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Vjavasi
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Post Number: 4221 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 12:25 pm: |
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Kamal:u r missing reality .. antha kante nenu cheppagaligedi emi ledu .. this is 21st century ..
21st century lo china,america,britain,israel valla territories meedha compromise avutunnaya?
Kamal:simple .. they dictate the world policy .. the way world functions .. ninna no .. monnano .. slavery gurinchi vesaru ga thread .. adi enduku veyyalsochindi meeku? exactly the same reason .. avunaa? if u are any realistic .. u would not ask the question why US/UK/UN .. this is a global world and the sooner u realize it the better ..
mari china ni enduku dictate cheyyatledhu.....india ki maatrame world global aa......america, Europe, china ki world maatram valla self interest aa....ivvi anni mana chethagani tanam cover chesukotaniki vupayoga pade arguments kamal |
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Kamal
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Post Number: 15959 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.0.123.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 12:08 pm: |
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Vjavasi:what's the solution for this?.....to wake up the 50% or do lip service to hindutva and compromise?.....compromise aithe problems anni solve avutaaya?....what does bjp intend to achieve by compromise?.....another five years to stick to power....atleast with the previous experience they should have realised that they can't trade with their core beliefs.......they are occupying hindutva space and turning the back when the time comes to act....why didn't they cross line of control during kargil?...we can effectively control terrorism if entire kashmir territory is with you?...there is something fundamentally wrong with the leadership
mee anguish naaku ardam avutondi .. kaani .. manaki unna best option ni vadulukovadam is like .. mana kallu maname poduchukovadam .. bayatiki veltunna .. bye .. "To be born free is an accident. To live free is a privilege. To die free is a responsibility" - Indian Army |
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Vjavasi
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Post Number: 4220 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 11:53 am: |
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Kamal: this is India with only 80% Hindus .. and almost 50% of that population even do not subscribe to your ideas dude
what's the solution for this?.....to wake up the 50% or do lip service to hindutva and compromise?.....compromise aithe problems anni solve avutaaya?....what does bjp intend to achieve by compromise?.....another five years to stick to power....atleast with the previous experience they should have realised that they can't trade with their core beliefs.......they are occupying hindutva space and turning the back when the time comes to act....why didn't they cross line of control during kargil?...we can effectively control terrorism if entire kashmir territory is with you?...there is something fundamentally wrong with the leadership http://voiceofdharma.org/books/tfst/chii6.htm |
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Kamal
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Post Number: 15958 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.0.123.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 11:46 am: |
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Vjavasi:more nationalistic less nationalistic anedhi vundadhu.....either you are nationalistic or you are not.......
I wish .. matters are this black and white .. but unfortunately .. they are more in grey in reality !!! Vjavasi:even 100% jihadis in kashmir india ni oppose chesina kashmir is an integral part of india......
u r missing reality .. antha kante nenu cheppagaligedi emi ledu .. this is 21st century .. Vjavasi:why should US-UK should have a say in India.......china allow chestundha US-UK ni daani internal matters lo.......
simple .. they dictate the world policy .. the way world functions .. ninna no .. monnano .. slavery gurinchi vesaru ga thread .. adi enduku veyyalsochindi meeku? exactly the same reason .. avunaa? if u are any realistic .. u would not ask the question why US/UK/UN .. this is a global world and the sooner u realize it the better .. "To be born free is an accident. To live free is a privilege. To die free is a responsibility" - Indian Army |
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Vjavasi
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Post Number: 4219 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 11:08 am: |
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Kamal:
Bjp track record atla vundhi kamal.....chepedhi okati chesedhi quite opposite.......doubts raise avvatam quite natural....infact question cheyyali kooda.....even 100% jihadis in kashmir india ni oppose chesina kashmir is an integral part of india......it belongs to indian poeople not kashmiris....why should US-UK should have a say in India.......china allow chestundha US-UK ni daani internal matters lo.......even a drop of poison can spoil whole milk.... cader ki cheppedhi okati veellu chesedhi inkokati.....more nationalistic less nationalistic anedhi vundadhu.....either you are nationalistic or you are not.......nobody can point fingers against the Rss-Bjp cader, but the leaders can't escape responsibility..... |
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Kamal
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Post Number: 15954 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.0.123.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 10:51 am: |
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Vjavasi: For good reasons we cannot dismiss the RSS as an anti-national organization with a sweeping stroke of the pen. I am also surprised at Prof Hari Om's "All that the nation has done in J&K all these 63 years to integrate it into India". Factually wrong Sir. There has been no attempt to integerate the state into the nation. The jihadi state has a separate constitution; this constitution has not conferred equal rights on all its inhabitants and this jihaid state has integerated only minimally with the Indian constitution and that thru the instrument of Article 370. Jihadis being jiahdis they have never integrated themselves with the Hindu nation. So Prof. Hari Om's sweeping statement that the RSS will undermine integrating efforts of 63 years and his statement that the RSS will hit the nation below the belt is not just bad judgment, it is actually a political helpline for the Congress which alone is responsible for the mess that this state is today. I am with Prof Hari Om for the BJP's attempts to play at politics of minority-ism but would caution him not to throw the parent with the baby and the bathwater.
