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Maha
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Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 02:47 pm:       

Thanks
 

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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 04:45 pm:       


Maha:


welcome maha.
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Maha
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 04:44 pm:       

test
 

Quantummorphed
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 12:34 am:       

Ok.......I will send it you.....give me ur mail ID....but may be 2morrow..its 12 here....

infact....if u have ever read Martin Gardner or

100 elementay problems of mathematics by Steinhaus.....they have this problem..

these class of problems are called pursuit problems......
 

Swayamkrushi
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 12:12 am:       

babai..i want to know how u proved..can you pls explain me with diagram...ikkada kudarakapote ...send me a doc with little explanation ...
 

Quantummorphed
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 12:06 am:       

coz speed is 1....nuvve ichavu

"unit speed"...infact anything above 0.....will yield the same result..........that is exactly y its fractal...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Swayamkrushi
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Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 12:04 am:       

first of all...dt time unite ni...length 1 lonunchi ela teestavu?
 

Quantummorphed
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 11:48 pm:       

I am super sure of it.........this is one of the proofs for constructing a log spiral with eccentricity 45 deg.....

and the length in the limit n->inf that they each travel is l1.....

I can bet anything on this........:-)
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 11:45 pm:       


Swayamkrushi:

Qantum babai..1 unit time is correct anukunta....okasari check chesuko...or inko sari nee logic cheppu




say u start with a square of unit size...say an infinitesimal time dt elapses...now what you have is a shrinked square of side 1-dt and the sides rotated by 45 deg. Now what is this new squares side:

assuming the first side is L1....it is Sqrt((L1-dt)^2+dt^2) with L1 =1......

i.e Sqrt(l1^2 + 2*dt^2 - 2*dt*l1)

using dt->0 .......the above is Sqrt(l1^2- 2*dt*l1)....

using the binomial identity (1+x)^(1/2) is (1+ (x/2)) iff mod(x) < 1

The above is l1*(1-dt)....

Now recurse : l1 = 1
l2 = l1*( 1-dt)
l3 = l2*(1-dt)



ln = ln-1 *(1-dt)

i.e ln = l1 *(1-dt)^n

since l1 = 1

ln = (1-dt)^n....

for all dt !=0...this is a strictly decreasing function....and approaches 0 in lmit n->infinity

So the side length goes to zero only after infinite iterations...............
 

Swayamkrushi
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 11:26 pm:       

Qantum babai..1 unit time is correct anukunta....okasari check chesuko...or inko sari nee logic cheppu
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 11:24 pm:       

8 new IIT in India. comments plzzz
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Quantummorphed
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 11:22 pm:       


Swayamkrushi:

At any moment of time dogs will be at the corner of another
square with smaller size and same center, size of square
will decrease with time and finally they will meet at
center.
At any moment of time their speed toward center will be
1*cos(45) = 1/&#8730;2, and radial distance is &#8730;2, so they will
meet after &#8730;2/ (1/&#8730;2) = 1 unit time and will travel unit
distance.




This proof is wrong........it states they meet after 1 unit time............
 

Swayamkrushi
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 09:30 pm:       

ya ..i did just like just4fun babai cheppinattu,,

Quant babai..oka sari inter lo IIT coaching class lu gurthu chesav...

I have one more puzzle for you guys..I will post very soon...
 

Hp1
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:10 pm:       

centre lo kalusthayani na uddhesham adhyaksha
 

Quantummorphed
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:10 pm:       

This was the question that they asked me when I interviewed at Goldman Sachs...
 

Quantummorphed
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:08 pm:       

easiest way is to recursively shrink ur square by dt and rotate it by 45deg...and keep ding it....u will see that corners of the shrunk squares will follow a

Logarthmic spiral into the center of the center of the square....one needs to work out a geometric progression which eventually converge to 1 as n->inf...

