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Anand_n
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Chillarodu:
Vinna pere.. Idhi Kooda edho pusthakam lo chadhivivunta
LOL - I think I know where you are coming from ...
Anduke Neil deGrasse Tyson said : "Learn How to think, not What to think"
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Rajusk
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Whyme:last few years ga elinati shani ante ento telisindi.... vachey yedadi tho ellipothundi appatidaaka football anukonta (ippudippudu koncham tagguthondi)..
That's it...
Astrology tells about the probability of an event happening..
so at least mentally you are prepared..and less frustrated...
so it is a difference between ..knowing what is coming Vs not knowing what is hitting us...that is where Astrology helps.. |
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evaranna time vunnapudu naa jathakam choosthara? |
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Whyme
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Chillarodu:Vinna pere.. Idhi Kooda edho pusthakam lo chadhivivunta
youtube lo videos vunnayi.. UG jiddu ni debunk chesthu vuntaadu |
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Chillarodu
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Anand_n:Reminded me of UG Krishnamoorthy's theory of a thoughtsphere Look it up -you might find it interesting
Vinna pere.. Idhi Kooda edho pusthakam lo chadhivivunta |
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Mental_sachinodu:
as expression ki ardham eti mental? |
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Whyme
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mundu pedda ga nammaledu...
last few years ga elinati shani ante ento telisindi.... vachey yedadi tho ellipothundi appatidaaka football anukonta (ippudippudu koncham tagguthondi)..
interesting (at times painful/frustrating) time |
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Chillarodu:So, none of these are my thougths.. I am just filling my mind with others thoughts..
So, Do I even have original thoughts? What ever I believe so far.. is being put by others..
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
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Anand_n
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Chillarodu:So, none of these are my thougths.. I am just filling my mind with others thoughts..
So, Do I even have original thoughts? What ever I believe so far.. is being put by others..
Do you ever feel this way?
Reminded me of UG Krishnamoorthy's theory of a thoughtsphere Look it up -you might find it interesting
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Rajusk
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Chillarodu:
I. seriously did not keep track of the predictions I made...
every astrologer goes thru a period of many correct predictions and some periods of all predictions going wrong.. |
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Chillarodu
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I started reading Advaita (from Tilak's link)....
after few pages.. I am thinking this..
my mind is filling with this information.. some of it is new and some of it is someting I have already read somwhere..
konni.. my previuos ideas/thoughts are being replaced by these new ones..
So, none of these are my thougths.. I am just filling my mind with others thoughts..
So, Do I even have original thoughts? What ever I believe so far.. is being put by others..
Do you ever feel this way? |
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Rajusk
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Anand_n:
also anni factors against gaa unte..I use abhijit muhurtha..which is midday to perform an act |
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Rajusk
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Anand_n:
vere vallaki predictions are purely based on astrology
for example..if someone wants me to join a job on Tuesday (which happened twice), I use commonsense there...because I don't have the power to shift a Start day....whenever I had the power..I exercised. it |
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Anand_n
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Rajusk:purely astrological basis meeda nenu decisions konni teesukonna..
That's all I wanted to know - how much weightage would you give to a prediction Vs common sense...
predictions true ayyaya leda anedi subjective- cos you never know how things would have turned out otherwise
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Chillarodu
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Rajusk:otoh, oka friend ki marriage ki against gaa advice chesanu with a particular girl..because kids vishayamlo kashtalu kanapaddayi..valla iddari charts lo(this I learnt from another friend's chart and reading)
guess what..my friend went ahead with the marriage..
in the last 2 years..they had two kids ..surrogate/adoption..
idi naa prediction goppathanam kaadu..that is what the chart says..
hmm.. interesting.
