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Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 462 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67 Rating: N/A |
what's ur current stand on God, religion and nature Vs nurture? any changes in priors being a Bayesian  ? | ||
Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 461 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67 Rating: N/A |
how? how can anything be explained in a non-reductionist way?
I think this not a case for non-reductionism. | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13762 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Got it ...to selectively purge/archive/retrieve or do it randomly- when the data drives decisions - what is the impact of purging ? did not think of that as I was not thinking of memory capacity limitations The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10786 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
it is regarded as a flaw in general, but not enough proof to qualitatively say it is not needed in a cognitive and conscious system. with the amount of computation, and memory needed to infinitely process information and store, the systems can reach its limits cataloging mundane events, actions, responses to better prioritize its perceptions and learned behavior. the ability to consciously forget was considered a solution to the computational needs(including thermal stability in current technology), if not dealing with unconscious activities. past is as much a debated topic among AI people as is among philosophers  the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13760 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Also attended an interesting lecture on leaps and challenges in visual recognition
Forgetting is a flaw - which may be beneficial to humans - but why would you want to replicate in AI ? Is there a driving reason to be able to simulate forgetting ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10785 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
sorry bro, im not active in linkedin right now, there was an idea as to get into linkedin world with a plan, but never could put into works. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10784 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
as a AI and graphics student, i spent quite a bit of time working on such projects. ofcourse, my work was sort of precursor to what we are seeing today. basic artificial consciousness required atleast four kinds of roles to be fulfilled by the system. awareness learning subjective perception anticipation awareness role was supposed to be the biggest hurdle to create a machine, that can simulate a living brain, whether human or not. at that time it was not clear or not enough progress in study was made. few things like, a past action or incident, or something like searching for a lost object , are complicated to logically layout. the whole idea of forgetting something gets really difficult to understand in computational world, without involving biological processes, atleast when i was working on these projects. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9756 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.194.159.57 Rating: N/A |
Mental, As a scientist, I believe that many of today's puzzling questions today can be answered quickly if we pursue science in non-reductionist way. For example, human body and mind is operated by processes pertaining to various branches of science including physics, chemistry, psychology etc. But today's scientific method approaches diseases from one particular branch POV. Even funding for these projects is determined that way. I dont think thats the most productive way to pursue science. More emphasis should be given to collaborations among various faculties. This actually has been proved time and again, but people are some how ignoring the facts. Btw, linkedin invitation and inmail pampi 3 months avuthundi no reply from you? what gives?http://bit.ly/YmdV0q | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13759 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Sorry - given the context of discussion, I was attributing it to the unintelligent autocorrect software - not to you mistyping it The program my son's joining is named after Turing - and I was talking to some of the current students who program their robot soccer team - they were talking about how self-aware computers are a question of when not if The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10782 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
Howdy !! inkonchem expand cheyyi bro .. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10781 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
maree ala type chesaaan enti too many typos the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9755 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.194.159.57 Rating: N/A |
Philosophical reductionism is pointless, but scientific reductionism is highly unproductive. http://bit.ly/YmdV0q | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13758 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Meeru church ni tippakandi - it is Turing 
I read that more as Massimo's defensive disclaimer than an accusation - but that debate went around in circles of sugar and paper too long The interview transcript in the initial post was an excellent read indeed The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10778 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
learnt some thing new today. church turning thesis - interesting way to define computational abilities http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church%E2%80%93Turing_thesis the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 460 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67 Rating: N/A |
the discussion on duality. Massimo Pigliucci seems to have accused Eliezer of dualist. | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 11648 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 12.239.81.75 Rating: N/A |
probability theories are the most hyped theories in physics........in maths they make somelogical sense.......when you don't clearly know what's going on you hide under probability in physics | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13757 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Not this time The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 459 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67 Rating: N/A |
I am good. thanks. I am still in blore. we can meet if possible to you. btw, it's very interesting read | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10775 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
what are these? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Filmbuff Comedian Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 1832 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 223.227.56.236 Rating: N/A |
Are you coming to Delhi too btw? | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13756 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Read halfway and its a fabulous read - actually attended a lecture on the theory of probability and Bayes theorem recently Will finish reading in my next break How r u ? Will be in Blore in July - you still there ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 10773 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
intersting points unnaayi. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 458 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67 Rating: N/A |
another talk with Massimo Pigliucci, it's unpalatable to me at some places though . https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S-7CWOLOtLRDmMiS7LtVxELs sUi3OI1-UcrPAzGMuH4/pub | ||
Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 457 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.0.67 Rating: N/A |
interview with singularity/lesswrong, AI researcher and human rationality champion eliezer yudkowsky. http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=12147 LUKE: Elan Vital is an example of a mysterious answer to a mysterious question. What are some other ones that are more recent and more common today? ELIEZER: Well the third sign of a mysterious answer is that the people who offer the mysterious answer are sort of proud of their ignorance. They speak very proudly of how the phenomenon defeats ordinary science or is unlike merely mundane phenomena. They put their ignorance into a separate magisterium and make it holy. That’s why even after the mysterious answer is given, the phenomenon is still a mystery and still possesses the same quality of wonderful inexplicability that it had at the start. LUKE: Well and a very common one of course is God as a mysterious answer to a mysterious question, depending on how it’s put forward. ELIEZER: That one’s almost too easy even. I actually do think that the God hypothesis is meaningful and false. I mean if you tell it to a kid, they have a pretty good idea of what you mean by God. They’re able to make experimental predictions about what God would be expected to do and those predictions don’t come true. Now adults have elaborate excuses to guard the hypothesis from falsification, but children know perfectly well what it means and the hypothesis is meaningful and wrong. about reductionism: LUKE: The person who doesn’t believe that, maybe a dualist or something like that, would say, “Well, Eliezer, how do you know that it’s quarks all the way down? How do you know that?” ELIEZER: It’s a simple hypothesis, extensively supported by the evidence. And, first, there’s a question as to whether “non-reductionist” hypotheses are even properly meaningful. Like, what would it mean to live in a universe where the fact that the 747 had wings was a separate fact apart from its core. What would that universe look like that would make non-reductionism true? Is non-reductionism a coherent theory or is it just a sort of logical confusion? And the other aspect is, well, we went out and looked at the universe, and we found that it was a single, low level physical process, as best as anyone could ever see by anything that actually showed up in replicated experiments. And there were a lot of people trying to say things that didn’t fit with this picture, because, to a human, the idea of a rule with literally no exceptions, it doesn’t sound right. Like, you might have a rule about dividing up the meat fairly that you took in the hunt. But, if you put a gun to everyone’s head and said, “This one time don’t divide up the meat fairly, or we’ll shoot everyone in the tribe.” They would make an exception to the rules just that once. So, the idea of a universe with universal exceptionless laws, is something that belongs to the language of math, more than the language that humans would tend to naturally speak in. People are always inventing exceptions to the laws. And science is always shooting down those proposed exceptions. And the fact that this happens over and over again, at some point you sort of, pick up the hint. You realize what it is that the universe is trying to tell you here, anthropomorphically speaking. |