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Gandhiguevara
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Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2010 - 05:48 am:       

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Yesterday afternoon, the leader of a microscopic cult of idiots who announced plans to stage an "international" day of Quran burning in Gainesville, Florida held a press conference, for a rapt media which decided that his moronic plans were the single most important thing going on in America. At that press conference, in front of "9/11 Truther" signs, this cult leader lied to everyone who was watching, telling them that he was going to call off his 9/11 book burning festival because he had successfully reached a deal with the people behind the Park51 community center in Lower Manhattan, in which they would move their facility away from the site of the World Trade Center.

Not a word of this was true, but it was amazing, all the same -- at one fell swoop, we had finally knit up the strands of a season of irrationality into one big, shiny, synergized knot. This was supposed to be the end of Recovery Summer? More like Relapse Summer.

The story of how one lone idiot, pimping an 18th-century brand of community terrorism, held the media hostage and forced some of this nation's most powerful people to their knees to fitfully beg an end to his wackdoodlery is an extraordinary one. It's a modern media retelling of Faulkner's "As I Lay Dying", in which a gang of Islamaphobes, cast in the role of Addie Bundren, bamboozle the media into carrying their coffin full of malevolence on a journey of pure debasement. Let's begin at the beginning.

Earlier this year, an organization called the Cordoba Initiative were granted permission by the appropriate authorities in New York City to turn an old Burlington Coat Factory at 51 Park Place in lower Manhattan into a community center. The organization was headed by an Imam named Feisal Abdul Rauf, who has made it his life's work to stand against radical cults like al Qaeda and teach young Muslims that America is a place where one can freely worship at the appointed times and then join other faith communities in America in the task of building a great nation. The proposed community center was to include a basketball court and space for different religious communities in New York City to have interfaith relations. It was also going to have a place for Muslims to pray, if they liked.

The news didn't sit well with many people in New York, most notably people who didn't live in Manhattan. This is because they were told by a gaggle of dumb Islamophobes that what was planned was a "Ground Zero mosque." Of course, the planned community center was not, strictly speaking, a "mosque." And it was most definitely not "at Ground Zero." "Ground Zero" is the site of an interminable municipal construction project. There are no plans to build a mosque there. "Ground Zero" is also not the name of a recognized New York City neighborhood, like DUMBO or Murray Hill. But, here's the thing: even if it was, the battle to stop the "Ground Zero mosque" was already lost, because there already is a mosque in that neighborhood.

This logic failed to sink in, because very few people outside of me and the good people over at Wonkette made any attempt to bring these facts to light. But it might not have mattered, because the fertile field of opposition to the Park51 community center was the raw wound of the September 11th attacks. Obviously, many people are still feeling the loss of that day. And that loss breeds many emotions, among them sadness and anger. And people definitely do have the right to express their sadness and their anger. But what people don't have the right to expect is that the government will intervene to remedy claims that have no basis in law.

As soon as the media saw themselves a shiny shiny shining thing shining shinily in New York City, they pounced! How perfect! Something for us to talk about during the slow-news summer! I mean, we could talk about the nation's unemployment crisis, but that would mean we'd have to talk to poor, jobless people, and there's no currency in having access to a bunch of poors. Right away, they accepted the premise that this was a "Ground Zero mosque," when it wasn't. And so, by the power vested in the media, things that weren't in fact true were accorded the privilege of being "one side of a great debate" and "an interesting point of view."

Story continues below....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/10/this-is-how-the-med ia-wor_n_712229.html
 

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Posted on Friday, September 10, 2010 - 09:55 pm:       


Vjavasi:

i am impressed by his guts and talking


Liberal media...constitution, rights, freedom, freedom of religion, sinthakaaya antuntay...vaadi thappemi ledhu
vaadiki, florida father gaaday karrest. did you see in that interview, imam gaadu emannaado? regarding that FL father?
With Freedom, comes the Responsibility anta
Naakaithey...nimisham navvu aaga ledhu.
 