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Rajusk
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Anand_n:
meeru poddune adigina question ki answer..
purely astrological basis meeda nenu decisions konni teesukonna..but I am not sure what would have been the consequences otherwise..
otoh, oka friend ki marriage ki against gaa advice chesanu with a particular girl..because kids vishayamlo kashtalu kanapaddayi..valla iddari charts lo(this I learnt from another friend's chart and reading)
guess what..my friend went ahead with the marriage..
in the last 2 years..they had two kids ..surrogate/adoption..
idi naa prediction goppathanam kaadu..that is what the chart says..
nenu konni interview dates..naaku favorable stars unna roju pick chestanu |
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Scorpio:
deeniki nuvvu sarigga answer cheyyaledu....first of all, why do people do bad things? Why there are bad people out there? is it because of bad karma?
naa daggira logic ye gani..imagination ki answer ledhu kadhaa...Karma lantivi nen nammanu... bud bad thinking cheste, enakki tirigochi ekkado mana thought process ye thanthundhi ani nammuthaanu...
inka good or bad anevi kavala pillal lantivi...its a highly complex idea to dig for the root cause of bad in our brain... antha sakthi naaku ledhu... oka manishi bad ga marataniki ivvi matrame specific reasons ani cheppaleni complex topic adhi... |
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Jackson:annitiki time ravaali..time vochinappudu devudu okalni enchukoni manchi chestaadu..
but chedu evaru cheyyistunaaru..manchi vunnappudu chedu kuda vuntundi..
so anduke devudu anakunda..good external forces and bad external forces antunna..
enti aa time? why didn't the good external forces helped in case of connecticut kids masacre or delhi's rape case? time raaledha? Leka bad external forces win over good external forces aa? |
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Jackson
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Chillarodu:So.. are you saying GOD intentionally allowing the bad things to happen so we know the importance of dhivatvam?
No..
annitiki time ravaali..time vochinappudu devudu okalni enchukoni manchi chestaadu..
but chedu evaru cheyyistunaaru..manchi vunnappudu chedu kuda vuntundi..
so anduke devudu anakunda..good external forces and bad external forces antunna..
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Jackson:idhi right..
idhi right ayithe.. deeniki samadhaanam cheppandi..
So.. are you saying GOD intentionally allowing the bad things to happen so we know the importance of dhivatvam? |
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Chillarodu:Mac.. ayithe nee school and MAV school are different..
Mav .. GOD medium laaga use chesukoni manchi speisthaadu antunaadu..
idhi right..
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Chillarodu:So.. are you saying GOD intentionally allowing the bad things to happen so we know the importance of dhivatvam?
Good question...
Coolmac,
deeniki nuvvu sarigga answer cheyyaledu....first of all, why do people do bad things? Why there are bad people out there? is it because of bad karma?
తెలుగుదేశం పిలుస్తోంది, రా...కదలి రా.. |
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Coolmac:malli God antaav enti namassivaya...there is no one out there to teach you... good deed is God..thats it..
Mac.. ayithe nee school and MAV school are different..
Mav .. GOD medium laaga use chesukoni manchi speisthaadu antunaadu..
So.. nuvvu cheppedhi.. manchi panulaki.. Dhaivatvam ani peru pettav..
in other words.. andhari lo.. manushullo and janthuvullo manchi vundhi..
andhuke manam andharni.. poojinchaali.. adhe Hindhuism antunnav.. |
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Coolmac:malli God antaav enti namassivaya...
philosophies kalipeste vache confusion - Advaita, Dwaita, Vishishta Adwaita have different views
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Chillarodu:So.. are you saying GOD intentionally allowing the bad things to happen so we know the importance of dhivatvam?
malli God antaav enti namassivaya...there is no one out there to teach you... good deed is God..thats it.. |
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Maverick:andarilo anni vellala devudu unte world would have been a much better place.
I will give you a question to mull over ...
Better for whom, by what standards ? Think that thru...
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Coolmac:neeku ee morning pagalu ani elaa telsindhi? rathri vundatam valane kadhaa...lekapothe pagalu ane mataki viluva emundhi... alage.... chedu lekapothe daivathvam avasaram ledhu... coz, every one will be god then
So.. are you saying GOD intentionally allowing the bad things to happen so we know the importance of dhivatvam? |
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Feldgrau:summer lo thirigi thirigi baaga daaham tho unte evarina konchem water share chesina chalu...vallalo daivathvam kanipisthundi
ICU lo family member ni treat chesthunna doctor, treatment kosam appatikappudu financial ga help chesina friend aa moment lo devudi la kanipistharu..like mav said aa moment lo aa person medium anthe...