This comment by Radha Rajan .. finally shows that there is some much needed sanity in the way these people think .. as far as BJP is concerned .. it is a political party .. it is by far the most nationalistic party in India still .. yes, they are consciously trying to not alienate minorities as well .. and there is no wrong in it .. if they do minority licking .. then that is where you can complain .. but they are still the most pro-India party on the arena .. if you want to distance yourself with your best bet .. good luck with that .. find your champions who can maneuver in the political space with a hardline Hindu image and lets see how successful they will be .. this is India with only 80% Hindus .. and almost 50% of that population even do not subscribe to your ideas dude .. wake up and try to play a debater instead of whining !!! "To be born free is an accident. To live free is a privilege. To die free is a responsibility" - Indian Army |
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Kamal
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Post Number: 15953 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.0.123.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 10:41 am: |
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Vjavasi:
minimum common sense leni valla laga unnaru kada annai comments wise .. ante Article 370 povaali ani entha try chestunna .. still manaki nachinattu undatledu ani .. chivara ki .. Mohan Bhagwat, Sushma Swaraj, Bhayyaji Joshi .. andariki edo black mark vesesi sambara padipothara? LOL .. antha potu gallu aithe vellane velli peekamanandi edanna .. enduku ee kanta sosha .. enta sepu .. bayatiki okati cheptunnaru .. lopala intention veredi undi ani edustunnaru aa commenters .. how the hell do they know "only" know about the intent .. asalu picha comedy vyavaharam galla laaga unnaru .. Kashmir ki solution emundi???? anti-India sentiments baga perigaayi last 3 months lo .. what r u going to do about it .. enta kaadu anukunna .. US/UK etc countries will have a say on India .. veella bavi lo lokam lo .. US/UK ni dikkarinchi emanna podichestunnara .. intha myopic ga .. unrealistic ga alochinche vallu inka unnarante aascharyam ga untondi .. "To be born free is an accident. To live free is a privilege. To die free is a responsibility" - Indian Army |
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Kamal
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Post Number: 15952 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.0.123.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 10:24 am: |
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Vjavasi:Under American pressure to which its leadership is particularly susceptible, the BJP-RSS seems to have agreed to help out the Congress to push through the highly controversial Nuclear Liability Bill in the ongoing Monsoon Session of Parliament. The objective is to keep the American administration in good humour for reasons not difficult to fathom.
BJP to oppose amended N-bill in Parliament
quote:New Delhi: The BJP on Sunday said it would oppose a controversial amendment made in the Civil Nuclear Liability Bill which would come up for discussion in Lok Sabha on August 25. BJP Spokesperson Nirmala Sitharaman slammed the Cabinet for accepting the the amendment, which is being seen to be diluting the right of recourse of operator to seek damages from supplier in the event of an accident, and warned the government of an Opposition backlash in Parliament. "The latest amendment which has been cleared by Cabinet, which is going to be tabled tomorrow, we have strong objections to it," said Sitharaman. The BJP is upset after the government introduced 2 new sub-clauses in the bill, saying a supplier will be held accountable for a disaster in a nuclear plant only if the accident occurred is seen as a result of the suppliers' intent to cause damage. The amended Clause 17 says "the operator of a nuclear installation, after paying the compensation for nuclear damage in accordance with Section 6, shall have a right of recourse where -- (a) such right is expressly provided for in a contract in writing; (b) the nuclear incident has resulted as a consequence of an act of supplier or his employees, done with the intent to cause nuclear damage, and such act includes supply of equipment or material with patent or latent defects or sub-standard services; (c) the nuclear incident has resulted from the act of commission or omission of an individual done with intent to cause nuclear damage." Critics of this sub-clause say it is nearly impossible to prove 'intent' in the court of law and hence would make it difficult for victims to seek damages from the supplier. Significantly, neither the original bill nor the recommendations of Parliamentary Standing Committee which examined it had contained such a proposal. Only earlier this week, the government had to beat a hasty retreat when a controversy arose over inclusion of a word "And" between sub-clauses (a) and (b) in Clause 17 which the BJP and Left parties feared diluted the supplier's liability in case of an accident. The government then dropped the controversial word but reworked the language of the Clause 17 in which the word "intent" has been included. CPI leader D Raja reacted strongly to the fresh changes made by the government, saying these would dilute the supplier's liability drastically. "I don't understand what they say. Disaster is a disaster. Who will agree that this was done willfully or deliberately. It is irrational and ridiculous," he said. The Left parties would look at the amendments carefully when these are brought to Parliament and decide their strategy.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bjp-to-oppose-controversial-nbill -amendment-in-ls/129377-37-64.html?from=tn sodhi naa article ani ninna annadi induke ..  "To be born free is an accident. To live free is a privilege. To die free is a responsibility" - Indian Army |