My recursive proof below is very stght fwd intuitively
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:06 pm:       


Mclovin:

vaallu unde very small square lo..




abbba chaa....
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:05 pm:       

At any moment of time dogs will be at the corner of another
square with smaller size and same center, size of square
will decrease with time and finally they will meet at
center.
At any moment of time their speed toward center will be
1*cos(45) = 1/&#8730;2, and radial distance is &#8730;2, so they will
meet after &#8730;2/ (1/&#8730;2) = 1 unit time and will travel unit
distance.
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:04 pm:       

Asalu nenu kochhen wrong sadvinaa.. 4 corners lo oka dog, oka ant, two people unru ankunnaa.. lekunte eppudo cheppetonni.. apatki center la kalustaru ani cheppina...

KKD: vaallu unde very small square lo.. lagethhi alasiponeeki neelaagaa 3miles lagettaru..
In this db, there's always someone watching you!!
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:04 pm:       


Kkd:

lagethi lagethi evado okadu alisi aagipothadu thammudu...appudu andharu akkade meet avuthaaru....



babai....nuvvu ee company lo project manager
em ledhu valla stocks kaana naa dhaggara untey ventaney ammesukunta
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:02 pm:       


Swayamkrushi:

At the same instant all of them start running with unit speed towards the person on their clockwise direction and will always run towards that target. How long does it take for them to meet and where?




lagethi lagethi evado okadu alisi aagipothadu thammudu...appudu andharu akkade meet avuthaaru....
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:01 pm:       


Quantummorphed:



okkasari GOOD WILL HUNTING lo Matt damon ni choopichav babai...good one
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:00 pm:       

Center lo meet avuthaayi...
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:00 pm:       

nenu ippude thinking start chesa :-)
 

Quantummorphed
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 08:00 pm:       

"they run infinite steps.......but cover a finite distance"......this is the beauty of fractal calculus..........One needs to have a sound understanding of measure theory to appreciate this stuff.........

In fact this is a koch fractal of type 1 ...if I am not wrong
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 07:58 pm:       

They will eventually meet at the geometric centre of the square after infinite (large number) of steps after they a follow a logarthmic spiral....there is a 4 way symmetry to this problem....

Use recursion to understand this and some infinitesimal calculus....assume that after the first run in an infinitesimal run...the square is now smaller with side length ~~ 1-dt where dt is the contraction in infinitesimal time dt(speed is 1)...recursively after "n" steps.....your squares length is (1-dt)^n.

The number inside is between 0 and and will reach close to 0 as n->infinity..

They will def meet.......

This is a "pursuit problem".........similar types exist for a triangle...any one who might have studied JEE physics will identify this immediately....

It is also called the fractal Zena's paradox.....

The path they follow is a 45deg log spiral and on an avg all the dogs travel 1 mt..
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 07:21 pm:       


Swayamkrushi:

There are four dogs/ants/people at four corners of a square of unit distance. At the same instant all of them start running with unit speed towards the person on their clockwise direction and will always run towards that target. How long does it take for them to meet and where?




square antey all side equal kabattiu and they are running with unit spped kabatti asalau kalavaru kadha...........
 

Spy_india
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 07:20 pm:       


Swayamkrushi:

unit speed towards the person on their clockwise direction




anni same speed lo oek direction lo potunte okatini okati ekkada meet avutaay ??
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 07:16 pm:       

center lo kalustaaraa?
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Swayamkrushi
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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 07:13 pm:       

I don't know but ninna naa friend okadu mail chesadu...
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 07:08 pm:       

msft questions aa
ahaa ! vaalla interview lo ilaane adugutaaru questions
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 07:03 pm:       

There are four dogs/ants/people at four corners of a square of unit distance. At the same instant all of them start running with unit speed towards the person on their clockwise direction and will always run towards that target. How long does it take for them to meet and where?

babai lu ...meeku evarikina telisthe cheppandi...try before googling ..it will be fun solving (atleast to me)...naaku kaasepu juttu peekkunte vhachindi....

answer kanipedithe ..please explain...

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