True... saati jeevi lo devunni choodandi...migatha jeevulni meelo choodanivvandi... alaa ani manam maroka jeevi meedha aharam kosam adharapakudadhu ani kaadhu...adhi srusti dharmam...vetagadu kuda champina jeevi ki pooja chesey thintaadu... |
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Chillarodu:Do you really believe that external force selectively tries to favor someone?
Yes
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Maverick:if someone is helped by paritala, he is the medium used by god to help that person.he doesn't stay in the medium forever.
So.. it's GOD if he did good thing..
and what is it that make him do bad things..
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Simba:Meeru Reiki gurinchi chadivara? Very interesting topic.
I got to go. Will share my experience on this later.
HAve a wonderful time celebrating
HAve a sketchy idea of Reiki..some years ago one of mom's chance acquaintances was keen to teach me - don't know what their criteria is but she thought I would pick it up easily - naku time leka missed the opportunity..Recently in an offchance spiritual discussion a friend started talking about Reiki - so I would definitely like to hear your story
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Chillarodu:So at the same time.. okarilo positive and negative energies based on observer vuntaya?
meeru oka paritala example deggare struck ayyaru...adi more like fanism
summer lo thirigi thirigi baaga daaham tho unte evarina konchem water share chesina chalu...vallalo daivathvam kanipisthundi
ICU lo family member ni treat chesthunna doctor, treatment kosam appatikappudu financial ga help chesina friend aa moment lo devudi la kanipistharu..like mav said aa moment lo aa person medium anthe... |
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Chillarodu:anni velala devudu endhukani vundadu?
neeku ee morning pagalu ani elaa telsindhi? rathri vundatam valane kadhaa...lekapothe pagalu ane mataki viluva emundhi... alage.... chedu lekapothe daivathvam avasaram ledhu... coz, every one will be god then |
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Chillarodu:same instant lo daani valana nashtapoyina vaadiki..
there is no perspective basis for positive energy..its absolute from any angle... oka person ki negative ga..maroka person ki positive ga kanipinchatam anedhi vundadhu... athma sakshi ga, nispaksha patham ga chooste andarikee adhi oke vidham ga kanapaduthundhi... nasta poyina vadiki antunnav..vaadu nastapoyaadu kabatti adhi daivathvam kaadhu antunnadaa anedhi nuvvu gamaninchaali... nen nastapoyaanu kabatti adhi daivathvam kaadhu anukovatam selfish avudhi gani, absolute fact elaa avuthundhi? |
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Maverick:andarilo anni vellala devudu unte world would have been a much better place.
anni velala devudu endhukani vundadu? |
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Chillarodu:So at the same time.. okarilo positive and negative energies based on observer vuntaya?
Gandhi - father of the nation
britishers ki??
Ramudu - devudu
Lanka lo vaalaki??
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Maverick:chillarodu,
if someone is helped by paritala, he is the medium used by god to help that person.he doesn't stay in the medium forever.
thats right..
external forces (good aina bad aina) kontha mandini use chesukoni system ni baagu cheyyatamo/nasanam cheyyatamo chestundi..aa external forces ne devullu anaalo lekapothe alaane forces anukovaalo mana vignatha..
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Coolmac:kaadhu... falitham anubhavinche vaadini batti vuntundhi... Paritala valana nijam ga vupakaram pondhina vaadiki... apada lo vunna vadiki aayana devudu aa instance lo...
anduke septhunna..forget about Devudu...think about Daivathvam... Devudu anedhi form to form change avuthunnattu... kani daivathvam anedhi bhouthikamainadhi kaadhu...oka positive energy...that can enter into u at some times...and in me too... adhe permanent...not the body it occupies..
nuvvu cheppe dhaani batti.. it's relative based on who is the observer..
Paritala.. okadiki sahaayam cheyyatam.. valla vaadiki dhivatvam(positive energy) kanabadithe.. same instant lo daani valana nashtapoyina vaadiki.. Paritala opposite gaa kanabadathaadu..
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Tilak:maa thatha generation or antaku mundu .. papa bheethi unna .. daani kante ekkuva bhakti undedi anipistundi naaku .. eppudaithe LKG to PG chaduvulu modalayyayo .. we started shunting the growth of humans in a natural way ..