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Vjavasi
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Post Number: 4218 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 10:24 am: |
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some comments What is going on in BJP has been clear when Jaswant Singh went to Kandhar with the tererorists treating them like State Guests. The whole Vajpayee - Musharraf plan if it had not been ex[osed was to sell India and give further imputus to the secessionists in Kashmir Valley. The writer, has rightly said that BJP_ RSS has come a long way when they were commited to the nation. In the name of Mukherjee who wanted to unite India BJP has set on dismembering India. But looks that the enemy is from within Who gives them the mandate to sell India to these rouges and terrorists. Sushma Swaraj, Gadkari and the rest should be expelled and action should be taken for furthering the secessionist agenda. Kamakshi S 22 Aug 2010 This is a cause of concern to one and all. The actions of BJP and RSS in the State of Jammu and Kashmir are quite questionable and now even in New Delhi. The truth is that this party with a difference does not even know the meaning of sovereignty and territorial integrity. This macabre dance heading towards holding these talks and discussions is to dilute the sovereignty of the country at the hands opf Islamic terrorists. People like Sushma Swaraj, Gadkari, drama actor Smriti Irani, Tarun Vijay and many others have sold there soul to Islamic Jihadi's and are destroying what Shama Prasad Mukherjee wanted: ek nishan ek pradhan ek samvidhan_ Ek BHarat! AK Singh, Jammu 22 Aug 2010 The true face of BJP RSS on Hindus, Hindu affairs and the unity of the Nation. Prof Hari Om has rightly explained the real reaon. BJP's act is nothing less than treason - with the country, with the people of Jammu and kashmir, with the Hindus in particular and treason to the unity of Indian Nation. And if there were any Kashmiri Pandits or Hindus affirming the agenda and dealing a blow to the Nations unity, they too should be considered dhimmis of the Islamic Jihadis. The real designs to dismember the country as Stated every now and then by Pakistan are being truly forwarded and realised by Jinnah loving BJP RSS. Hindus need to ponder and give all these a fitting burial Rajni Bhat 22 Aug 2010 If we assume that the analysis and conclusions made by the writer are correct then it shows that the truth and reality is finally dawning upon the indian establishment now (it was about time )about whole situation.This should have been cosidered 60 years ago,(well they say its never too late) just imagine the sub-contintnt in peac for 60 years,ther would been no wars,no distruction,so much developement,all the people living i happiness,we could become the "Developed" nations............IMAGINE. observer 22 Aug 2010 "Donât trust the respective leadership of the RSS and the BJP when they aver that they are committed to the national cause in Jammu & Kashmir. They are not committed to anything they say publicly. The overt and covert activities suggest that the Parivar is contemplating a major mischief to hit the Indian nation below the belt and negate all that the nation has done in Jammu & Kashmir all these 63 years to integrate it into India." While in complete agreement with Prof Hari Om about Shri Tarun Vijay's towering ambitions to play at Track II winning-hearts-and-minds of the jihadis, and the BJP leadership's total indifference to Hindu sensibilites on any issue, I am surprised that Prof Hari Om has hyphenated the RSS with the BJP. For good reasons we cannot dismiss the RSS as an anti-national organization with a sweeping stroke of the pen. I am also surprised at Prof Hari Om's "All that the nation has done in J&K all these 63 years to integrate it into India". Factually wrong Sir. There has been no attempt to integerate the state into the nation. The jihadi state has a separate constitution; this constitution has not conferred equal rights on all its inhabitants and this jihaid state has integerated only minimally with the Indian constitution and that thru the instrument of Article 370. Jihadis being jiahdis they have never integrated themselves with the Hindu nation. So Prof. Hari Om's sweeping statement that the RSS will undermine integrating efforts of 63 years and his statement that the RSS will hit the nation below the belt is not just bad judgment, it is actually a political helpline for the Congress which alone is responsible for the mess that this state is today. I am with Prof Hari Om for the BJP's attempts to play at politics of minority-ism but would caution him not to throw the parent with the baby and the bathwater. Radha Rajan 22 Aug 2010 @Radha Rajan - please recall the article by Ajaat Jamwal (27 Jan 2010, vijayvaani) - which exposed the fact that the RSS prant pracharak Arun Kumar went to Nagrota camp of Kashmiri Hindu migrants and told them to get ready for second kurbani and be bakras and go back to Valley for pretended rapprochement with Islamists, so that the current mischief could be taken to logical conclusion. KPs did not agree, then or now, and so now the RSS BJP combine is going ahead with the Jinnah ko Pakistan do movement on their own. RSS has shown duplicity in dealings with Hindus many times since the forced exodus of Hindus from the Valley. Sangeet 22 Aug 2010 The writer has correctly brought out the fact that Tarun Vijay is playing a carefully thought out game by party leadership. Quietly calling stone-throwing thugs from Kashmir with jholawallahs from JNU, buying up some sarkari Kashmiri Hindus, and excluding all critical voices. Clearly Tarun was given Rajya Sabha for a