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Posted on Friday, September 10, 2010 - 09:28 pm:       


Telugu_times:

temple, church, synagogue...or any other controverstila place lo..
dhooradam veellaki 1600 yrs nunchey alavaatu thammudu.
ofcourse, liberal americans ki, time paduthundhi, ardham kaavadaaniki.
When Indian airlines flight was hijacked to kabul on Dec 31, 1999....There was little to none coverage in US news channels, Coz for them, it is not a news/issue at that time.
2 yrs tharuvaatha....they know what it is.
It takes time...anthey





asalu vaadi pogaru choodandi...."Cardoba" ani peru petti peace, inter-faith dialogue ani entha teeyaga, eloquent ga kaburlu cheppadu larry king live lo.....i am impressed by his guts and talking
 

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Posted on Friday, September 10, 2010 - 09:23 pm:       

temple, church, synagogue...or any other controverstila place lo..
dhooradam veellaki 1600 yrs nunchey alavaatu thammudu.
ofcourse, liberal americans ki, time paduthundhi, ardham kaavadaaniki.
When Indian airlines flight was hijacked to kabul on Dec 31, 1999....There was little to none coverage in US news channels, Coz for them, it is not a news/issue at that time.
2 yrs tharuvaatha....they know what it is.
It takes time...anthey
 

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Posted on Friday, September 10, 2010 - 09:15 pm:       

and the parllels with Babri issue

http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/main-article_9-11-ground-zer o-mosque-babri-and-their-symbolism_1436025

9/11, Ground Zero mosque, Babri & their symbolism
Published: Thursday, Sep 9, 2010, 23:58 IST
By Sanjeev Nayyar | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

The controversy over the construction of an Islamic Centre near New Yorkâs Ground Zero has got everyone excited. Media, bloggers, activists and even president Obama have jumped in and out of the fray, with those opposing the centre being labelled âfascistsâ by the liberal media.

The right way to understand the controversy is through its symbolism. September 11, 2001, (9/11) was the first major terror attack on US soil.

Thereâs symbolism in this date. Apart from 911 being an emergency dial-up number, September 11, 1683, was the date on which a Christian army defeated the Muslims in the
Battle of Vienna.

he battle was won by Polish, Austrian and German forces commanded by the King of Poland, against an army of the Ottoman Empire commanded by Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha. The importance of this date could not have been lost on those who planned the 9/11 attack â an attack to defeat Christian America!

The Islamic Centre at Ground Zero was initially proposed to be called âCordoba Houseâ. Cordoba (Muslim Qurdubah) is a city in Spain that symbolised Islamâs inroads into the Christian world. The Arabs conquered the Iberian peninsula in the early eighth century and the St Vincent Church was torn down and replaced with one of the largest mosques of Islam. When the Christians reconquered Cordoba in 1236 they converted the structure into a Cathedral and set up an altar in the middle. In the 16th
century it was given its current look.

This is why even Christians who have not opposed the construction of mosques earlier are upset about Cordoba House.

They understand the significance of why Muslims (subliminally) want a mosque at Ground Zero. 9/11 is perceived as an Islamic attempt to take revenge for the loss in the Battle of Vienna, among other things.

Naming the building âCordoba Houseâ reminds the Americans of the 800-year Muslim rule over Spain, just as two pilgrim places in north India do â the Kashi Vishwanath Temple and the Krishna Janmabhumi. The original Kashi Vishwanath Temple was
destroyed by Aurangzeb and even today you see the Gyanvapi mosque standing on the old temple platform behind the current temple built by Ahilyabai Holkar (1780). The two domes of the temple were covered by gold donated by Maharaja Ranjit Singh (1839). At the Krishna Janmabhumi in Mathura, too, there is a mosque.

Just as these two temples have enormous symbolic significance for Hindu devotees, the symbolism of an Islamic Centre so close to Ground Zero can be a painful memory for those who lost dear ones on 9/11, and for those who understand the symbolism of that date. Constructing a mosque near where the Twin Towers stood is a reminder to the traumas of 9/11.

The supporters of the Ground Zero mosque have made the following arguments in their favour. One, it would promote inter-faith understanding between Muslims and the majority Christian community. It would be a blow to all fascist Muslims who proclaim that the US is anti-Muslim. It might result in fewer American Muslims taking to terror and make society more inclusive. It also affirms every Americanâs constitutional right to religion and its propagation.

Opponents to Ground Zero could counter these by saying the mosque might be, in the Muslim mind, a symbol of Muslim victory over the Christian west and America in particular. The mosque will be on the same lines as the Babri Masjid in India, the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and the Salimya mosque in Istanbul.
A few questions arise: when it comes to inter-faith understanding and pluralism, why do liberals living in democracies repeat these words as gospel but rarely use them when it comes to non-Muslims living in Muslim majority countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Malaysia and the Indian state of J&K?

More importantly, Cordoba House is an attempt to rewrite history. One hundred years from now Americans will only see the mosque, and the Twin Towers will be distant memory. Two hundred years later, Americans might doubt if the Twin Towers ever existed. Babarâs general similarly attempted to rewrite history by destroying the Ram Temple at Ayodhya. If the temple had existed, no Indian court or political party would have doubt the existence of Sri Ram!

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