Naa chinnappudu maa voorlo sankranthi ki Jangam vastaadu intiki... vaallu motham mana poorveekulanu gurthu cheskuntu paaduthaadu...maa amma, inka pedda vaallu mana poorveekula perlu chepthaaru.. oka vaipu panta vachina anandham...maro vaipu ee panta pandina nela ni andinchina, janma ninchina ancestors ni gurthu cheskoni gouravinchatam... intha kanna evarandi devudu manaki? asalu aa fabrication of rituals chesina mana Hindu mathaniki padaabhi vandanam .... |
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chillarodu,
if someone is helped by paritala, he is the medium used by god to help that person.he doesn't stay in the medium forever.
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Tilak: eppudaithe LKG to PG chaduvulu modalayyayo .. we started shunting the growth of humans in a natural way ..
yes gorrelu blind ga gorrela keeper ni follow aithe system vuntundhi..
anthe kanna oka goat ki veedu ee roju oo nannu ammestaadu or use chesukuntunaadu ani prathi goat tala dikku vellipothe it's Chaos..no system..
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>>andharilo/annitlo daivatvam/GOD vuntundhi (add some times according to you) antunnava leka kanabaduthundhi antunnava ..
at times kanapadutundi..correct ga cehppalante, what ever is the divine force, that weill enter a physical being and helo you..
andarilo anni vellala devudu unte world would have been a much better place.
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Coolmac:kani janal papa bheethi tho mokkuthunnar kani... bhakthi tho mokkatledhu ekkuva mandhi...
bad education does that to people ..
maa thatha generation or antaku mundu .. papa bheethi unna .. daani kante ekkuva bhakti undedi anipistundi naaku .. eppudaithe LKG to PG chaduvulu modalayyayo .. we started shunting the growth of humans in a natural way ..
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Tilak:http://www.advaitaashrama.org/cw/content.php
akkada start cheyyi bhayya .. ala flow lo .... enjoy ..
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Maverick:okadu mood unnapudu okadni batikinchi...mood bagalenappudu inkodni champesi..level aipoindi antadu..aipoindi
seriously.. andharilo and annitlo dhaivatvam concept naaku ardham avvaledu.. andhukani aduguthunaa..
oke let me try again..
andharilo/annitlo daivatvam/GOD vuntundhi (add some times according to you) antunnava leka kanabaduthundhi antunnava .. |
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Chillarodu:take Paritala example.. if some sees god in him .. what do you say about that?
adhe kaadha mac chebutundi..
laden ni devudu ga kondharu chustaaru
paritala ni kontha mandi chustaaru
tendulkar ni kontha mandi chustaaru
sathya sai babu ni kontha mandi chustaaru
NTR, YSR, Pavan Kalyan etc.. lo kontha mandi chustaaru
hanumanthudini kontha mandi chustaaru
monna delhi lo rape chesina vaalu kontha mandi rapists ki devullu..
devudu ga koliche vaalu bhakthulu..aa process ne bhathulu daivathvam antaaru
ide coolmac cheppindi..
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Chillarodu:shows up at times.. ante, choose vaadini batti... vuntundhaa..
take Paritala example.. if some sees god in him .. what do you say about that?
kaadhu... falitham anubhavinche vaadini batti vuntundhi... Paritala valana nijam ga vupakaram pondhina vaadiki... apada lo vunna vadiki aayana devudu aa instance lo...
anduke septhunna..forget about Devudu...think about Daivathvam... Devudu anedhi form to form change avuthunnattu... kani daivathvam anedhi bhouthikamainadhi kaadhu...oka positive energy...that can enter into u at some times...and in me too... adhe permanent...not the body it occupies.. |
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Chillarodu:online lo ekkada dhorukuthundhi?
http://www.advaitaashrama.org/cw/content.php
akkada start cheyyi bhayya .. ala flow lo .... enjoy ..
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>>kani janal papa bheethi tho mokkuthunnar kani... bhakthi tho mokkatledhu ekkuva mandhi...
yeah, don't fear god..love god..