purpose. Sam 22 Aug 2010 Tarun Vijay in his bakwas blog in Times Online said they went to some Masjid for namaz, and then went to Akshardham for sight seeing, did namaz again and broke Ramadan fast in temple. Can Akshardham Swamis â who do not look at women â explain how another religion could do religious rites in a Hindu temple â or is Akshardham only a Museum for white Christian tourists and Muslims can use it like a picnic ground? With religious leaders like this, what can one expect from politicians? Pradyum 22 Aug 2010 @Radha, I stopped going to Sangh Meetings, Shakhas, Programmes after September 14, 1990. I distanced myself from my family since that time too. I belong to a staunch RSS family, from both my father and mother's side. And understand what I am going to reveal. Send my your email ID and I can divulge the entire details. I august 1990, I was on an Andhra-Tamilnadu whirlwind tour garnering support for an ABVP programme - Chalo Lal Chowk. Under instructions from a very senior (No.2) leader of the RSS I was asked to stay put at Jhandewala for some deliberations. Manadal was at its peak. To my utter dismay and shock, the ABVP programme was downplayed and a new plan about Babri Ayodhya was taken up after a socialist stalwart and a very senior Cabinet Minister in VP Singh Government at the dead of the night wrapped in a thick blanket descended at Jhandewala. It happened by chance that I became a witness to the entire interaction between GF and BD. I get more and more convinced, after every passing year that the Organization and the Political Party that were nurtured by the sweat and blood of my family too, are somewhere on board a diabolical intrigue. The sooner we understand the deceit and bare the devil in them, the sooner we shall work to create an alternative. Shailendra Aima Jammu 22 Aug 2010 And for the information of you all, OTC trained RSS Swayamsevaks have been organising Election Campaigns of Mr. Lone in Kupwara. What is the connect? And these are not Ex-Swayamsevaks, but those who are working at the behests of senior RSS luminaries. A substantial amount of funds of Home-ministry were kept at their disposal. After some revelations from Ajaat, I was contacted by these elements and requested to go slow since it was not in "national interest" to make these expose. They also tried to convince me that because of their efforts a great majority of Youth in Kashmir would soon launch a pro-India Struggle and would be demonstrating on streets. That was in January 2010. I wonder if the efforts of these Swayamsevaks have really worked in creating the Great Kashmiri Intifada in the form of Stone-pelting youths, whose leadership is being now entertained in Delhi by the BJP leadership? GOD SAVE INDIA! Shailendra Aima Jammu 22 Aug 2010 Tarun Vijay took these stone pelting mobsters to meet the Home Minister and then he also took them to Akshardham temple. This mob broke its ramzan fast in the temple. Where was Tarun Vijay when Advani was HM and did anybody from the BJP meet the pandits who are living in refugee camps and did any BJP MP arrange a meeting of home minister Advani with Kashmiri Pandits? Why do we need a naqli anti-Hindu BJP when the country already has the asli anti-Hindu Italian National Congress? Rajeev Shukla 22 Aug 2010 Dude Tarun Vijay, now that the jihadis have issued a threat to kill the Sikhs in Kashmir, are you going to get another set of jihadis to Delhi to meet the Prime Minister who is a Sikh? And then maybe you can arrange a day trip for these jihadis to the Amritsar Golden Temple to break their ramzan roza fast. And this time you can use some picture from Sahmat or maybe you can ask Teesta Setalvad to give you a picture of stonethrowing jihadis to put on your party's advertisement in all big newspapers. Why do we need enemies when we have Tarun Vijay, Gadkari and Sushma Swaraj? S Bhavatharini 22 Aug 2010 Dear Radha Rajan Ji I an understand your concern over my assessment about RSS. But what I have written is a fact. The very fact that no action has been taken against Tarun Vijay, who has been carrying on activities particularly since January 2009, which according to you also, are not conducive to the unity and integrity of India, does indicate that he not only enjoys the support of some to BJP leaders, but he also enjoys support of certain elements in the RSS. ## RSS has to make its stand public on the activities of Tarun Vijay failing which it shall presumed that both the RSS and BJP are working unison and that they have asked Tarun prepare the ground for Kashmir's autonomy/independence. I am not a supporter of the Congess policies towards the state. In fact, I am a bitter critic. You know it. But it is fact that it was Congress, which had earlier bungled in 1949 by incorporating separatist and communal Article 370 in the Indian Constitution, that between 1953 and 1990 extended hundreds of Central laws to the state. It extended 260 out of 395 Articles of the Indian Constitution. It extended 94 out of the 97 entries in the Union List. It applied 26 out of 47 entries in the concurrent list. Besides, it applied 7 out of the 12 Schedules of the Indian Constitution. Not just this, the Congress in 1965 replaced the nomenclatures of Sadar-e-Riyasat and Wazir-e-Azam with the nomenclatures of Governor and Chief Minister, respectively, to bring the state at par with other states of the Union. It also abolished the permit system. As for the BJP, which ruled India between 1998 and May 2004, it did not extend even a single Central law. On the contrary, it dropped the demand for the abrogation of Article 370. Just look at the 2008 election manifesto under which the party contested the Assembly elections in J&K. The BJP is the political organ of the RSS. Whatever BJP does, it does in consultation with RSS. That RSS has lost its moorings could be