A significant number of illegal immigrants are already in the country but once they get green cards they can petition for their wives and kids to join them. Once they become U.S. citizens, they can now petition for siblings and parents. In return, the new migrants will petition for their relatives, etc. Immigration preference categories are not always immediate but in a span of 10 to 15 years the number 11 million may become 30 million when it comes to new arrivals.

People who got used to the shadows wonât come out from it. One of the main reasons why there is a path to citizenship is that it is imperative that we know who the people living here with us that might potentially do us harm. However, it is too much if we expect terrorists or criminals to submit themselves to a series of background checks done by the government.

There are jobs Americans wonât sign up for. An amnesty for illegal immigrants is often significant because they do tough, low-wage jobs that Americans and legal immigrants wonât sign up for. This concept looks flawed but will be proven false after the amnesty. Currently, these illegal immigrants are limited only to work under employers who donât ask questions and just pay in cash. However, after the amnesty they are not legible to compete for jobs in the mainstream labor market especially among less educated Americans who are already suffering from wage instability and tight labor industry.

Illegal Immigrants will enjoy affirmative action programs. As soon as immigrants coming from Africa and Latin America attain a legal status, they will be able to enjoy the affirmative action programs. A recent poll (2009 Pew Research) showed that 22% of white Americans actively encourage giving priority to make amends for discrimination. It is also highly unlikely that a large population of Americans would allow employment or college admission preferences for illegal immigrants.

Our guest worker programs set up donât work. The plan of our Senate is to get more guest workers claiming that employers can petition for them only if they can show that Americans are either âunwilling or unavailableâ to do the work themselves. The program includes our H-2A visa (numerically unlimited guest worker program intended for farm workers), H-2B visa for unskilled laborers, H-1B visa for high skilled laborers and other visa opportunities for entrepreneurs, religious workers and investors. Many employers know how to play their cards including creating false cases that Americans are not available for the work. The new program will only heighten the âin-sourcingâ trend where U.S. employers get cheaper guest workers especially for works that they cannot outsource.

Put strain on social services. Most of the illegal immigrants are poor people with no job security or health insurance. If we legalize them, we are putting strain on social services that are already strapped at the moment. An estimated 57% of immigrant households both legal and illegal use at least one welfare program in the year 2009 according to a study conducted by the Center for Immigration Studies. Some benefits are not available for illegal immigrants but if they attain legal status they will get full benefits.

There will be an increase in document and identity fraud. Many of the amnesty applicants would jump a few bureaucratic hoops just to attain green cards but those who fail to quality will leave a paper trail just to complete the requirements.

Not even half of the problem will be resolved. An estimated 50% of illegal immigrants in U.S. are visa overstays. A lot of these people will abuse tourist visa but the Senate plan will not fix this problem. The basic framework has an entry-exit system but it is not specified how to locate and remove overstays. Around 75% of tourist visa applicants in the year 2012 have been approved and the figure is 90% in Mexico. So even if the border has been tightly secured, the temporary visas are still rampantly abused and this is as long as lax visa issuance is an ongoing trend.

Beneficiaries of the amnesty will not join the back of the âline.â The Senate plan actually pertains to a âlineâ although non-existent. Migrants typically qualify to live in the country basing on family relationship or job alone. Furthermore, the plan claims that the illegal immigrants will not receive green cards unless they join the back of the line â that is if all the people who are waiting have already received their green card.

When an immigrant becomes American citizen and files a petition for a foreign sibling, the average waiting time in this case is usually 12-14 years. A serious plan will not ask amnesty beneficiaries to wait 10 years or longer just to get their green card.

The plan will justify people who break the law. There are visa applicants who jumped through all the hoops and waited patiently in their home countries before they can come to the U.S. legally. If a plan is to provide the same prize for those who flouted the law, it becomes a huge mistake. This sends a message across hundreds of millions of people around the globe aspiring to live on U.S. soil that even people who broke the law still get their green cards. People in their home countries will perceive the law-breakerâs decision to be a smart and will promote more illegal immigration.

http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org/i
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:45 am:       


Zulu:

Okahyderabadi:
if these 5-6 million people come in to the workforce and these are US educated people with college degrees like you all, where are you going to be?