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Maverick:the reason behind having temples/idols(a form to daivathvam/positive energy) is to create a sort of discipline among people..help them concentrate and lead them in proper direction.
if there is no proper controlling people's attitude in form of temple/god, there will be chaos..
idhi nijam anukuntunna... kani people ee concept ni blind ga teeskontunnar majority... edho korikalu korukovataniki... aa idols ki poojiste chaalu papam pothundhi anukuntunnaru... kani aa idol pettadam...manam daaniki sirassu vanchi namaskaram cheyyatam lo vuddesam...mana AHAM ni(Nenu goppa, naa valane ivanni sadhyam ayyayi ane feeling) ni vadhilinchatame anukuntunna... kani janal papa bheethi tho mokkuthunnar kani... bhakthi tho mokkatledhu ekkuva mandhi... |
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>>take Paritala example.. if some sees god in him .. what do you say about that?
>>okadu mood unnapudu okadni batikinchi...mood bagalenappudu inkodni champesi..level aipoindi antadu..aipoindi
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Maverick:the reason behind having temples/idols(a form to daivathvam/positive energy) is to create a sort of discipline among people..help them concentrate and lead them in proper direction.
if there is no proper controlling people's attitude in form of temple/god, there will be chaos..
okadu mood unnapudu okadni batikinchi...mood bagalenappudu inkodni champesi..level aipoindi antadu..aipoindi
exactly I agree..
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Tilak:Advaitam parichayam ayyindi
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Coolmac:manifest ante permanent ga undi potaru ani kaadu..shows up at times
shows up at times.. ante, choose vaadini batti... vuntundhaa..
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>>ekkado kanapadani devudu inkaa vunnaadu ante naaku doubt ye... daivathvam is there...oka shakthi(positive energy) vundhi...adhi ithe sure...
the reason behind having temples/idols(a form to daivathvam/positive energy) is to create a sort of discipline among people..help them concentrate and lead them in proper direction.
if there is no proper controlling people's attitude in form of temple/god, there will be chaos..
okadu mood unnapudu okadni batikinchi...mood bagalenappudu inkodni champesi..level aipoindi antadu..aipoindi
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Maverick:manifest ante permanent ga undi potaru ani kaadu..shows up at times..
Yes...adhe positive energy...oka manchi alochana manasulo kaligindhi ante...adhi daivathvam ye... aa kaligina manchi alochana evariko okariki help avuthundhi oka roju na... daani valana labdhi pondina vaallaki aayana devudu avuthaadu appudu... |
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Coolmac:Vedam chadavaledhu annai...
Vedam nenu kuda chadavaledu ..
but Advaitam parichayam ayyindi .. Swami Vivekananda punyama ani .. pretty simple and truthful concept ..
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Tilak:explore a little bit of Advaitha .. 'Devudu ledu' ane apoha kuda teeripotundi ..
and anyways .. mana andari lo unna "chetana" ki "prerana" kondariki Daivam .. kondari just jeevam! ye peru aina abhyantaram ledu ..
Vedam chadavaledhu annai... I wish I could.. jeevithaniki saswata samadhanam dorikesedhi emo avi chadivithe...
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>>baalayya baabu lo koodana? ayithe.. endhuku kindal chestaavu
manifest ante permanent ga undi potaru ani kaadu..shows up at times..bala manchi pani cheste nenu eppudu kindal cheyyaledu
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Maverick:deuvudu unnadu..he manifests himself in all those forms u descrived..adi hinduism essence
aa devudine nenu daivathvam annaanu...there is no single person called devudu who manifests in all those forms... real ga mana eduru nilabadina vupayoga pade jeevi ni premistunnam ..poojistunnam... ekkado kanapadani devudu inkaa vunnaadu ante naaku doubt ye... daivathvam is there...oka shakthi(positive energy) vundhi...adhi ithe sure... |
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Maverick:he manifests himself in all those forms u descrived
baalayya baabu lo koodana? ayithe.. endhuku kindal chestaavu |
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Pulibongaram:nenu king eppudavuthaanu?
rambhamma dorikinda? dorakagane king avuthavu... |
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Bunty717:
ee db lo age ki gauge ki link lekundaa undee kurrol chaala mandi unnaru anukuntaa..