seen from the manner in which L K Advani became the Prime Ministerial candidate, the manner in which the supporter of Afzal Guru, acccused in the Parliament terror attack case, entered the Rajya Sabha on the BJP ticket, and the manner in which Jaswant Singh was taken back by the party, notwithstanding his public statement that he stood by what he wrote in his book on Jinnah, leave alone Tarun Vijay. I do hope Ms Radha Rajan will consider all these facts. Everyone would be pleased with her if she could make the RSS leadership not to tread the dangerous path through Tarun Vijay. Hari Om 22 Aug 2010 Let us all go back to the immediate aftermath of the 2009 general elections. BJP stalwarts were hanging their heads in the shame of defeat and RSS came to the fore. All Hindu nationalists expected some concrete action including the sidelining of Mr.L.K.Advani and his coterie. The RSS Chief Mr.Mohan Bagwath waxed eloquent in all broadcasts. He brought in Mr.Nitin Gadkari, who was touted as a no-nonsense man. But, Mr.Advani and his coterie remain as powerful as ever. Mr.Mohan Bagwath said the famous statement âTerror has no religionâ and Mr.Gadkari followed it with another glorious statement, âWe focus on 10% Muslim votesâ. Now the likes of Mr.Tarun Vijay, Ms.Sushma Swaraj and Mr.Arun Jaitley are running the show and Mr.Gadkari simply joins them. Mr.Mohan Bagwath, from whom the Hindu nationalists expected a lot, is not to be seen or heard at all! Professor Hariâs article has clearly exposed the RSS-BJP. Forget about BJP, it is really sad to see the situation of a great organization like RSS. It is a classic example of how the actions of a few Self-centered individuals would spoil an organization. There is no point in trying to differentiate between RSS and BJP, for the whole country knows that the BJP cannot do anything without the consent of RSS. RSS-BJP is like Sonia-Manmohan. Manmohan cannot do anything without getting the approval of Sonia or without informing her. But, Sonia can do anything without the consent of Manmohan or without even informing him. Similarly RSS can do! If at all some of the former RSS ideologues are worried about the organization, it is the right time for them to step in and set things right, for Congress has started losing ground heavily and Hindu Samaj cannot afford to rely on the likes of above-mentioned characters. Jaggu Bhai 22 Aug 2010 Sikhs in the Kashmir Valley have received anonymous letters from Islamic militants asking them to either embrace Islam and join the protests against civilian killings or pack up and leave the Valley. The 60,000-strong Sikh community is the single largest minority group in the Valley. An organisation of Kashmiri Sikhs said that several community members have received these letters. "Community members have received unsigned letters at various places," said All Party Sikh Coordination Committee (ASCC) coordinator Jagmohan Singh Raina. He said the community has decided to stay put and fight these "evil designs" at a meeting in Srinagar on Thursday. Raina quoted a letter as saying: "When you are enjoying the joys here, why can't you share the grief and sorrow of Kashmiris as well? We know you are afraid of bullets... Hold protests inside gurdwaras or leave Kashmir." He added, "Some letters have asked Sikhs to embrace Islam." Raina urged both factions of the Hurriyat, JKLF and PoK-based United Jihad Council to take serious note of the threats to maintain amity and brotherhood in the Valley. Hardline separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani has reassured the Sikhs saying they shouldn't feel threatened and should ignore the "fake letters". He assured the community that nobody would force them to join the protests. Earlier, Geelani has made an emotional appeal against forcing minorities to join the protests and said harming them would be like "inflicting a wound on his (Geelani's) body". The state unit of Akali Dal (Badal) president Ajeet Singh Mastana described the threats as acts by anti-social elements. "The threats can't break us and reduce our love for our motherland," he said. yogesh saxena 22 Aug 2010 NEW DELHI ISLAMABAD It took a week and a pointed push by Washington for Pakistan to finally see sense and accept India's flood-relief assistance. Reeling under its worst-ever humanitarian crisis, Pakistan responded to an Indian offer of assistance with visible reluctance. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh reiterated the Indian offer to his counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani on Thursday, even offering to increase assistance. The US state department spokesperson on Thursday actually said Washington "expected" Pakistan to accept the assistance, which swung Islamabad into action. Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi announced in New York on Thursday that Pakistan would accept Indian help. Welcoming it, MEA spokesperson, Vishnu Prakash said, ""We believe India and Pakistan share a common destiny and also that it was in common interest of both our countries to work together for having cordial and cooperative relations." Qureshi had said last week that Pakistan was hesitating on the Indian aid offer because of the "sensitivity" of the relationship. In the past couple of days, US senator John Kerry, who was visiting Pakistan had also told president Asif Zardari that Pakistan should accept Indian aid. Addressing a special UN session on Thursday, Qureshi warned that unless Pakistan received adequate international assistance, hard-won gains in the war against terrorists would be undermined. Part of the reason for Pakistan not accepting Indian aid thus far was opposition among the hardliners both inside Pakistan's military establishment and among the extremists. A significant section of Pakistan's media, too, opposed the aid. An editorial