What?


what o what - you are talking about kids of the illegals here in the US who have gone to schools here. so deal with it. once they start in the workforce the jobs that you all covet go to them because unlike our people they help their own people.
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:43 am:       

What?//
same old imli concept
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:42 am:       


Okahyderabadi:

if these 5-6 million people come in to the workforce and these are US educated people with college degrees like you all, where are you going to be?




What?
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:38 am:       

/// if these 5-6 million people come in to the workforce and these are US educated people

who are these 5-6 mil people ????
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:37 am:       

dream on. Legal immigrants voice is nothing before the hispanic lobby. You are thinking that this will benefit the 1-2% of desi consultants who are in the pipeline for GC's but think of the big picture, if these 5-6 million people come in to the workforce and these are US educated people with college degrees like you all, where are you going to be? you can say all about skills matter and you get a job if you have the skill etc, we know the difference in the salaries that people have had to deal with because of this. I have seen a lot of people who have been forced to agree for lot less than what they used to make. There has to be a controlled way to immigration otherwise the effect it would have on the job market and economy will be catastrophic.//

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:35 am:       


Siloan:

voorukondeshe....illelagals ...legals venakaala nunsuntaarani sepparu ga GC evvaram lo


dream on. Legal immigrants voice is nothing before the hispanic lobby. You are thinking that this will benefit the 1-2% of desi consultants who are in the pipeline for GC's but think of the big picture, if these 5-6 million people come in to the workforce and these are US educated people with college degrees like you all, where are you going to be? you can say all about skills matter and you get a job if you have the skill etc, we know the difference in the salaries that people have had to deal with because of this. I have seen a lot of people who have been forced to agree for lot less than what they used to make. There has to be a controlled way to immigration otherwise the effect it would have on the job market and economy will be catastrophic.
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:34 am:       


Zulu:

legal chesthey tax katti pani chesukuntarr..


ani manam anukuntam....oka sari alavatu padda panam kada..:D
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:34 am:       


Rowdy:

EB2 fair immigration ki pulla petti migataa ante dabbuloche bill antaa pass avuddi anipistundi ...


adhe jarigutadi annai
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:33 am:       

papam makku gallani pani chesukonivvandayya...poyindemundi..ippudu elago chesthunnaru..tax kattakunda..legal chesthey tax katti pani chesukuntarr..
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:32 am:       

okahyd cheppinattu workforce will increase and definitely unemployment too ...not talking about techno functional IT desis
we are a small %///

annai...recent ga edho 10 year plan release sesaaru...if cir passes...longrun benepits emiti for america ane daani meedha.....
manolla pisukudu purely personal....law makers...country benepit soosthaar...kada..

bottomline....legals ki melu zaragaalante...okkadu dekadu...so e tieup valla mutual benefit...kontha personal loss ni digamingukunte...
my 2 60rs worth dollars
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:28 am:       


Siloan:

.illelagals ...legals venakaala nunsuntaarani sepparu ga GC evvaram lo


annai...adhi okkatay manaki kanapaduthundheee
okahyd cheppinattu workforce will increase and definitely unemployment too ...not talking about techno functional IT desis
we are a small %
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:25 am:       

repu 2 months 2008 ki movement vacchindante pre 2007/2008 batch andaru challabadataru in terms of making calls etc..post 2008 valle konchem calls avi cheyyali..
Who is this DB member?

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:23 am:       

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:12 am:       

voorukondeshe....illelagals ...legals venakaala nunsuntaarani sepparu ga GC evvaram lo
Jai PARAKALA
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:11 am:       

this bill will hurt me so much anukuntunna ... EB2 fair immigration ki pulla petti migataa ante dabbuloche bill antaa pass avuddi anipistundi ...