Basic ga Hinduism lo devudi concept ye veru annai...we dont just believe just one person is god... daivathvam ardham ga religion vundhi kabatte...inni vela samvathsaralu nilabada galigindhi...mana vaadam lo athivadam(extremism) ledhu... conversion ledhu... evariki nachina vaallani vaallu poojinchukone soukaryam vundhi...nuvvu ramunni ithe...nenu krishnunni poojista...Driver ramudu NTR ni poojinchukuntaadu... |
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Coolmac:
manam prati daanni poojistaam... chettu ni , putta ni, suryudu ni, bhoomi ni, agni, vayuvu... nela... pustakam, aavu, kukka(Bharavudu), dunnapothu(Yama vahanam), elaka,....grahalu, viswam, ramudu, krishundu, daiva swaroopulu ga kondaru manushulni....what not... seasonal festivals lo krimi keetakalani kuda edho oka vidham ga poojistaam... WHY WHY WHY? deeenni batti em ardham ayyindhi neeku?
manava jeevithaniki upayoga padina vaatini, apada lo aadukunna manishi ni, intiki vachina athidhi ni... veella andarilo devunni choostunnam... that means that, we show gratitude towards one and all in the universe... anntilo devunne choostunnam... daivathvam choostunnam...krutagjnatha choopistunnam... this is the holy concept of HINDUISM...
Daivathvam vundhi...Devudu ledu... okariki vupayoga pade prati manchi pani lonoo daivathvam vundhi...devudu vunnaadu....nuvvu devudi ve for some one ...nenoo devudine for some other one...
Daivathvam vundhi...devudu ledu....idhe nenu Hinduism nunchi ardham cheskunnadhi... anthe gani okka krishnudo, ramudo matrame devullu kaadhu...alaa anukunnam ante inka manam hinduism ni ardham cheskoledhu annamata...
good post ..
explore a little bit of Advaitha .. 'Devudu ledu' ane apoha kuda teeripotundi ..
and anyways .. mana andari lo unna "chetana" ki "prerana" kondariki Daivam .. kondari just jeevam! ye peru aina abhyantaram ledu ..
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Pulibongaram:
nuvvu prasthutham King ve......................... pelli ayye varaku |
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Pulibongaram:nenu king eppudavuthaanu?
andaru king avaru.. prince ee king avutaadu.. ade baatamline
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>>Daivathvam vundhi...Devudu ledu...
tappu..deuvudu unnadu..he manifests himself in all those forms u descrived..adi hinduism essence
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vaake....baatam line eti.......
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Chillarodu:Sri Krishnudu arjunudiki Geethopadesam chese icon esuko ...
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Coolmac:manam prati daanni poojistaam... chettu ni , putta ni, suryudu ni, bhoomi ni, agni, vayuvu... nela... pustakam, aavu, kukka(Bharavudu), dunnapothu(Yama vahanam), elaka,....grahalu, viswam, ramudu, krishundu, daiva swaroopulu ga kondaru manushulni....what not... seasonal festivals lo krimi keetakalani kuda edho oka vidham ga poojistaam... WHY WHY WHY? deeenni batti em ardham ayyindhi neeku?
manava jeevithaniki upayoga padina vaatini, apada lo aadukunna manishi ni, intiki vachina athidhi ni... veella andarilo devunni choostunnam... that means that, we show gratitude towards one and all in the universe... anntilo devunne choostunnam... daivathvam choostunnam...krutagjnatha choopistunnam... this is the holy concept of HINDUISM...
Daivathvam vundhi...Devudu ledu... okariki vupayoga pade prati manchi pani lonoo daivathvam vundhi...devudu vunnaadu....nuvvu devudi ve for some one ...nenoo devudine for some other one...
Daivathvam vundhi...devudu ledu....idhe nenu Hinduism nunchi ardham cheskunnadhi... anthe gani okka krishnudo, ramudo matrame devullu kaadhu...alaa anukunnam ante inka manam hinduism ni ardham cheskoledhu annamata...
ee db lo age ki gauge ki link lekundaa undee kurrol chaala mandi unnaru anukuntaa..