in Urdu daily Nawa-i-Waqt said, "The Indian offer of aid is like throwing salt on our wounds." It went on to say that India had built dams to secure itself and was releasing water into Pakistan's rivers as part of its design to devastate Pakistan, using water as a weapon. "Sometimes it uses water to flood Pakistan and sometimes it wants to transform Pakistan into a parched desert." The Indian high commission in Islamabad is now working out what Pakistan will need and mobilise them quickly. Officials said since India enjoyed a proximity advantage it would be able to move the assistance quickly. On the Indian side too, while there was some hesitation given that in 2005, Pakistan refused a $25 million offer by India, as well as taking the extreme step of ripping off India labels from the assistance package. "Pakistan is facing a slow-motion tsunami. Its destructive powers will accumulate and grow with time," Ban Ki-Moon warned the UN on Thursday. According to weather forecasts, more rain is expected in the coming weeks. The trouble is, though the UN has appealed for $460m in aid donors have so far given about half that figure. But the UN says they need all of it right now. Richard Holbrooke, US' Af-Pak envoy, has called on China to step up aid. So far, China has given $7.4 million, leaving the top slot for donors to the US, Saudi Arabia and the UK. The wealthy Gulf and OIC countries, too, have been less than generous. Holbrooke said, "The water has affected everyone, It's an equal opportunity disaster, and military operations have effectively faded away." An embarrassed China stepped up aid pledges on Friday. Yet, international relief has been hesitant and grudging. The reasons for that may be several. First, coming barely months after the other big tragedy in Haiti, there is little to spare, specially among countries hit by recession and under fiscal constraints. According to comparisons by NGOs, if on day 16 after the 2004 tsunami aid commitments were over $1.4 billion, Pakistan on day 16 has received $200 million. Coming in the middle of a very slow global recovery, its difficult for countries to fund two major disasters back to back. Second, the nature of the Pakistan disaster has not generated the kind of shock that the tsunami or the earthquake did. The death toll is still at 2,000, though given the state of the homeless and dispossessed, the damage in terms of lives and livelihoods will only happen over time. It's a callous explanation, but perhaps, unfortunately true that droughts and floods have always attracted less internatinal attention, though the damage may be greater. But a more important reason is the general skepticism about how the aid will be used by a corrupt civilian government or whether it could be diverted by the military establishment. This is part of Pakistan's biggest problem -- of an image deficit. With only bad news of officially sanctioned extremists streaming out of Pakistan, its become difficult for the world to feel sympathetic. Nevertheless behind the worry lines on everybody's faces is the fear that the Islamists and terrorists would benefit in the absence of credible government activity. There are ample reports of LeT and Taliban groups setting up relief camps and being a lot more efficient at distributing relief. Its to stem the hearts-and-minds drain to the extremists that the world is working overtime. The other institution that has established its credentials is the army, which has been more organised and efficient in disbursing relief and aid, particularly in the Waziristan and Swat and Bajaur areas which are off bounds for UN teams. In the middle of all this, the US-led war against terror continues: drones have continued their attacks as have the Taliban, most recently in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. Read more: Pak accepts Indian aid after US prod - Pakistan - World - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistan-f inally-accepts-Indian-flood-aid-offer/articleshow/6369785.cm s#ixzz0xCnJy5FCBUT WHAT THE LEADERS OF BJP AND THE MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT ARE DOING WHILE IN OPPOSITION OF THE GOVERNMENT HAS AGRREED TO A WHO WILL PLAY THEROLE OF KRISHNA TO ELIMINATE EVIL FORCES ??? WHY THESE BJP PERSON UNDER THE PRESIDENT SHIP OF ATAL BIHARI GOVERNMENT HAVE RELEASED RAHUL GANDHI WHEN HEWAS INTROGATED AT BOSTON BY FBI HAVING 10 MILLIAN DOLLAR AND A GIRL OF VENEZULLA. CHARGE SHEET AGAINST SONIAGANDHI IN CASE OD 36 ANTIQUES SUBMITTED BY CBI WAS DROPPED IN FEB2001???? WAKE UP HINDUS??? I HAVE NO COMPLAINT AGAINST ANTI NATIONALIST, BUT I AM FEELING PAIN TO THE EXTEND THAT HEART HAS NOW PROFOUND BLEEDING AT HEART AND I WANT TO LEAVE THIS NATION TO THE DOGS, WOLF AND VULTURES???.GOOD BYE yogesh saxena 22 Aug 2010 |
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sodhi lo article .. why the hell would this author presume/assume/imagine things that BJP-RSS have an intention to pave the way for American shit in sub continent and why will it want to support Congress .. I dont know what is this guy smoking .. but if he wants to write fiction like this .. he should atleast establish a motive and then write all the crap !!! "To be born free is an accident. To live free is a privilege. To die free is a responsibility" - Indian Army |