$10000 I cannottt
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:08 am:       


Okahyderabadi:

Saint:
endukoo?
there is absolutely no benefit out of this for people who are here legally, it is bringing in 5-6 mill people in to the workforce who are not supposed to be here, this will depress the job market further. there are many arguments on this but this is my opinion

All the improvements of border security will not work because of the terrain. They cannot agree on simple things like how are you going to make sure employers do not hire people who are here illegally? - oh we have e-verify so it suffices - this is pure crap because e-verify is only verifying the person who you claim to be , you can still use the ssn/ name of a real person and impersonate them. There is no way to verify the person who is being e-verified is the same person who you are hiring. The provision to to this - by attaching a picture with the verification process has been cast aside because not all agencies have this information and its cost prohibitive to do it(per their argument) so it leaves the door open. Simple fixes can be made and a one time investment done - what about biographic fingerprints, this is surely a better way to identify a person, but there is no talk about such things. So in few more years we will again have millions of illegals - we have see that happen 3 times now - regan, bush, clinton and now obama. so the story continues



I want to add that I am all for legal immigration, but the politicians here as other places try to follow the same strategy of attaching other the bills so that some bills that are really useful are included and if the main bill gets voted out so do the one's that are really beneficial.
In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:05 am:       


Saint:

GC/USC vunnollu emo (kontha mandi) roju poojalu chesestha vuntaru..ee bill pass kakudadu ani....




LOL....
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:04 am:       


Saint:

endukoo?


there is absolutely no benefit out of this for people who are here legally, it is bringing in 5-6 mill people in to the workforce who are not supposed to be here, this will depress the job market further. there are many arguments on this but this is my opinion

All the improvements of border security will not work because of the terrain. They cannot agree on simple things like how are you going to make sure employers do not hire people who are here illegally? - oh we have e-verify so it suffices - this is pure crap because e-verify is only verifying the person who you claim to be , you can still use the ssn/ name of a real person and impersonate them. There is no way to verify the person who is being e-verified is the same person who you are hiring. The provision to to this - by attaching a picture with the verification process has been cast aside because not all agencies have this information and its cost prohibitive to do it(per their argument) so it leaves the door open. Simple fixes can be made and a one time investment done - what about biographic fingerprints, this is surely a better way to identify a person, but there is no talk about such things. So in few more years we will again have millions of illegals - we have see that happen 3 times now - regan, bush, clinton and now obama. so the story continues
In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 11:00 am:       

biggest mistake america is doing//

anna garu e okka saariki...saari tatmaka tappidaanni angeekariddam....yenni solleldu
Jai PARAKALA
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 10:59 am:       

Hopes vundatam emundi? effort pedatharu..vasthe vasthadi..rakapothe raadu...

last year HR3012 ki suffort chesam...house lo sachindi....ala ani disappint ayyi inka promote cheyyakunda apesthama?

makku gallu chala nayam...valla illegals kosam chala effort peduthunnaru...manollu gurunchi cheppukotavam kooda waste...

GC lenodu intlo padukuni nidra potha vuntadu..okka effort pettadu...but GC matram beegi vacheyali ani korukunta vuntam.....

GC/USC vunnollu emo (kontha mandi) roju poojalu chesestha vuntaru..ee bill pass kakudadu ani....
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 10:52 am:       


Okahyderabadi:

biggest mistake america is doing




endukoo?
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 10:51 am:       


Saint:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/27/senate-on-verge-h istoric-immigration-vote/


biggest mistake america is doing
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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 10:47 am:       

annai ittane 2007 lo kuda pass ayyindi... antha ayyipoindi anukunnaru.......

eee vedi nippula meeda challa neellu postha.....

immigration bill is not going to happen........ dont build hopes on this......
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2013 - 10:41 am:       

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/27/senate-on-verge-h istoric-immigration-vote/

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