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Coolmac:manam prati daanni poojistaam... chettu ni , putta ni, suryudu ni, bhoomi ni, agni, vayuvu... nela... pustakam, aavu, kukka(Bharavudu), dunnapothu(Yama vahanam), elaka,....grahalu, viswam, ramudu, krishundu, daiva swaroopulu ga kondaru manushulni....what not... seasonal festivals lo krimi keetakalani kuda edho oka vidham ga poojistaam... WHY WHY WHY? deeenni batti em ardham ayyindhi neeku?
manava jeevithaniki upayoga padina vaatini, apada lo aadukunna manishi ni, intiki vachina athidhi ni... veella andarilo devunni choostunnam... that means that, we show gratitude towards one and all in the universe... anntilo devunne choostunnam... daivathvam choostunnam...krutagjnatha choopistunnam... this is the holy concept of HINDUISM...
Daivathvam vundhi...Devudu ledu... okariki vupayoga pade prati manchi pani lonoo daivathvam vundhi...devudu vunnaadu....nuvvu devudi ve for some one ...nenoo devudine for some other one...
Daivathvam vundhi...devudu ledu....idhe nenu Hinduism nunchi ardham cheskunnadhi... anthe gani okka krishnudo, ramudo matrame devullu kaadhu...alaa anukunnam ante inka manam hinduism ni ardham cheskoledhu annamata...
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Bunty717:naku kuda teldu ee vishyam..
manam prati daanni poojistaam... chettu ni , putta ni, suryudu ni, bhoomi ni, agni, vayuvu... nela... pustakam, aavu, kukka(Bharavudu), dunnapothu(Yama vahanam), elaka,....grahalu, viswam, ramudu, krishundu, daiva swaroopulu ga kondaru manushulni....what not... seasonal festivals lo krimi keetakalani kuda edho oka vidham ga poojistaam... WHY WHY WHY? deeenni batti em ardham ayyindhi neeku?
manava jeevithaniki upayoga padina vaatini, apada lo aadukunna manishi ni, intiki vachina athidhi ni... veella andarilo devunni choostunnam... that means that, we show gratitude towards one and all in the universe... anntilo devunne choostunnam... daivathvam choostunnam...krutagjnatha choopistunnam... this is the holy concept of HINDUISM...
Daivathvam vundhi...Devudu ledu... okariki vupayoga pade prati manchi pani lonoo daivathvam vundhi...devudu vunnaadu....nuvvu devudi ve for some one ...nenoo devudine for some other one...
Daivathvam vundhi...devudu ledu....idhe nenu Hinduism nunchi ardham cheskunnadhi... anthe gani okka krishnudo, ramudo matrame devullu kaadhu...alaa anukunnam ante inka manam hinduism ni ardham cheskoledhu annamata... |
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Chillarodu:avunaa? idhi.. 90% hindus ke thelavadhu anukuntaa (including me)
naku kuda teldu ee vishyam..
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Coolmac:Hindu matham kuda devudu ledu ane chebuthondhi kadhaa...
avunaa? idhi.. 90% hindus ke thelavadhu anukuntaa (including me) |
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Bunty717:ee post chuste.. nuvvu paatha NTR bomamlu.. dannam etukoni chusevaadivi ani
naa gatti nammakam.. eti antaavu..lol
sinnappati nunchi kuda naaku daiva bhakthi ledhu...adhento telvadh...as I grow, I am agnostic ani fix ayyaanu... Hindu matham kuda devudu ledu ane chebuthondhi kadhaa... |
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Coolmac:sinnappudu nen alage anukunetodini... brahmins sepistaar..vaalaki sakthulu vuntai alantivi anukunetodini...voorlo edhuraithe thappinchukoni parigethe vaanni...bhayam esedhi 
ee post chuste.. nuvvu paatha NTR bomamlu.. dannam etukoni chusevaadivi ani
naa gatti nammakam.. eti antaavu..lol
andariki golden heart PK telusu.. naaku KF telusu.. |
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Bunty717:ippudu bhayam poyinatundi.. pilichi mari posts esutnnavu.. nee enks..kiki
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Coolmac:.voorlo edhuraithe thappinchukoni parigethe vaanni...bhayam esedhi
ippudu bhayam poyinatundi.. pilichi mari posts esutnnavu.. nee enks..kiki
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Bunty717:
sinnappudu nen alage anukunetodini... brahmins sepistaar..vaalaki sakthulu vuntai alantivi anukunetodini...voorlo edhuraithe thappinchukoni parigethe vaanni...bhayam esedhi |
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Coolmac:sepinchu
andariki golden heart PK telusu.. naaku KF telusu.. |
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Bunty717:toomuch vunkul.. parrot n astrology ni compare cheyatam..