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http://vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=1381 <<<<< Back To Home RSS-BJP prepare ground for Kashmir Autonomy Hari Om 22 Aug 2010 Donât trust the respective leadership of the RSS and the BJP when they aver that they are committed to the national cause in Jammu & Kashmir. They are not committed to anything they say publicly. The overt and covert activities suggest that the Parivar is contemplating a major mischief to hit the Indian nation below the belt and negate all that the nation has done in Jammu & Kashmir all these 63 years to integrate it into India. The RSS-BJP has not only given up its original agenda and the ideology it appeared to profess until 1998 when it formed a rag-tag conglomerate to execute a political coup in Delhi, but has decided to tread a path leading inevitably to the separation of Kashmir from India. In fact, it is preparing the ground for Kashmir Autonomy â a small step short of complete independence â to facilitate the Congress-led regimeâs desire to strike a deal with the Kashmiri separatists, whose single-point agenda is to dismember India and establish in the state what Syed Ali Shah Geelani calls âNizam-e-Mustafaâ (Islamic rule). Under American pressure to which its leadership is particularly susceptible, the BJP-RSS seems to have agreed to help out the Congress to push through the highly controversial Nuclear Liability Bill in the ongoing Monsoon Session of Parliament. The objective is to keep the American administration in good humour for reasons not difficult to fathom. It will also enable the under-American-pressure Congress-led UPA Government to grant what the Kashmiri separatists want, so that the Obama administration is able to help Pakistan establish its control over turbulent Afghanistan, the legendary âgraveyard of empires.â The BJP and the Congress are now working in tandem and complementing each othersâ efforts. Clearly, these efforts are calculated to (1) befriend US President Barrack Hussain Obama and promote American interests in the region, (2) facilitate a truce with Pakistan over Indian Jammu & Kashmir, (3) create conditions to ease tensions on the international border and Line of Actual Control between India and Pakistan, and (4) enable Islamabad to send more Islamic warriors â Taliban and Al-Qaeda style â to its western border to play nefarious games in Afghanistan and force India to quit this country though it is vital to Indian geo-political interests and national safety and security. That BJP is contemplating a major mischief is a statement of fact, easily verifiable. And for this there is no need to revisit Colombo, March 1999, when then Indian Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh, right hand man to Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, met his Pakistani counterpart Sartaj Aziz and agreed to grant âmaximum possible autonomy to Kashmir and its adjoining areasâ, divide Jammu province along Chenab River on communal lines, and render the Line of Actual Control irrelevant for all practical purposes. This was more than eleven years ago. It was the immediate fall-out of the growing and baneful American influence. Now look at what BJP has been doing since January this year, from the platform of the Dr Syama Prasad Mookerjee Foundation (DSPMF). The party seems to have charged Tarun Vijay, a âgreatâ RSS ideologue and former editor of Panchjanya, and now a Rajya Sabha MP, with the responsibility to prepare the ground for Kashmirâs independence/autonomy without any regard to the vital interests of the non-Muslim minorities in the State, including Hindus, Buddhists, Kashmiri Hindus and Sikhs, who comprise a population of nearly 4.5 million. Tarun Vijay launched his pro-Kashmir Autonomy crusade on January 19, 2010, a day that is annually observed by Kashmiri Hindus as Holocaust Day. This year, on that significant date, he organized a discussion on Jammu & Kashmir on the platform of the Syama Prasad Mookerjee Foundation, and invited as a speaker, Ms Madhu Kishwar, editor of the defunct Manushi and fellow, Centre for the Study of Developing Societies. Kishwar is a well-known protagonist of self-rule for the state. Tarun Vijay invited her because she had previously invited him to a seminar she organised in Teen Murti Bhavan on November 7, 2009, where the famed terrorist Yasin Malik participated! She later sent a detailed report to the Government of India suggesting self-rule (semi-independence) for Kashmir as the only viable solution to the âKashmir problem.â As the Syama Prasad Mookerjee Foundation is RSS-controlled, and Tarun Vijay is its Director â and was even then a contender for the Rajya Sabha from Uttarakhand, as attested by the fact that the Chief Minister attended this function though he was not listed among the invitees â the invitation to Kishwar sent a clear message that the supposedly pro-Hindu fraternity was willing to help the fundamentalist and regressive forces in Kashmir achieve what they could not in all these years since the Stateâs accession to India. Kishwar was allowed to speak despite hectic behind the scenes efforts to dis-invite her, and a noisy protest when she rose to speak. Such is the state of nationalism in the Parivar today. Not content with the body blow to the national cause in Jammu & Kashmir on January 19, Tarun Vijay went ahead and organised a seminar in Srinagar on June 23, ostensibly to recall the contribution of Dr Syama Prasad Mookerjee, founder president of the Jana Sangh, who laid down his life for the national cause in Kashmir on June 23, 1953. It may appear ludicrous and unbelievable, but it is a fact that none of the seminarians, including Tarun Vijay, talked about Mookerjee and Kashmir! Everyone talked about China, Pakistan and Afghanistan. That Kashmir and Mookerjee were ignored was another clear indication that the BJP was slowly but surely creating conditions conducive to the segregation of Jammu & Kashmir from India. The message from the seminar was that China, not Pakistan, was Indiaâs number one enemy (a George Fernandes plant that has been brought hook, line and sinker, by the Parivar). It is hardly necessary to reflect on the implications of what the seminarians said about China, which, of course, is a powerful rival, but not necessarily an enemy nation. The idea was to promote the American-inspired propaganda that India faces a two-front situation and that New Delhi should divert its attention from Islamabad and towards Beijing, though it is Pakistan that has been bleeding India and seeking its dismemberment since October 1947. Gadkari-Sushma lead anti-India crusade On August 17-18, the RSS-BJP combine surpassed itself when the Dr Syama Prasad Mookerjee Foundation organised a discussion at the India International Centre (venue of the infamous Aman ki Asha initiative openly derided by the Armed forces) to virtually identify themselves with the extremists and protagonists of independence for Jammu & Kashmir. Organised by the indefatigable Tarun Vijay, the programme began with a minuteâs silence in the memory of all the âinnocent people, including the security personnel, killed in Kashmir.