simba ni sepinchu septhaanu...aa tharvatah sooskundhaam...silaka ga marcheyy ee sari ki |
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Anand_n:
Side story.
Meeru Reiki gurinchi chadivara? Very interesting topic.
I got to go. Will share my experience on this later. |
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Simba:
toomuch vunkul.. parrot n astrology ni compare cheyatam..
andariki golden heart PK telusu.. naaku KF telusu.. |
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Simba:Aa time lo mana future cheppe card ela teestundi?
LOL.. akkada chilaka talent kaadhu choodaalsindhi.. aa card choosi jaathakam chadivevaadi goppathanam |
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Simba:What's your opinion on tarot cards, thayatthu, snake oil? How do you rate Pir Baba, Aghori baba?
Placebo effect maaloom ?
The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim |
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Simba:Next. What about Parrots? Josyam cheppe chilaka lo power undha? Aa time lo mana future cheppe card ela teestundi?
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Sonyvaio:tarot cards are like lottery tickets IMO
Next. What about Parrots? Josyam cheppe chilaka lo power undha? Aa time lo mana future cheppe card ela teestundi? |
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Coolmac:NTR to NTR
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Simba:What's your opinion on tarot cards, thayatthu, snake oil? How do you rate Pir Baba, Aghori baba?
tarot cards are like lottery tickets IMO, others i dont believe....I dont believe in babas too |
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Mental_sachinodu:Sonyvaio:
IMO and based on experiences all these gem stone remedies do not work, only thing that works is meditation and reciting of spiritual mantras.....also this will work only purely for psychological means and controls Mind. Mind is the most important signifactor in astrology, ironically many astrologers do not analyze this aspect first while looking a chart
while i agree to this, this does not validate ot invalidate astrology ani na udhesam. reiterating that i agree with our point of view.
koncham.. naalanti metta burra ki ardham ayyetattu cheppandi..
>>only thing that works is meditation and reciting of spiritual mantras.....
ante evidham gaa help avuthai? problems vunte solve avuthaya leka.. avi face cheyyataaniki mental gaa prepare chestaya?
>>also this will work only purely for psychological means and controls Mind. Mind is the most important signifactor in astrology, ironically many astrologers do not analyze this aspect first while looking a chart
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Mental_sachinodu:this does not validate ot invalidate astrology ani na udhesam
Moon is a biggest planet to be analyzed in astrology in all branches...Moon signifies mind in astrology....also even before gregarion calendar was introduced, most of the religions and cultures calendar are lunar based including our own panchangam. Muhurta is defined based on moon position and how it effects a person |
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Sonyvaio:N fanism anaku, only buddodi fan eeda
NTR to NTR |
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Sonyvaio:gem stone remedies
What's your opinion on tarot cards, thayatthu, snake oil? How do you rate Pir Baba, Aghori baba? |
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Bunty717:first time vintunna intresting ga undi..
"Brahmana Ganam ..aham Brahmam..Brahmandam" anukovatamenaa...edhainaa sastraalu sadhivedhi vundhaa? |
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Anand_n:the mind is good enough
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Bunty717:vaarni neeku vonly N fanism anukunna.. mari inta knolwdgeee undaa neeku ee subject meeda ..good to know..
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Sonyvaio:IMO and based on experiences all these gem stone remedies do not work, only thing that works is meditation and reciting of spiritual mantras.....also this will work only purely for psychological means and controls Mind. Mind is the most important signifactor in astrology, ironically many astrologers do not analyze this aspect first while looking a chart
while i agree to this, this does not validate ot invalidate astrology ani na udhesam. reiterating that i agree with our point of view.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
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