â Tarun Vijay thus made it loud and clear at the very outset that those killed in Kashmir in the recent clashes with security personnel were all âinnocents.â He sweetened this bitter pill by also acknowledging the deaths of security personnel at the hands of these vicious, rented, and unrelenting mobs. And who were the participants? Mainly rabidly anti-India Kashmiri separatists; including Siddiq Wahid, Vice-Chancellor of the Islamic University, Kashmir. Tarun Vijay rigorously excluded Jammu and Ladakh; perhaps he felt that the representatives from these regions would defeat his evil designs. We learn that the participants included representatives of the youthful stone-throwers of the Valley, and the BJP was represented by its national president Nitin Gadkari, Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj, so-called think-tank director Balbir Punj, and the new glamour-intellectual poster girl Smriti Irani. With some effort, BJP managed to get four to five displaced Kashmiri Hindu boys and girls to attend. But these were those who on August 7 participated in the Kashmiri separatist-sponsored anti-India dharna at Jantar Mantar, New Delhi, where pro-independence slogans were raised. One of the slogans was: âWe want Azadi; Azadi means Islamic rule.â In other words, they were ârentedâ Hindus. It is reported that Tarun Vijay shamelessly described the seminar âas a historic ice-breaking momentâ and hailed the participants from Kashmir, mostly from the Islamic University, as âbrilliant, power-packed with views, pursuing their Masterâs and PhDs in various subjects, including journalism, engineering, MBA and science.â Siddiq Wahid, who, along with Amitabh Mattoo, has been openly pouring venom on India and participating in the anti-India PUGWASH-sponsored seminars and conferences, described the IIC interaction between Kashmiri separatists and BJP leaders as âunprecedented and the most useful interaction ever held.â And why not? After all, he and his team of Kashmiri separatists, who are part and parcel of the ongoing âGo India Goâ movement in Kashmir, had found in Gadkari, Sushma, Punj, Vijay and Irani, patrons who could help them achieve freedom from the âfearful and terrorist India;â while DSPMF was a good platform from which to conduct anti-India operations. Apparently, Smriti Irani, who knows nothing about Jammu & Kashmir, assured the Kashmiri separatists of BJPâs unstinted support. She gave a categorical commitment that she and others of her ilk would reach out to the Kashmiri youth (read dreaded separatists) in a manner no one had reached out to them so far. And all this on the platform named after Dr Syama Prasad Mookerjee, who gave his life for one country, one flag, one constitution. Can there be a greater irony, a greater historical injustice? As for the Kashmiri separatists, 56 in number, most of them students, they condemned India and the security forces and demanded independence saying âIndia in Kashmir represents fear and terror; when the word India comes to a Kashmiriâs mind, a common Kashmiri, what comes in his mind is a soldier with a gun in his hand; (and) fear and terror is all what a common Kashmiri feels.â In an interesting if unintended self-exposure, Tarun Vijay, in a blog he writes for the Times of India (Aug. 18), revealed that some participants â Rakhshanda, Lubna, Afsana, Nazeer, had âjust returned from a 20-year stint in the US.â Obviously, these were the real controllers and agent provocateurs in the meeting, and they had come straight from Uncle Samâs Cabin!!! In this vein, the Stone Pelters Inc. poured venom on India in the presence of Nitin Gadkari. And this venerable, instead of walking out of the hall and expelling Tarun Vijay from the party for organising such a patently anti-national activity, asked the separatists âwhy donât they speak what they want to speak in a free and frank atmosphere?â He, like Tarun Vijay, appeared very pleased with the interventions of these Kashmiri fanatics. No one from the BJP told the fanatics that they their demand for secession was high treason, and that whatever was happening in Kashmir was nothing but a naked manifestation of their communal approach to Jammu & Kashmir. The Kashmiri student separatists were delighted at this captive audience. Hailing Sushma Swaraj for the platform and kind hearing given to them on the subject of Azadi, they told a national audience via television - âWhy doesnât New Delhi follow Sushma Swaraj?â They gave this generous certificate because Home Minister P. Chidambaram had told them to stop the stone pelting before he would listen to their grievances; but Sushma Swaraj encouraged them to speak freely of Azadi â so what if it amounted to secession and treason? It would be premature to say how far the stone pelters will go with their agenda. But BJP has come a long way from the days when its leaders would give up their lives in the service of the nation. The author is Chair Professor, Gulab Singh Chair, Jammu University, Jammu |
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